cross bow

[cookie]

New to the site, was wondering if any of you fellow archers have any info on obtaining a cross bow permit? Slipped on the ice on LSC in feb. and had a month of rehab for a torn rotator cup. Pulled the bow out this weekend to start practicing and could not draw it back. any help would be appreciated.

[PrtyMolusk]

Howdy, cookie-

This should get you close....

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...63---S,00.html

Sorry to hear of your injury; hope it heals soon!

[Trushot_Archer]

A hunter with a disability applying for a crossbow permit must have at least 80 percent permanent disability, in combination or individual impairment, of a hand, elbow or shoulder. The disability may be the result of amputation or other injury or disability.

Don't know if that applies to you or not. Bummer if not. My buddy broke his arm in 7 places from the elbow to the wrist and tried to no avail. Hopefully he'll heal but I don't see it happening this year.

You could always draw with your teeth.

Good luck.

[Uzarious]

Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Still, it might be the best thing that ever happened to ya, as hunting deer with a crossbow is a truly enjoyable sport.
When I applied for my permit 7 years ago, It was required for me to be examined/evaluated by a licensed physical therapist and then, the results validated by a physician. I think the same requirements are still in force.

I have a progressive muscular & joint disorder, which, if it were not for this special permit, I would not be able to archery hunt whatsoever, then and now. IMHO, Michigan is way "off target" with its archaic mentality surrounding hunting with crossbows, compared to other States that allow their use on a more liberal/general basis, medical conditions, notwithstanding.

My solution: keep the law as it currently stands, but allow any person over the age of 50 the option of hunting with a crossbow if they so choose.

[GVDocHoliday]

Draw with your teeth like mentioned before. Get a 50# bow, have a bite tab sewed up out of a nylong strap and tie it on to the string with a string loop and get to practicing. With these new age bows and harsh draw cams I know it's only a matter of time before I have shoulder problems and need to resort to this...and even though I've dropped my draw weight down to 60 I know that with all the shooting I do(upwards of 2 hours a night) that I'll be using the bite-tab method when I can no longer draw a bow back.

Anyone over the age of 50? Get serious ...if they did that make the age 60. I don't see why anyone would want to shoot a crossbow during archery season anyways...I haven't meet anyone who can out shoot me and my bow with a crossbow, and many have tried. Crossbows are loud, they're clunky and require heavy lifting. I feel Michigan should stay conservative with their allowance of crossbow permits, because they know if they allow crossbows to anyone, then the woods would be full with a bunch of converted rifle hunters who are just looking to extend "their" season.

[One Eye]

First let me say good for you that you are still able to get out and hunt. I fully support the current regulations as they deal with "permanent" disabilities and the use of crossbows. They are very reasonable. But. . . . .

Originally Posted by Uzarious

My solution: keep the law as it currently stands, but allow any person over the age of 50 the option of hunting with a crossbow if they so choose.

Why not just eliminate the archery season altogether and have a 3 month general weapons season How about crossbows for those who are color blind, or vertically challenged, or simply not too bright?? (Please note my obvious sarcasm).

Bottom line. There are things that you will not be able to physically do when you get older. I will shoot a bow as long as I can, and then I will hunt with guns. Nature is unfair, get over it.

Dan

[kbkrause]

I think cookie was looking on some permit info, not a comentary on crossbow usage...

[One Eye]

Yep, you are right. Feel free to delete my commentary on crossbow usage. After all, I was only responding to a previous post on the actual topic at hand. Not sure what came over me to actually discuss the topic of the thread and its related posts.

Dan

[Eclipse]

You are SOL!

They changed the rules on obtaining a crossbow permit about two years ago. Under the old rule you needed a doctors signature and/or

1. Type A or B disability requireing 80% PERMANENT disability (Doctor Signature again)

or

2. Type C,D,E,F, G disability (Physical Theripist signature). Which is where you fall under the old rules.

Now the rule states

2. Type C,D,E,F,G disabilities must also be 80% PERMANENT disability signed by a physical therapist. This means you must only have 20% usage or less in any area (shoulder, arm, wrist, etc.) Crap you must practically be paralized before you can get one. No physical therapist will risk their licens to sign the form unless you are an amputee.

So anyway, you are out of luck my friend. Better do more workout with the therabands.

[Uzarious]

Quote:
Anyone over the age of 50? Get serious ...if they did that make the age 60. I don't see why anyone would want to shoot a crossbow during archery season anyways...I haven't meet anyone who can out shoot me and my bow with a crossbow, and many have tried. Crossbows are loud, they're clunky and require heavy lifting. I feel Michigan should stay conservative with their allowance of crossbow permits, because they know if they allow crossbows to anyone, then the woods would be full with a bunch of converted rifle hunters who are just looking to extend "their" season.[/QUOTE]

What kind of a selfish, egocentric, uniformed, and compassionless mind could conceive of such a comment? YUK!

[huntingfool43]

cookie
Here is a link to the page you are looking for.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...1954--,00.html

There was also a link I found about using a modified bow if you are unable to draw a bow, it holds the bow at full draw but can not turn the bow into a cross bow to be legal. Good luck, I had to switch to one 4 years ago, takes some getting use to but they are lots of fun to shoot.

[davidshane]

Knew when I read the original post that the conversation would end up here.

I have to agree with One Eye on this one. There is a small (very small) place for cross bows in this state. It's only my opinion, but I think they should be reserved for only the most handicaped hunters. There should also be much tighter regs that limit their capability; regs that keep them from approaching rifle type weapons.

I could never agree with the general use of a cross bow during archery season. Maybe during firearm, I'd have to think a little more about it. To the people who truely cannot hunt with a bow and can only enjoy archery type hunting if a cross bow is used, I apologize if I have offended you. I have personnally met too many guys who have tried to justify their use of a cross bow when all they really wanted was a more leathel weapon.

Just one mans .02 that ain't worth a dime.

[GVDocHoliday]

It's not selfish, or egocentric, it's the truth. The current crossbow restrictions are just as they should be...for the truly handicapped who are truly incapable of shooting a bow. It's my true opinion that those who are well able to shoot a bow and are pushing to use crossbows during archery season are just too lazy to learn how to tune a shoot a bow with ethical accuracy and in turn go for the one thing that most closely resembles a rifle both aiming and shooting wise. I also believe it's fact that the best tuned crossbow couldn't beat a moderatly tuned bow on any day at any range.

[Uzarious]

an industry, that is witnessing its own fraternal ranks dwindle by hundreds of thousands with each passing year, I find it truly amazing that those who yell "stay here" the loudest, are often, the same who yell "stay out" in the same breath.

Case in point....

• Quote: Anyone over the age of 50? Get serious [img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Bill/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/img]...if they did that make the age 60.
• Please support this statement with some sort of logic beyond "old people can do little harm" which, appears IMHO, to be your argument here.

• Quote: I don't see why anyone would want to shoot a crossbow during archery season anyways.
• OK, if you don't see it, could it be possible that someone else "sees it", or, since you don't, they can't??

• Quote: I haven't meet anyone who can out shoot me and my bow with a crossbow
• OK, good for you. But, what does that have to do with anything surrounding the use of a crossbow for the permanently handicapped and seniors. Here’s your blue ribbon! Stick with the issues and less machismo, pleeeeeze!

• Quote: Crossbows are loud, they're clunky and require heavy lifting.
• Categorically, untrue!

• Quote: I feel Michigan should stay conservative with their allowance of crossbow permits, because they know if they allow crossbows to anyone, then the woods would be full with a bunch of converted rifle hunters who are just looking to extend "their" season.
• "And that leaves more deer for me" (GVdocholiday). Parochial thinking at its worse!

[Pinefarm]

Closed. The original poster got his information and this old raw subject is going nowhere. Only a dozen replies into it and the personal attacks and pulling lines from previous posts and attacking those have started. Usually that doesn't start until around page 3 of a crossbow thread. If anyone wants to reminisce about crossbow fights, I'm sure a search of this site will offer lots of reading.