Deer slaughter................rebuttal!!!!

[ONURNEZ]

First, I'd like to thank everyone for their input to my original thread. I was amazed to see the passionate responces! I was also quite amazed to see some of the ignorant responces. (skibum) If you took the time to read the thread completely, you probably noticed that I was'nt BASHING anybody. My point in writing what I wrote was to profess MY passion for bow hunting. Just because I didnt like what I saw opening day does'nt mean I think gun hunting is immoral OR unethical. I, in fact, think it is a necessity. As far as looking "down" at gunhunters, that is a rediculous statement as well. As I originally stated, I have made it a point to be out there every opening day. Since I was 14 in fact! Bottom line is, I love to hunt. I think where some people were having a problem with what I wrote, is right here. If you had a deer fenced off in a pen, went out and shot it, would you consider that hunting? I wouldnt. When a farmer takes an animal in to be butchered, is that hunting? I don't think so. Are either of these situations any different than sitting on the edge of a field, knowing that its NOT a normal deer route, but also knowing that every year, fleeing deer cut through this area, then just blasting away at them when they do? Well, obviously it IS different. Sadly enough though (in my opinion) this is an accepted way of harvesting deer. My quiestion was, is it really HUNTING??? Maybe "slaughter" was a bit to strong of a word to use. I should have used "harvest." My appologies to anyone that was offended. That was not my intention. I personally know SEVERAL people that don't spend any time in the woods before opening day. Does that make them bums? No. Does that make their way wrong? No. I just have a different opinion. I know there are thousands of hunters that cant or dont get out prior to the opener. Frankly, I feel sorry for them. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of them would LOVE to be able to be out more than they are. Time constraints and resourses often dont allow it though. I have an opinion, and it's my right as an American to express it! Its called FREEDOM OF SPEECH! I was disappointed to see my original thread locked. THAT seams to be dangerously close to cencorship! I wasnt looking to divide ANY hunters. If you have an opinion on this topic, save the bashing for someone that deserves it and give me YOUR definition of hunting. I wont bash you for disagreeing! Good hunting all!

[Hunt4Ever]

Well said Trout!

[Huntnut]

Hey Onyourknees....did everyone miss that? LOL....Ok...how do you feel about deer hunting with dogs? How about crossbows? Don't get me wrong....I only bowhunt as well..but can you honestly say you've never blasted away at an escaping deer with a shotgun? Do you think we should limit #of shells allowed in the deer gun like we do waterfowl? How would you feel about gun hunting for deer being outlawed? You stuck your neck out with that first one...with that new stretched neck perspective...what do you see? What changes would you make if you were all powerful? BTW I also agree your thread should not have been locked. Opinions will ALWAYS differ...with hunting forums being relatively new....it is good to stretch our legs and talk issues....besides Skibum may be hunting that next blind over, I feel it is good to know how he feels....and to hell with the anti's...I refuse to walk upon eggshells in fears of what they might think. Say what you feel or don't say anything at all.
Huntnut

[bonasabuster]

LOL you only wished to express your passion for bowhunting ok the next time then write down the reasons and content that make this your passion. when you try to express passions or elavate your beliefs by putting down someone or something else you only prove your lack of intelligence or expression [look at politics today!].worth while passions will stand on there own!

[Coldwater Charters]

ONURNEZ, I think the main problem everyone had with the first post was a little finger pointing by you. One thing I have learned over years of just plain life is that everyone is different. Some like Tomatoes and some don't. As far as hunting fence rows for fleeing deer, to me is a smart stratagy for a possible shot, especially later in the season like Thanksgiving day. I know there is no bigger thrill at least for me then having a nice buck or what ever inside of 15 yards with absolutely no clue your there while your bowhunting. But during firearms season there are a lot more people out and simply more hunting pressure is put on the deer. Making it very hard to get that standing broadside while they eat shot. I think if you put the same amount of hunters in the woods during bow season as happens during firearms season, you would see a different animal in the woods. I personally never step in the woods during firearm season unless to retrieve a downed animal. I could be wrong but if I leave the woods undisturbed I'll have more deer and a possible chance at that broadside while they eat shot. I think the main reason the post was stopped was because it got a little ugly and for the most part the opinions were very simular. As a person we must always keep in mind that my way of thinking is not always how others think.


[This message has been edited by Coldwater Charters (edited 11-21-2000).]

[ONURNEZ]

Thanks Trout. :c) Huntnut, I think hunting deer with dogs would be unethical, as well as illegal. In fact, though I've never had to do it personaly, I wouldnt have a problem with someone shooting a dog that was running deer. Where I'm from it was called the 3 S's. Shoot em, Shovel em and Shut up. Crossbow hunting is legal in some states, I dont have a problem with that. As far as limiting shells in a gun......makes no difference to me. I like to think 1 shot is all I need anyway!! :c) Glad to see my opinion means so much to ya! If you werent my cousin I'd come over there and bitch-slap ya for being such a smart ass!! LOL Good hunting all!

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Deer hunting with dogs is legal in several states down south, as well as in ontario. Why is it unethical to hunt a deer with a hound, yet not unethical to hunt rabbits, fox, coyote, bobcats, squirrels, ect with one?

[fishinlk]

FYI... Ohio has limitied slugs in the gun just like duck hunters! Makes people think a little more before they shoot.... Could MI be next??

[Stinger]

Propose to limit or ban something in Michigan? I think there are too many cry babies to even think it.

[fishinlk]

A lot of people cried about it down here.

And I got your point.

[ONURNEZ]

bonusabuster......If you feel you were being put down by something I wrote, maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror.

Mr. 16 gauge.....To be honest with you, I had no idea of that until tonight. I suppose if its legal and an accepted practice to hunt deer with dogs down south, more power to em! I get your point about using dogs for coon, fox etc. I just don't think I could bring myself to do it for deer, even if it were legal up here. I don't suppose there are too many Michigan hunters that would enjoy seeing a dog running a deer when they're sittin in their treestands though! I could be wrong! Thanks for your input!

[hoytshooter]

ONURNEZ,

The problem that I had with your original post was that it seemed to put all gun hunters in the same group. I agree with you that there are is a section of our sport that I would not want in my woods either. I would assume that from your rebuttal, that you intended it different than what it came across to me. OH, and by the way welcome to the forum!!!

[Hunter333]

I commend all for sharing how they feel, even if it is not the generally accepted rule or language.
ONURNEZ, I guess you have gotten a taste for the passion that we have here at this forum. Live and learn I say, for everyone. As stated before, welcome to the forum


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[Joe Archer]

"I hunt, therefor I am". What is hunting? Hunting is life! <----<<<

[Skibum]

First of ONURNEZ, I will always defend your right to free speech no matter how stupid your opinion may be. In regards to my ignorant response to your original post let me see, you say you're not bashing anybody? How about comments like "part-time wanna be hunters"? Or "90% of the people that were out "hunting" opening day probably had not stepped a foot into the woods prior to this."? (Interesting statistic since better than a third of gun hunters also bowhunt. Of course there is the ever popular "I'll accept the challenge of REAL HUNTING once December 1st arrives". To me your attitude shows a great deal of arrogance. Amazingly you reinforce that impression in this post. Yep, gun hunting is equal to shooting a deer fenced in a pen but bowhunters are one with nature hunting the only pure way. Sorry but I find that to be pure BS. Sitting in a treestand over a pile of carrots with your mechanical broadheads, release, lighted sights etc. does not put you on some higher plane than every one else. No question there are gun hunters out there who's behaviour puts a bad light on the rest of us. There are bowhunters who do the same. We all lose when other hunters behave poorly and we should never justify their behavior. The point of my response was that if don't care to hunt during firearm season fine. That is your right. We all have different parts about the hunting experience that we enjoy and that includes hunters who may not be as serious as some of us. So what. Good for them for getting out at all. I'm not much of a golfer. Should I be critized if I go out and thrash a ball around the course a couple times a year if I'm enjoying myself? You need to learn a little more humility and tolerance for others rather than the my way is the only way you seem to pocess.

Skibum