General Motors supporting anti-hunting group

[omega58]

I know there are a few people on here that either work or at least own a GM vehicle. I was looking into the Michigan Humane Society about the anti-hunting Dove bill and found that GM was one of the main supporters for their telethon. I am guessing that this money is spent as the MHS sees fit. . . the dove hunting ban may cost them a dollar or two. ;) I am guessing that GM is trying to do a good thing helping out those animals that get rescued, but supporting the Michigan Humane Society is not the way to do it.

I don't want to ruffle the feathers of GM supporters and I am not saying go sell your truck, just letting you know.


http://www.michiganhumane.org/site/PageServer

http://www.michiganhumane.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5395

[Gone Fishing]

That’s just wonderful! We are losing market share and profits are dwindling. There goes some more sales. For what it’s worth, I’m part of the GM organization and I fully support all types of hunting including Doves so it certainly isn’t a unanimous decision by any means. :(

[omega58]

That’s just wonderful! We are losing market share and profits are dwindling. There goes some more sales. For what it’s worth, I’m part of the GM organization and I fully support all types of hunting including Doves so it certainly isn’t a unanimous decision by any means. :(

Yeah, I doubt that GM really even looked into the anti-hunting aspect. . but when it is just a little ways down on the website, you would think they would look at it and decide not to be affiliated with this organization. I know Iams/Eukanuba took a hit for supporting these people. . .I am not so sure people will be as likely to switch brands of vehicles. . .that's a little tougher for some than dog food. ;)

[Gone Fishing]

Yeah, I'd post some e-mail addresses to some top execs here but I really need this job! :p

[Gobblerman]

I'm glad I drive a Ford truck. Hopefully GM realizes this and pulls out. I would not purchase a product from anyone who is backing anti-hunting organizations.

[Buddy Lee]

I'm glad I drive a Ford truck. Hopefully GM realizes this and pulls out. I would not purchase a product from anyone who is backing anti-hunting organizations.

I have a hunch that if you researched exactly what companies either directly or indirectly in some way support anti-hunting organizations, you'd have a hard time surviving if you refused to purchase their products. There are that many of them out there...

[Gobblerman]

I have a hunch that if you researched exactly what companies either directly or indirectly in some way support anti-hunting organizations, you'd have a hard time surviving if you refused to purchase their products. There are that many of them out there...

Unfortunately your probably correct.

[dyemen]

I have a hunch that if you researched exactly what companies either directly or indirectly in some way support anti-hunting organizations, you'd have a hard time surviving if you refused to purchase their products. There are that many of them out there...

I think the NRA website has a link that does show the supporters of Anti-hunting organizations...........Chrysler has produced some "anti" type commercials in the past and has taken some flak! I am sure all the automakers cannot account for all the money going out(on where it goes) but it is a slap in the face to have them talk out of both sides of their mouths!

[MI_Bowhunter]

Gone Fishen,

Do it annoymously, know one has to know.

[omega58]

I have a hunch that if you researched exactly what companies either directly or indirectly in some way support anti-hunting organizations, you'd have a hard time surviving if you refused to purchase their products. There are that many of them out there...

I am sure you could find a lot of links to all kinds of companies. . .but GM is on the front page of the website for being one of the main supporters. . .if I drove a GM vehicle, I would voice my opinion loud and clear. . .I am not sure they would be too concerned since I don't?

[dyemen]

I am sure you could find a lot of links to all kinds of companies. . .but GM is on the front page of the website for being one of the main supporters. . .if I drove a GM vehicle, I would voice my opinion loud and clear. . .I am not sure they would be too concerned since I don't?

EVERYONE is a potential customer! It doesn't matter what you drive right now....someday, you will be looking for a car! The market is tight.....they should be concerned!

[farmlegend]

to exploit. "Built Ford Tough, and not a nickel goes to support the HSUS." :cool:

[omega58]

EVERYONE is a potential customer! It doesn't matter what you drive right now....someday, you will be looking for a car! The market is tight.....they should be concerned!

Very true, I almost bought a Trailblazer last year.

[Adam Waszak]

I get frustrated with GM all of the time being from around Lansing. The city gives them alll kinds of tax beaks to stay in lansing and GM always says "we employ so much of Lansing it is worth it" well I beleive 10 years ago GM employed 20,000 people, pretty good huh? Well now it is about 10,000 people and as we extend tax breaks to them some more and they build a new plant here they annoounced another 3,500 people will be out of a job :yikes: I am not surprised by anything they do anymore but it is unfair to say they are alone many people think the HSUS is a great organization interested in taking care of dogs and cats. Remember this though the HSUS kills thousands of dogs and cats each and every year. Plus where you gonna get a car anyways :lol: Pretty much GM Ford, Dodge, and then the foreign cars so i guess you gotts weigh the options.

AW

[WILDCATWICK]

But doesn't GM also work with and support hunting groups? Don't they partner with Ducks Unlimited? I'm pretty sure that they do. Businessess are like polititicians they try to support everyone becuase they want everyone to support them :sad:

I think some of this stuff is like the Kevin Bacon game. Everyone including all of us support an anti group somehow thru varying degrees of seperation. It is probably impossible to lead a normal life and get away from this. But by all accounts we should always voice are displeasure when a group supports something that attacks us directly.

[omega58]

But doesn't GM also work with and support hunting groups? Don't they partner with Ducks Unlimited? I'm pretty sure that they do. Businessess are like polititicians they try to support everyone becuase they want everyone to support them :sad:

I think some of this stuff is like the Kevin Bacon game. Everyone including all of us support an anti group somehow thru varying degrees of seperation. It is probably impossible to lead a normal life and get away from this. But by all accounts we should always voice are displeasure when a group supports something that attacks us directly.

Yes, I am sure we are all 6 degrees from separation or less from it. . but, GM is on the front page, not separated at all.

http://www.michiganhumane.org/site/PageServer

[WILDCATWICK]

But as I said they also supports hunters:

ducks unlimited (http://www.ducks.org/News/NASCAR_DU_Ebay.asp)

Also one of the higest ranking memebers of D.U. came from GM:

http://www.dumichigan.org/Friends_Of_DU/Friends.htm

GM had partnered on many "Ducks unlimited" edition vehicles.

Just do a search. All I'm saying is it is fine to give them your opions...matter of fact I encourge it. But remember that they are supportive of hunters as well. They are not anti-hunting they are just trying to not alienate any groups. And most share holders are not going allow that philosophy to change. So in order to have them change their stance I think there needs to be a differnet thought of how to accomplish that. Beaucase if they alienate a group that would cut into profits, which will probably mean more unemployment in Michigan.

[thornapple]

I highly doubt GM strongly endorses anti hunting organizations. For one I park next to a "Ducks Unlimited" edition Tahoe everyday. Plus how many GM truck ads are on 90% of everybodys favorite hunting or fishing magazines and television shows. Its called ADVERTISING. Reaching out to as many people as possible to try and sell a product. But then again thats why I drive a Silverado instead of a Toyota Tundra. The final profits do end up over in Japan. Remember Pearl Harbor ?

[dyemen]

. Remember Pearl Harbor ?

"japanese going to attack us????? I highly doubt it.......(boom) (bang) " Keep your head in the sand and you won't be hunting very long..... :bash: GM is listed under their links as a corporate sponsor......They don't put your name there if you don't give money. The humane society is not shy about their agendas! :evilsmile :evilsmile :evilsmile

[bigmike]

I hope they don't know that the cash is going for a bad thing. Most hunters I know drive chevy trucks. That would suck if it's true!!!:sad:

[LilyDuck]

I drive a Silverado, and this thread has gotten to me...I started to think about the all the ads that I seen in magazines that I stare at in Gander Moutain...Yes there is Chevy ads in those but thats just it if I wanted to purchase a ad I guarantee that they would print it as long as the price was right... then I look to see that DU has Toyota and Ford Trucks away in their raffles. What about when you go to Cabelas is there a Chevy Truck up on the stage no its a FORD...Got to say that I bought my truck before I was a hunter and with this known I think I would have bought a FORD...Love my dad's (He's a Ford man)...Interseting thread to say the least...

But then again I like to throw my .02$ into everything according to my girlfriend! !:lol:

[drwink]

upper management at GM probably are not aware of the anti aspect, unless the individual that set up the deal may have & have personal feelings involved.
It would be worth an e-mail, just to let them know of the hunter disapproval.

Like someone said lots of other org's that are anti, like Proctor & Gamble & with this Gillette deal they just keep getting bigger.

Wally

[dyemen]

upper management at GM probably are not aware of the anti aspect, unless the individual that set up the deal may have & have personal feelings involved.
It would be worth an e-mail, just to let them know of the hunter disapproval.

Like someone said lots of other org's that are anti, like Proctor & Gamble & with this Gillette deal they just keep getting bigger.

Wally

I am with you Wally!

Every one knows that Proctor and Gamble bought Iams.....??? I find it Ironic though, if you do a search for P & g, (if anti), why are the anti's trying to boycott them as well?:dizzy:

[Bwana]

I am with you Wally!

Every one knows that Proctor and Gamble bought Iams.....??? I find it Ironic though, if you do a search for P & g, (if anti), why are the anti's trying to boycott them as well?:dizzy:

Animal testing for all of those products.

As for GM, my dad works there. It was the only car company that allowed on site CCW classes at the big three if he is correct; I know he took his there. They clashed hard with the anti's about letting employees hunt on their property (I don't think there was an actual policy but they just didn't care). They spend how many millions every year catering to hunters? Add in the simple fact that they are not generally considered a Politically Correct Organization; look at their environmental record. With this knowledge I would have to assume that: 1) They didn't do their homework. 2)They believe the HSUS mainly helps stray puppies and kittens; the HSUS is very adept at hiding their agenda outside of Washington. 3) The person(s) who decide on how to spend the charitable donations are an anti or doesn't know much about HSUS besides the puppy and kitten thing.

I personally think it is 2 or 3 myself. They should get some e-mails from us but I doubt they are going to the anti's side.

[wyle_e_coyote]

Animal testing for all of those products.

As for GM, my dad works there. It was the only car company that allowed on site CCW classes at the big three if he is correct; I know he took his there. They clashed hard with the anti's about letting employees hunt on their property (I don't think there was an actual policy but they just didn't care). They spend how many millions every year catering to hunters? Add in the simple fact that they are not generally considered a Politically Correct Organization; look at their environmental record. With this knowledge I would have to assume that: 1) They didn't do their homework. 2)They believe the HSUS mainly helps stray puppies and kittens; the HSUS is very adept at hiding their agenda outside of Washington. 3) The person(s) who decide on how to spend the charitable donations are an anti or doesn't know much about HSUS besides the puppy and kitten thing.

I personally think it is 2 or 3 myself. They should get some e-mails from us but I doubt they are going to the anti's side.

Maybe add a #4... They were trying to help the Detroit area Humane Socitey with thier efforts to stop abuses, like inter city Dog fighting rings, and did not realize thier other agendas or their ties to the HSUS.!

[dyemen]

[QUOTE=Bwana])They believe the HSUS mainly helps stray puppies and kittens; the HSUS is very adept at hiding their agenda outside of Washington. [QUOTE]

Though I agree with most of your post on why it is going on! HSUS is NOT HIDING their agenda..... They have merged with the funds for animals....They are very blatant about how they feel about hunting! MOST people are caught up with the "save a kitty/puppy thing" That is why they generate the funds they do.....I would not worry(as much) about PETA, they are too extreme for most people, However the HSUS, that is the organzation that I would worry about!

[Adam Waszak]

I think it comes down to Gm knowing that anti hunters buy cars too plain and simple. I doubt they are really anti hunting they sponsor several shows on OLN and the outdoor channel and lets face it they know those Silverado's aren't being sold to tree Huggers and animal rights activists. They are in the business of selling cars. I am less upset about this than I was when Eukanuba and Iams dog food aligned themselves with HSUS and turned their backs on the sporting dog community.

JMO

AW

[TnRidge]

I work for GM , and GM is a vital part of the economy , not only in Michigan ,but the U.S. . I hope sportsmen keep buying GM vehicles .They contribute to thousands of charities ,so I'm sure it was a indirect donation and they don't contribute directly to anti hunting efforts . Calling them an anti hunting company is absurd . I bet you guys have indirectly contributed your money to companies that are indirectly supporting anti hunting groups .

http://www.ussportsmen.org/INTERACTIVE/FEATURES/READ.CFM?ID=953




http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/community/gmgifts/index.html

[Bwana]

Though I agree with most of your post on why it is going on! HSUS is NOT HIDING their agenda..... They have merged with the funds for animals....They are very blatant about how they feel about hunting! MOST people are caught up with the "save a kitty/puppy thing" That is why they generate the funds they do.....I would not worry(as much) about PETA, they are too extreme for most people, However the HSUS, that is the organzation that I would worry about!

But see here is the point I was trying to make. We know about HSUS because we are attuned to the nuances of our fight. Many people do not pay attention or are just apathetic. So while they are not hiding what they stand for they definately do not get noticed by many. I actually asked an employee at the HSUS if they were related to the anti-hunting group and was told "they are a separate organization". How often does this happen i wonder? I did some homework and decided to rescue a dog from another place because they either did not know or they were lieing.

[Bwana]

Though I agree with most of your post on why it is going on! HSUS is NOT HIDING their agenda..... They have merged with the funds for animals....They are very blatant about how they feel about hunting! MOST people are caught up with the "save a kitty/puppy thing" That is why they generate the funds they do.....I would not worry(as much) about PETA, they are too extreme for most people, However the HSUS, that is the organzation that I would worry about!

But see here is the point I was trying to make. We know about HSUS because we are attuned to the nuances of our fight. Many people do not pay attention or are just apathetic. So while they are not hiding what they stand for they definately do not get noticed by many. I actually asked an employee at the HSUS if they were related to the anti-hunting group and was told "they are a separate organization". How often does this happen i wonder? I did some homework and decided to rescue a dog from another place because they either did not know or they were lieing.

And for the record, I do not work for GM. I have just noticed how much they have done for our community in the past and am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt...at least until a trend appears.;)

[omega58]

Calling them an anti hunting company is absurd .


I have friends and relatives that work for GM as well.

I am not calling them an anti-hunting group. . .the title of the thread is "General Motors supporting anti-hunting group" . . .I'll leave it up to everyone to care or not.

It is a FACT that they are on the front page of the Michigan Humane Society, the organization behind getting the signatures to end dove hunting in Michigan. You would think that they are aware of the efforts of the Michigan Humane Society. . .in fact, I am wondering how many signatures of the GM people that were at the telethon are going to appear on the anti-dove petition? Will that be public record?

[Adam Waszak]

Remember the worker of GM also supported Al Gore who wanted to put an end to the combustion (sp) engine :dizzy: I think all too often they have no idea who they are supporting. It is a feel good thing to do for pr and they look for pr from other than just sportsmen and women. Is it dumb on their part? I think so, Are they anti hunting? NO they do too much work with and for hunting groups across the country to be anti.

AW

[Happy Jack]

The way I read it is GM gives some money to the anti's and probably a lot more for outdoor and hunting activites. So the anti's who buy GM are probably contributing more to to the hunting side than hunters to the anti side. Buy what makes you comfortable.

[chrisu]

GM Headquarters is located within casting distance of Joe Louis Arena and they still named two of their vehicles "Colorado" and "Avalanche". If that doesn't make your stomach turn, whew....:lol:

[WILDCATWICK]

Good observation Chrisu! I suppose Driving a Chevy Red wing or Chevy Lion just doesn't sound as good :tdo12:

[GVSUKUSH]

GM? I don't know about their politics........

I just want them to build a vehicle that will let me wash my windshield with my window down and not get drenched with washer fluid.

[BarryPatch]

2004 Ford F150 SuperCrew:cool:

[Unregistered4]

GM? I don't know about their politics........

I just want them to build a vehicle that will let me wash my windshield with my window down and not get drenched with washer fluid. Try this, while backing up as fast as you can, then turn on the washers and you should be O.K. That's what I do but, I don't wreck-a-men(get it wreck) it for the highway. Just thought I could help, no need to thank me, Brian.

[GVSUKUSH]

Try this, while backing up as fast as you can, then turn on the washers and you should be O.K. That's what I do but, I don't wreck-a-men(get it wreck) it for the highway. Just thought I could help, no need to thank me, Brian.

Oh yeah, I love being blinded by a half gallon of washer fluid for 5-10 seconds, you're only in a moving vehicle right?