Gentry Quiet Brake or forward muzzle brakes on 450 BM anyone try?

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  1. Bobby072

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    I pulled the brake off my Ruger Scout because it was too loud and had rearward blast.

    I would not mind some recoil reduction but not at that price of the crazy blast.

    I'm looking at something that dampens some recoil but is no louder (or less) than with the brake off.
    Anyone have any experience with these?

    Gentry Quiet Brake
    https://gentrycustom.com/Products/QuietMuzzleBrake/tabid/6359/Default.aspx

    KVP Linear Comp
    https://www.kawvalleyprecision.com/KVP-Linear-Compensator-p/kvp-linear-blk.htm

    Freedom Machine Werks TAMR GEN2 Linear Compensator
    https://www.freedommachinewerks.com/p/freedom-machine-werks-tamr-gen2-linear-compensator

    https://tromix.com/product/linear-compensator-muzzle-brake/

    LOL check out the "is there a warranty" in the faq section of trimix. Its a variable based on how you act. Cracked me up.
    https://tromix.com/faqs/
     
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  2. Ken

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    I have a TAMR on a 16" Ruger.
    Last year I had a Beast brake on it from www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com. That brake was incredibly effective on recoil but pure hell for blast and noise.
    Shot the TAMR this spring without ear protection and it isn't uncomfortable noise level at all. The recoil reduction is not as good, but I will take that tradeoff.
    I thought it might affect accuracy but it does not hurt accuracy a bit.
     

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    Thanks Ken

    Recoil of No brake vs TAMR?
    Sound of no brake vs TAMR?

    One has to be careful he does not chase tail and end up with something that is the same as no brake at all. For free I have less sound (no brake) and a little more recoil vs stock brake.
    I did not feel the stock brake cut all that much recoil but did increase sound 10x.

    I just saw a unnamed video of a guy shooting that TAMR with no ear muffs. Is that you?
     
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    Nope, that is an AR 450. You won't see me with one. Lol.
    I have not shot mine without anything on it, so not sure the comparison.
    The TAMR adds length to the barrel and also directs sound forward. As well as adding some weight up front
     
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    That has to cut some loudness. Would you say it cuts some recoil?
     
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    I would think it would have to. There are ports inside it like a brake, then it goes into that chamber and redirects forward. It almost seems like it would push the gun back more, but I guess once the gas gets in that expansion chamber it loses energy.
    Those brakes are really big with the night time predator hunters. Not sure why. Small calibers that they use such as 6.5 Creed don't have much recoil. So, they must be doing it for the sound benefits.

    I currently have a Boyds stock on my 450. I will probably switch back to the factory stock for the regular season. I got the stock just to switch things up a bit. I bedded the V blocks, pillar bedded it, and got metal bottom metal parts instead of the plastic Boyds sends with it. I have not had any problems with splitting or wear. I messed up when I ordered. Ordered with a standard LOP and a Kick Eeze 1" pad instead of the factory 1/2". I assumed that would change the LOP, but it didn't. My mistake. And the pad they sent was not even 1". It was a contoured trap type pad, and maybe 1" at the top including the base plate. So, I switched it to an 1 3/8" Kick Eeze. That got the LOP exact where I wanted it, and made a much better pad.

    The factory stock, I had camo dipped, put a Limbsaver pad on it, and filled the voids in the butt and barrel channel with silicone. That added weight and took away the hollow plastic feel. I like that for the main season because it is a bit more weather proof than even the laminate Boyds.
    It is 8# 14 oz. with the Boyds, and 8# 12 oz. with the factory stock
     
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  7. Bobby072

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    All those gases are moving forward fast like the bullet. When they hit those ports it goes from full speed to much slower which jerks the barrel forward.
    So you get the recoil from the initial shot then milliseconds later that gas hits the ports which jerks the end of the barrel forward. Its putting the brakes on the gas.
    If that break were not threaded on, it would go flying off like a secondary bullet.

    Its not a cheap one $125.00 so I'm sort of hesitant to try more toys that don't work as hoped. So you were able to shoot it without your plugs on and it was not horrible?
     
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    Just got off the phone with Freedom Machine Werks. Steve is a nice dude. They have a new one for the 450BM coming out in a few weeks getting one of those.
     
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    Yeah, he is the one I talked to when I got mine. He even Cerakoted it to match my gun, which saved me from having to send it somewhere else.
    What is the new one they are coming out with? I will try to check their site and see if they show anything on it
     
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    Yeah, I understand how a normal brake works in the that regard, but at the same time, this again is redirecting the gas forward, which you would think would cause some rearward thrust as well. But, maybe by that time, the gas energy is used up somewhat.

    I shot the gun in a bean field, and it was not bad at all for noise. Probably will be even less in the woods shooting down from a stand.
     
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    Its not on their site. I don't think its even advertised yet.

    They refined it some to reduce weight. On some lighter .223s it was a bit heaver on the pencil barrels which in some cases messed with the barrel harmonics. Was not really an issue on 450MBs with short barrels but they reduced the weight on that too. Its no better than the one you have, you said your point of impact and accuracy was fine.

    In some cases the accuracy improves. That is just luck though, just happened to tune the harmonics of a poor shooting gun to move the node towards the barrels end. Similar to how rubber barrel tuning donuts work.

    Its mostly the long pencil barrels that can be affected. Stubby 16" barrels were never an issue. I almost got the current one as its in stock but decided to wait the extra 3-4 weeks on the new one. I think its 2oz lighter. Old one 10oz? new 8oz? I can't remember what yours weighs, I think he said 10.
     
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    Sounds good. Wonder if they will offer both options? The first gen was stainless. They did a closeout on those just before I ordered mine. They were gone or I would have ordered one.
    Can't remember the weight. It doesn't negatively affect the balance or handling other than adding length. Weight is a good thing especially on the Americans
     
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    They will probably do what they did the first time. Get rid of current stock maybe at a discount, it did not sound like they will offer both, sounded like a phase out. But its not a huge difference.
     
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    Makes sense. So, a "Gen III"