Baiting proposed during disabled hunt.

Discussion in 'Whitetail Deer Disease' started by Waif, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. Waif

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    QUOTE="the g1, post: 6786553, member: 48612"]Holy smokes what? Are the game laws based on science or emotion? If a baiting ban is the answer to slowing the spread than why would anyone get an exception?[/QUOTE]

    For one ,to up the odds of killing deer (if killing deer is the answer to slowing the spread) from an accessible location..
    Why do sharpshooters employ it?

    Secondly to increase mobility of deer to less mobile hunters.

    Thirdly ,because the state allows exceptions for the disabled.

    Science can show a lack of mobility affects rage and effectiveness of terrain negotiation and deer encounters ,shooting , and recoveries. But do you really need science to tell you?
    If so ,try hunting without walking your next time out. Then ask science about your experience.
    Then without using your arms to shoot the next time. Ask science after if bait would affect anything.
    Do you understand some hunters want to hunt , but are off-put by logistics you don't face?
    See if any exception applied might affect your participation after hunting with the restriction of a disability as defined by the D.N.R.. Even without science having to tell you what laws are, or should be ; in play. Science might hint at the physical laws that limit mobility ,but good luck comprehending the effect without it being you involved.

    Having hunted with hunters that had major challenges in getting around ,let alone shooting without time and effort beyond the "norm"( for example it takes more time using a lead sled ,and or mouth operated trigger device when accuracy is the goal.) I am well aware of why some one might prefer some bait in a strategic position.
    Staying home seems more logical than trying to kill a deer ,but some folks are convinced they want to hunt. Somehow.

    Depending on options ,not all disabled hunters use bait.
    If you want to host one or more on your land you can insist on no bait and save the deer from your perceived threat by exception allowing baiting being proposed.
    Do try to work with their limitations ,and put them on deer in a position allowing a patient shot at least once.
    Otherwise , enjoy your mobility. Realize it is not the reason you are allowed to hunt though....
     
  2. otcarcher

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    I absolutely hate baiting, but have zero problem with disabled hunters using it.
     

  3. feedinggrounds

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    Even if a CWD positive deer may use this special exception use of bait? And spread disease. I am pro baiting, but if this is allowed I then think the whole bait ban proposal is a "see we did something" action, to appease someone or a group and a agenda. I bet and predict a major fight yet to be had. Politicians will be involved, mostly due to MDNR needing to find money, as income from deer hunting will drop fast and costs will skyrocket. State politicians will put deer issues behind water for Flint, roads, and such, this is the "rock and hard spot" for the MDNR. Time will tell.
     
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  4. hommer23

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    Even if a CWD positive deer may use this special exception use of bait?

    Care to explain the difference between a legal bait pile and the apple tree planted by someone near a tree stand?

    I never have understood how a person can be against bait yet go out and plant a food plot, afterall the main purpose of a food plot is to draw deer in. If a hunter puts out a legal bait pile he is only going to draw deer in to the bait, as long as the bait lasts then they are going back to the natural food source for the other 8.5 months or longer, up to 355 days. With food plots deer can feed all year in the same 100’x100’ area or 1/2 acre area or more. The food source is there from spring through early winter so transient deer can feed increasing the odds of spread of CWD. To me there is as much or more chance of spreading CWD from food plots as a bait pile, so let’s ban food plots that are not for human consumption or use.

    Just because you call it a food plot instead of a bait plot or kill plot don’t mean it’s any different than a bait pile or a kill pile.

    When I hear or read people will need to learn how to hunt again without bait, I think how will people hunt without planting rape or beets...... to hold the deer in their area.

    Yes I am a disabled hunter.
     
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  5. Nostromo

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    Special Exception Use. Have heard this term used a lot lately. Mostly for over looking standards in communities. So, I guess it fits here. Truly a baiting ban has little to do with science anyway. So with the goals being getting a disabled hunter out to hunt, and killing deer. It's not a bad way to go. Certainly if a deer has CWD it's out there spreading it anyway. No matter what it's feeding on.

    I'd like to hear what the disabled hunters think about this.
     
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  6. swampbuck

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    I completely agree, hypocrisy at it's finest.

    Feedingrounds alluded to the possibility of the legisture getting in the game. Things like this may be a good way to draw them in.
     
  7. stickbow shooter

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    What is wrong with a disabled person hunting over 2 gal. of bait. ? I for one am just happy to see they can still get out hunting or still have the desire too. If it ups there odds of seeing or getting a deer, great.
     
  8. ART

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    So if you hate it so much, don't do it....there are things I hate too, but don't force others to unwillingly share it.
     
  9. jr28schalm

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    I have a feeling its the healthy baiters that have the biggest issue with this.I know one thing my corn spreader piles the deer crap up like no plot i have
     
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    Yep, I agree. I would love to see someone who is against this part of the proposal tell a disabled Military Vet he shouldn't bait .
     
  11. jr28schalm

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    They will only online.lol
     
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  12. swampbuck

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    I have no problem with special regs for special hunts. I was referring to a baiting ban while ignoring other risks

    Is the threat level any different between these two photos Screenshot_20171129-092003.jpg IMG_20171129_092344.jpg
     
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    You would get ticket for top pic
     
  14. swampbuck

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    So there is a difference in legality.

    But isn't there some hypocrisy in the claim that the top is a threat to the deer herd, but the bottom isn't.....that the bottom pic represents stewards of the deer herd, while the top represents low life baiters.

    That needs to be addressed. If not by the NRC, then the legislature should be encouraged to do so.

    IMG_20171129_093413.jpg Screenshot_20171129-093127.jpg
     
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    There is corn in the bottom pic :)
     
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