Ralf, Quit crying about your maladies or I'll start taking up a collection for you and then I won't have time to go fishing. Since I am always willing to help a fellow out, maybe you will help me out. I think we should try to get the DNR to plant tarpon in the Grand River. I mean they are one of the greatest fighters in the world. Another good reason is because they are big enough to eat all the suckers and carp and don't mind the warm water. If you don't like that idea, perhaps we can get them to plant brook trout in the Rouge River as it is cold enough most of the year. I believe there are a few feeders there too. Anyway, I was just hoping you were a good sportsman and wanted to help a fellow out. Since you mentioned the Little Manistee, yesterday when I looked out my window I saw a fresh steelhead bed with about 6 fish on it. Since it is the river the provides all the steelhead maybe we should lobby the DNR to close it to fishing for just property owners and their guests. Not trying to highjack this thread, but I was just thinking. Amen!