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Discussion in 'Whitetail Deer Disease' started by Tom Morang, Aug 25, 2008.
I got 600 acres down here too Wildcoy.
Which Task Force???
I wouldn't be too hard on the DNR, or any governmental body with involvement with a 'CWD task force' for not being more 'proactive'.
It is government. A necessity despite the rantings of the right. And as government there is a built-in intertia to making dramatic changes that are sure to stir one portion or another of the governed. That, in itself, is not a bad thing.
In this case, sure-to-be vocal constituencies --game farmers, commercial bait raisers & sellers, bait users -- would howl long & loudly if government steps had been more assertively initiated to restrict their activities. That is the way our world works. Get used to it. ........ There will be a loud constituency screaming for blood no matter which way a government body decides an issue. That explains much of the inertia. Again, that is the way our world works.
But now we have a game changer. The boogeyman really is here. May not be as fearsome as feared (after all it wasn't found, yet, in the free-range)....but it is here and the government (pick which branch) now has the incident that provides the legitimate catalyst for enacting and enforcing prohibitions.
We all have a seat to watch a fascinating exercise in how government ---and the governed ----interact on a live-wire issue that stirs great passion.
Presidential election, party conventions, etc. are big news today. It is democratic government at work. However, all that is so big that we little guys may feel like we are just in the very high seats a long ways away from the game.
But now, us deer hobbyist have an immediate up front seat on a democratic government addressing an issue of great concern to us. We are very close to this game.
Go find in one of these recent 'CWD' threads a post by the poster Munster. He offers, probably tongue-in-cheek, a skeptics' view of the anticipated play-by-play. Use his playbill as a reference point to see how it plays out. I'm not saying his post is right.....only that it serves as a comparative for the actions that we are about to witness. It may be dead-on right or perhaps dead*ss wrong....but it can serve as a worst case measure.
I pray you're wrong, I suspect you're right.
Just when I was considering leaving this forum I'm reeled back in.
How long has the CWD been in Wisconsin? Aren't they still shooting record numbers of deer every year including an increasingly large number of Pope & Young bucks? What about Wyoming and other western states that have had the CWD for along time now? Michiganders still flock to those western states every year to take advantage of those western herds that have been diagnosed for quite sometime. I don't understand what the uproar is over a caged deer that is sick? What is to stop these deer from eating off of the same corn cob, or using the same licking branch during the rut? We have to many deer! No baiting! No crossbows! No youth season! No EAS! How many different complaints can we come up with to divide us against other hunters.
Can deer pass CWD through sexual intercourse? If that is the case we'd better get some buck rubbers or we're going to lose all of the dominant shooter bucks and fertile does!!
Food plots get alot of action from the same deer also, better till them up I guess?? Same area of feeding, same soil right?
You can check out - but you can never leave
Glad you hung around 8)
It was a task force chaired by Bill Moritz before he resigned from the DNR. (Good move, I think he saw the writing on the wall)
Anyhow, we were invited to discuss the potential problems with captive cervid operations and how to deal with current problems such as repeat violation offendors in the industry, tagging operations, fence issues etc etc. It was put together in an attempt to try and stop future outbreaks of disease and increase the oversite on non-compliant cervid operations.
Anyhow, early on I came to the conclution that it was all nothing but a dog and pony show set up to reasure some groups, appease others and give the appearance of due diligence in the process. In another words, nothing was going to come out of this "task force" other than a little "smoke". I spoke with Bill Moritz about my feelings (By the way, I had and have a great deal of respect for Bill) and decided these meetings, held in Lansing were going to be a waste of time. (He did not disagree) It was a big political think tank where all views eventualy were broomed into a big black hole. Nothing was going to come out of it as a result and nothing consequential did.
MUCC was there, Department of Ag, DNR biologists (nobody from the NRC as I recall ) and reps from a lot of different groups. I quit going after it became clear it was much ado about nothing. (The problems discussed were real however, but we were not there to "solve" future problems just agree that they exist ... study in futility 101)
BUCK RUBBERs----Now that ifs funnyI'm dying thinking of that. I wonder who is gonna show the first couple of bucks how to use them.
Ok - let's not get off track here - while that's funny - this is no laughing matter - and, as others have said - should be a time when we get 'real' about the future -
Let's ALL pray it is confined to inside that fence and stays there.
Wecome back Pinefarm.
Now is definitely the time to unite as sportsmen and hunters. If there ever was a time to do so it is NOW! The no-baiting ban MUST be dutifully enforced if we are to steer this ship down the right course. We cannot afford to let this spread to our free-range herd. Those who would consider a self-imposed policy of enforcement of the baiting ban must step up to the plate and volunteer to police our own on this matter. It's not a pretty picture, but it must be done if we are to have deer hunting in the future. We must unite to prevent this horrible disease from spreading. I am calling all sportsmen and stewards of conservation to come together to end the blatant baiting practices which are occurring in this state. Let's put an end to it here and now.
Ban on baiting is in effect...
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Aug. 26, 2008
Contact: Mary Dettloff 517-335-3014
DNR Acts to Implement CWD Surveillance and Response Plan
In the wake of Mondays announcement that Chronic Wasting Disease
(CWD) has been confirmed in a three-year old privately-owned
white-tailed deer in Kent County, the Michigan Department of Natural
Resources is acting immediately to implement provisions of the states
Surveillance and Response Plan for CWD.
Among the provisions is an immediate ban on all baiting and feeding of
deer and elk in the Lower Peninsula. DNR conservation officers will step
up surveillance and enforcement efforts on baiting. Baiting and feeding
unnaturally congregate deer into close contact, thus increasing the
transmission of contagious diseases such as CWD and bovine tuberculosis.
Bait and feed sites increase the likelihood that those areas will
become contaminated with the feces of infected animals, making them a
source of CWD infection for years to come.
Additionally, the provisions include a mandatory deer check for hunters
who take a deer within Tyrone, Solon, Nelson, Sparta, Algoma, Courtland,
Alpine, Plainfield, and Cannon townships, which contain the surveillance
area or hot zone. All hunters who take a deer during any deer
hunting season this fall within the hot zone will be required to
visit a DNR deer check station so that their deer can be tested for CWD.
The DNR currently is seeking locations for additional deer check
stations in the area to make it more convenient for hunters. To prevent
unintentional spread of CWD, the only parts of deer harvested in the
surveillance zone that will be allowed to be transported out will be
boned meat, capes, and antlers cleaned of all soft tissues.
In addition, all transport of live wild deer, elk and moose will be
prohibited statewide, including transport for rehabilitation purposes.
Currently, there is no live animal test for CWD, and infected animals
often show no signs of illness for years in spite of being infectious
for other animals. Movement for rehabilitation purposes may speed
geographic spread of the disease.
The DNR will act immediately to test an additional 300 deer within the
hot zone in Kent County. The DNR will be cooperating with local
officials to collect fresh road-killed deer, and will be urging deer
hunters participating in the early antlerless season on private land in
September to comply with the mandatory deer check.
Landowners in Kent County hot zone who would like to obtain
disease control permits to cull deer from their property and assist with
the collection of deer for testing should contact the DNRs Wildlife
Disease Lab at 517-336-5030. Permits will be available immediately upon
request. Landowners who do not want to cull deer, but want to
participate in the collection of deer for testing, can obtain assistance
from the DNR in culling deer.
DNR officials reminded citizens that, to date, there is no evidence
that CWD poses a risk to humans, nor has there been verified evidence
that the disease can be transmitted to humans.
CWD is a fatal neurological disease that affects deer, elk and moose.
Most cases of the disease have been in western states, but in the past
several years, it has spread to Midwestern and eastern states. Infected
animals display abnormal behaviors, loss of bodily functions and a
progressive weight loss. Current evidence suggests that the disease is
transmitted through infectious, self-multiplying proteins (prions).
Prions are normal cell proteins whose shape has been transformed,
causing CWD. The disease is transmitted by exposure to saliva of
infected animals. Susceptible animals can also acquire CWD by eating
feces from an infected animal, or soil contaminated by them. Once
contaminated, soil can remain a source of infection for many years,
making CWD a particularly difficult disease to manage.
More information about CWD is available on the State of Michigans
Emerging Diseases Web site at www.michigan.gov/chronicwastingdisease.
The DNR is committed to the conservation, protection, use and enjoyment
of the states natural resources for current and future generations.
As I said in another post, once the DNR has posted a memo stating that they have captured, killed and disposed of every deer in the high fence operations and abolished the high fence hunting practices in Michigan I will gladly walk out behind my home and attempt to dig up my mineral hole!! Until that memo comes out I think this entire discussion is a scam!!
In life you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Your choice.