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Old 03-01-2006, 07:16 PM
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Dead Cormorants cannot lay eggs. Dead Cormorants cannot eat fish. Dead Cormorants will never graduate from college. That is pretty simple.
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Old 03-02-2006, 08:47 AM
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why don't they just have a season for the things, and if there is funding needed make up a commorant stamp (like the waterfoul stamp) to go on your liscense. Then the feds get their piece too, the DNR makes money from the hunting liscense, the state's businesse's make money off hunting supplies and steel shot, and everyone is happy. You could even take your birds to a drop off station and maybe they could be recycled by purina for catfood , like the salmon after the eggs are milked out. Might even make a little off the da*n things I mean after all, cats like fish and birds to eat, its like a combo meal
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Old 03-02-2006, 01:24 PM
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Locked & loaded SIR!!!!!!

I would absolutely love to take part in "controlling" the darn things.

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Old 03-02-2006, 03:43 PM
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I would love if there was an open season on those things! Every spring while steelhead fishing I see them gobbed in the trees at the dam, they pop up all over once the smolts are planted, even in the coffer! They're sickening, kinda like snaggers, oops !
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Old 03-02-2006, 09:21 PM
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I'm in for about 50 or so per year.

By the way, I fish the Les Cheneaux and there are a couple of smaller islands that would be perfect for your pig roast idea
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Old 03-13-2006, 10:22 PM
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State, feds teaming up against

http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/in...070.xml&coll=4

Monday, March 13, 2006 By JEFF KART TIMES WRITER
894-9639 jkart@bc-times.com.

The cormorants are coming, and Michigan legislators are calling for more aggressive controls on the fish-gulping birds.

The state Department of Natural Resources has been listening, officials say. The agency will announce plans this week to expand efforts with federal agencies to control populations of the double-crested cormorant, a federally protected migratory bird that is causing problems in Northeast Michigan due to its growing numbers.

The birds feed on alewives and other fish, eating about a pound a day, and can devastate nesting sites, pushing out other birds and killing trees and vegetation with their feces. They start to return to the Great Lakes from winter nesting sites in late March.

The Saginaw Bay area will be monitored for the birds as part of the 2006 measures, but no shooting or oiling of eggs is planned here, said Ray A. Rustem, natural heritage unit supervisor for the DNR in Lansing.

A colony of cormorants nests on Little Charity Island in the bay, where their populations have been monitored for a number of years.

''The fishery in the Saginaw Bay is doing quite well,'' Rustem said.

''With the decline in alewives, it looks like there has been a resurgence in walleye and other game fish populations there.''

Rustem said officials from the DNR and the U.S. Department of Agriculture Wildlife Services program have been working on the 2006 plans. The USDA takes the lead in Michigan's cormorant-control efforts.

Last year, the DNR and USDA conducted a control program in Les Cheneaux Islands in the Upper Peninsula and spring harassment efforts - using volunteers to scare the birds away from sites - in Brevort in the Upper Peninsula, Long and Grand lakes near Alpena, in Rockport near Alpena and on Drummond Island.

State Sen. Tony Stamas, R-Midland, introduced a resolution this week that calls for more aggressive cormorant control measures. Rep. Darwin Booher, R-Evart, introduced a House resolution in February.

Rustem said control programs will expand this year to Escanaba and Thunder Bay near Alpena.

Harassment efforts will expand to Manistique Lakes and Indian Lake in the U.P. The harassment will include some killing of birds, Rustem explained.

''It's done as a supportive thing,'' he said. ''Seeing the other birds die, it seems to reinforce it. They learn quicker.''

DNR spokeswoman Mary Dettloff said the state and federal agencies are doing all they can to control the bird, but they're limited by tight budgets.

Cormorant populations have grown substantially over the years. In the 1970s, there were about 100 pairs in the Great Lakes, due in part to egg-thinning caused by the pesticide DDT, said Chip Weseloh, with the Canadian Wildlife Service, at a Great Lakes conference in East Lansing last week.

Since then, DDT has been banned and the bird has been granted a federally protected status. Now, there are about 110,000 pairs in the Great Lakes, Weseloh said.
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Old 03-14-2006, 08:00 AM
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I think oiling the eggs takes manpower which costs money. I'm sure there are plenty of cormorant haters that would pay big money for a license to blast away at them. I would gladly pay 100.00 to do it {legally}.
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Old 03-14-2006, 08:11 AM
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yeah, opening a season on them would be the most efficient means to the solution. oiling eggs requires too much man power time and money. opening a season would generate money not spend it.

typical government situation, all they do is talk about it and spend money without doing much of anything..
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Old 03-21-2006, 05:28 PM
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Cormorant controls are measured means of breaking up the parties

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Tuesday, March 21, 2006

When thousands of double-crested cormorants return to Michigan waters this spring after a winter on the Gulf Coast, many may encounter an unwelcoming committee.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture is working with the Michigan Department of Natural Resources this year to control an explosion of cormorants nesting on islands in and around Lake Huron's Thunder Bay.

It's a reasonable response to the colonies of cormorants that have nested on the islands near Alpena.

Some in that town blame the cormorants for the decline in the local brown trout fishery.

For them, the state and federal plans to put a lid on cormorant numbers is too little, too late to deal with what some consider no better than a rat with wings.

The ugly brutes are destroying the fishing in Lake Huron, some say.

Sure, after years of study, there's little doubt that cormorants do have an impact on fish populations.

But the exact effect is still murky.

Up in the Les Cheneaux Islands, about 16,000 cormorants preyed on alewives, a nonnative bait fish, and perch.

Their large colonies denuded islands with the bird's acidic droppings.

Clearly, something had to be done.

State and federal officials enlisted and oversaw volunteers who oiled eggs, harassed the birds and shot dozens.

They did not wipe out the birds.

Because, like it or not, cormorants belong in the Great Lakes. They moved into the lakes from the prairies around 1913. Pollution of the lakes drove their numbers down to the point where only 89 nesting pairs were counted in all of the Great Lakes in 1970.

Following years of pollution controls, though, cormorants rebounded in the cleaner waters. About 110,000 nesting pairs live in the lakes today.

This is an environmental success story.

Even if the double-crested cormorants are a nuisance in some spots.

When that's the case, we have a new state and federal agreement to deal with the migratory birds.

Everyone should give this plan time to work. A resolution in the Michigan Senate calling for the harshest possible measures to control cormorants is premature.

And fishermen should not take matters into their own hands. Killing federally protected waterfowl without the proper permits is a crime.

Just as the wholesale slaughter of 500 cormorants in 2000 on Saginaw Bay's Little Charity Island was an outrage. Nobody was ever caught in that criminal act.

That rogue population control measure might have been off the mark, anyway.

Although cormorants fly and fish all over Saginaw Bay, their presence doesn't appear to have hurt the walleye fishing, DNR officials say.

In fact, with the alewife population down, walleyes and other game fish are thriving here, state officials have said.

So, the jury's still out on whether cormorants are good guys or bad neighbors.

Depending on the circumstances, it's possibly a little bit of both.

And now, where their gatherings get out of hand, such Thunder Bay, we've got a measured means of breaking up their parties.

Under the watchful eyes of state and federal wildlife experts.
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