Cereal Rye, Winter Rye, Fall Rye Grain

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  1. I did about 6 acres (4 diff. plots) of dbltree's rye, clover, awp, etc. plots and if you haven't done it you must. Was fortunate to kill a 184 5/8's inch buck in iowa going to a rye plot and i feel it is a key difference compared to all my neighbors. Thanks as always Dbltree for your advice!

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  2. Thanks Corey! :)

    Winter rye really takes off early in the spring! :SHOCKED::D

    This is October planted WR on April 17th


    This field has winter rye planted on left and right and winter tritical in the center. Saturday morning my son and I were hunting turkeys and watched a couple dozen deer feeding all over the field with no apparant preference for either WR or WT.


    There is Falcata alfalfa and red clover planted around the edge of the WR/WT plot but deer fed in all of it and that is a very clear testament to the palatability of winter rye.


    This pic just shows the various strips of alfalfa, clover, winter rye, tilled brassica plots now in annual clover all of which eventually get rotated.:cool:


    I would add also that deer have been grazing ALL of these food sources and not seeking out any one type of clover, alfalfa, rye triticale or anything else even though they could easily do so.

    Some of those will soon be in sugar beets, long season brassicas, milo and soybeans...not that everyone need plant all of those things but strips of crops ensure we have year around food sources that hold whitetails and a means of easily rotating crops and still plant all types and combinations..... ;)

  3. Double tree

    Need some advice. I have a 2 acre field planted last fall at @ 120# per acre mixed equally(one third) of oats wheat and rye mix. Wheat and rye are starting to grow this spring and are around 2-4" high. My plan was to plow down and plant an alfalfa oat spring planting. My concern after reading your post is of the alleopathic effect that the rye may have on the Alfalfa germination. Would it be safe to plant or too risky??:confused: Wasnt aware or the ryes alleopathic properties when I planted the mix last fall. I thought the alleopathic properties where more of a factor if you let it mature and then plowed down but it appears these properties may be stronger when rye plants are tillering????? At this time the rye should represent @ 40# per acre rye population.

    If I plowed it down now and left it fallow for 30 days would that help me any?? If too risky I, my alternate plan is too plant buckwheat may20th and plow down and fall seed the alfalfa. location is NE Michigan. What do ya think????

    Ps. your posts are great, and very informative!

  4. I have never had a problem with either clover or alfalfa seeds germinating in tilled rye but to be safe I would kill it soon before it does get to mature.

    Just disc it under (or whatever tillage mean you have) and if possible wait a week before re-tilling and seeding.

    Brassicas seem to have a stonger allelopathic affect on clover/alfalfa seeds then does rye so I really doubt you will have a problem.

    Fall seeding clovers and alfalfas work so much better that I hardly ever spring seed anymore, so following the rye with buckwheat and sowing later is really an even better option.

    Alfalfa needs a bare minimum of 6 weeks before frosts in the fall so I shoot for mid to late August in my area to make sure it has established a root system and reserves before winter.

    In areas were hard frosts can come in mid September then mid to late July is better to summer seed alfalfa. Summer/fall seedings skip all the weed problems that come with spring seedings so consider that when you decide what might work best for you....:)
  5. Dbltree

    Thanks for the advice. keep up the great work , you are a wealth of knowledge to many here!
  6. Thanks friend!

    I have went thru 5 cameras in 3 years and I can see a 6th will soon be required... but here's a shot of winter rye on 4-29


    Now if you planted red clover (or white) last fall with your winter rye planting the clovers should be coming on strong at a time when the rye has out lived it's usefullness.

    Alta Swede Mamouth Red Clover


    Alice White Clover


    Now is the time to go ahead and clip the winter rye off leaving the lush clovers behind to both feed deer and fix nitrogen thru the summer until they may either be tilled under for a heavy nitrogen user like brassicas or perhaps left in clover for several years.

    If you planted rye alone then now is the time to till it under and plant a nitogen fixing legume such as annual clovers or perhaps chickling vetch.
    This rye was planted in October to late to add clovers but this gives you an idea of the height


    It tills under easily at this point and one pass is all that is needed to effectively kill the rye and prepare for the next planting but discing a couple times will also do the trick


    Notice how clean the rye is with nary a weed to be found and unlike winter wheat, rye does not tiller as bad leaving plenty of space for clovers or peas to grow.


    I already have annual clovers like berseem and crimson planted in my spent brassica plots so I planted chickling vetch in the tilled rye plots.


    I added pea and vetch inoculant (be careful to store in a cooler while working in the field)

    Easier to mix in a bucket but I often do it in the planting bag adding just a drop of water to moisten the seed


    A view of the strip plots this time of year...the rye turned under planted to vetch will be again turned under in July for brassicas but in the meantime the chickling vetch will have fixed upwards of 200#'s of nitrogen to lower my urea bill


    The annual clovers planted in the spent brassica plots will be tilled under this fall for another crop of winter rye, peas, forage radish and red clover...so the cycle of rotating crops continues. Doing so keeps my soils and crops healthy, lowers my fertilizer and herbicide needs and feed whitetails year around....can't beat that with a stick!

    Welter seed has a complete line of all the seeds involved in thiese plantings but always check your local Co-Op as well.
  7. I'm am using simazine as a residual herbicide in a corn plot. I would like to broadcast rye or rye and clover into the corn around Sept 1. Does simazine effect rye? How long does the residual effect last? I sprayed yesterday. thanks!
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  8. Yes simazine would affect winter rye but depending on rates applied and soil type it may not be a problem by September....;)
  9. Dbltree..I planted an Acre plot of buckwheat last week, its coming up great but I am worried about any kind of frost...will a slight frost kill the buckwheat out?
    Thanks for the input..
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  10. qdmaer

    qdmaer Banned

    Slammer buckwheat will die out once it flowers anyway which is very short growing season, i think winter rye in that plot will be deadly cause you have corn and beans all around you. Turnips could be a hot item for you also, just give them something different and then i will come up there and give them something different by putting an arrow in em.:lol:
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  11. Slammer,

    It is too early for BW. The lightest frost will wipe it out. I always wait until Labor Day or later.
  12. *****balls...
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  13. Well I guess ill hope for some warm nights...thanks...
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  14. Buckwheat is a warm weather crop so always wait til ALL danger of frost is past before planting. It's a great summer green manure crop to suffucate weeds and then to till under for the next crop but it's really not a great choice for fall.

    As mentioned the first frost will kill it dead as a door nail so fall cereals are better choices at that time.

    Goodluck with yours, hopefully we won't get any more killing frosts! :)
  15. bucksnbows

    bucksnbows Banned

    Is Buckwheat a good crop for a first planting of a food plot during the spring/summer and then till it under to plant WR for the fall. By the way these are going to be newly established food plots. I will be spraying them to kill the weeds on Friday.

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