I can cast my center pin 40 yards all though it took some practice and experiementing to get what sytle, weight, and launch angle to toss it at. Float rods are a lot lighter than spey rods......at least the ones I use and I own both. The tapers are so different and as mentioned wall thickness also. I tend to like a stiffer than average rod even for running 6lb leaders with my pin. But after building many float rods and a few spey rods. I have come to the conclusion that the ultimate float rod would be a 9 weight butt section, an 8 weight butt section and a fast action 6 weight tip. Cedar Rods in Bath has come up with one that is close but still more of a spey feel than a float feel to the rod.