Shot a nice buck on Nov 15th last year and typically shoot 1-3 does during the late gun season. This is on private land. I started off hunting public land in Leelanau County in the late 80s and 90s. 1st year hunting, a guy stole my 6pt that I shot, then I missed an 8pt. Hell of a 1st year, then it went downhill from there. Didn't even see a buck the next 10 years on public. No doe tags back then either. I only hunted 3 days/yr back then. Once I started buying my own hunting land, things changed. Once I started managing, passing smaller deer, and doing food plots, it changed even more. Those of us fortunate enough to own property are living the American dream!