Global Warming and Hurricanes

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  1. wpmisport

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  2. stickman1978

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    Great places to visit but wouldn't want to live there.
     
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    There are a lot of if's, and's, but's, maybe's, probability's, could be's in that report. The bottom line is that there is no consensus among the experts.
    I vote for cyclical events impacted slightly by global warming cycles. Sure, the worlds pollution has an impact but a small impact. Haven't heard much about that ozone layer deteriorating, maybe it's not the hot topic now.
    We need to take prudent care of our environment, reduce our emissions but not go crazy in getting it done today. The global warming advocates don't like to hear it but the US and most developed countries have made great strides in reducing emissions. The auto industry for example. China , Russia and India are another story.
     
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    Impressed by how you got every single thing wrong. That takes talent. Do some reading, friend.

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    It was not that long ago that we had a similar year with a lot of storms. Then we went into one of the longest "hurricane droughts" after that in modern times.

    There is nothing new under the sun. This has happened before, it will happen again. There will be years with few storms, years when they are small, and the opposite. We know that from history, going back thousands of years. The records are there.
     
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    Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851-Present
    Rank Year Number of Hurricanes
    1. 2005 15
    2. 2010 12
    3. 1969 12
    4. 1887 11
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    The Most Active Hurricane Seasons - Weather Underground
    www.wunderground.com › hurricane › articles › most-act...


    Search for: What year had the most hurricanes in the United States?
    How many hurricanes happened in 2020?
    2020 Atlantic hurricane season
    Hurricanes
    5
    Major hurricanes (Cat. 3+) 1
    Total fatalities 117 total
    Total damage > $14.67 billion (2020 USD)
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    2020 Atlantic hurricane season - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org › wiki › 2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season


    Search for: How many hurricanes happened in 2020?
    What was the worst hurricane in the last 10 years?


    What is the busiest hurricane month?
     
  7. Johnnydeerhunt

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    I'm not sure that this is the conclusion I would draw looking at what both you and Thirty Pointer posted. It looks like out of about 170 years of hurricanes, over half of the 20 most intense were in the past 20 years. It looks like there is likely an increase in storms and maybe some heightened volatility. On top of that, warming oceans would logically lead to more hurricanes.
     
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    Who's writing should he read? East Anglia University's climate research, of which they were caught red handed cooking the data?
    Or perhaps a study from some scientist, who's sole income comes from government grants, that wants to keep his job?
     
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    An issue that gets often overlooked when comparing weather data from 100 or even 170 years ago and today is the fact that we have incredibly more and better equipment today to quantify every atmospheric observation. We’ve only had radar equipment outside of a laboratory setting since WW2, and that was still incredibly crude at the time. We are able today to detect storms that form out in the middle of the ocean, pinpoint by wind speed measurements when a tropical depression turns into a tropical storm, and then various categories of hurricane if it continues to strengthen. That didn’t exist at all back in the 1800s. Unless a storm made a direct hit on land, it may as well have never existed. Wind speeds would largely be guess from the scale of damage, not precise measurement like today.

    Extending this to even things like temperature measurements, there is so much more information being collected in real time in real places today. 100 years ago if you wanted an official temperature measurement, someone had to look at a thermometer and record it. If we are talking about a record high or record low value, on the coldest or hottest days of the year I doubt someone had a staring contest with a thermometer to find the absolute high or low. But we do that today electronically in millions of locations around the globe.

    When looking at any historical climate data, looking back more than 50 or 60 years, the picture is fuzzy. The picture today is crisp. That doesn’t mean the old data is wrong, but it does mean the error bands around the data are a lot wider than the error bands we have with today’s data.
     
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    Please tell me what articles I should read? Those peer reviewed articles that promote global warming or those that debunk it. Moderation in everything is good. I'm a moderate!
     
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    Well... since the former exist, and the latter largely do not (please Ged don't try and pull out Mann's "hockey stick) - it's pretty easy.

    You should read the peer reviewed articles on climatology published in journals whose subject is climate, and written by scientists with a background in climate.

    You should stay away from the ones written by economists, or published by the like of Steve Bannon's Rule of Law Society & Rule of Law Foundation.
     
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    This issue is politicized. Nice work around about the political rules with the Bannon shot. But there are two sets of rules, aren't there?
    So very clever.
    The tell is no emission restrictions on China and India. If the crisis was real, they'd be restricted too, no?
     
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    Just watched a documentary about an extremely large volcano eruption back in the 1800's that was previously unknown to history.
    They discovered it in ice cores, they deduced from later inspecting growth rings etc, that ash from it hit the stratosphere, stayed there, and changed the weather patterns world wide for over 2 years afterward. Sun blockage, Tsunami's, heavy rains from the particulates.
     
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    There are real climate journals publishing real science by real qualified scientists.
    There are politically driven think tanks publishing bunk politicized science written by people completely lacking qualifications.



    China has emissions restrictions (China 5 transitioning to China 6). India has emissions restrictions (Bharat stage emission standards).

    No.

    Humans generally aren't all that forward looking.

    Easter Islanders kept cutting down trees to transport Moai until they made the island basically uninhabitable.