Man Has This Forum Died

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Theres has been very fews posts here lately,find it hard to believe nobodys fishing the northeast for steelhead this fall. I know there was a serious problem with the salmon run this year,but from what I've seen and herd the fall steelhead run has been pretty fair.

[callie]

I can tell you that on the Northwest side Bear River, I've been getting an hour or two of fishing the past three weekends. In my little area there have been no fishermen. It's actually been too fun. My success rate has'nt been too good, but my fun level is plus10.

[Fishndude]

Not everyone posts their success. Not all posts are truthful. When I have the time and inclination to go fishing, I do - and almost always have a great time, whether I catch fish or not. I catch fish most of the time.

The Internet is great - the "Information Highway." But a lot of people have realized that posting their fishing results on a website that might get up to 10,000 hits each day often sends hordes of other anglers to their favorite spot or stretch of river; and so they stop posting. I am not judging anyone - I have not posted my successes in a long time, but don't mind sharing techniques and general information with people. I have seen posts from people in other, far away, Countries post questions and inquire about fishing in Michigan on websites (not sure if it was here or "the other" site). Most of the bait and tackle shops I know of don't use the Internet at all. You can still call the places that always gave you local information. You can find most of them using Yahoo :o)

[WILDCATWICK]

Well I've been deer hunting up to the last two weeks. Now I've started tying flies. It's slow go for me as I've only tied a couple ever. I started last year and wasn't very happy with my results. But this year the wooly boogers are truning out magnificant. Tied a ton of them in different sizes colors and materials. Now I've started on Hendrickson nyphs and caddis nymphs. Getting em cranked out and I'm quite excited about it. Hopefully I'll be up in the near future to put them to work :)

[stinger63]

I havent been doing much fishing,what little I have done the results havent been worth posting.Thats the truth I swear!Meet the other fishless of ph aka formerly stinger63

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Fishndude,
I have several contacts,and family members in the northeast part of this state, I have spent most of my receration time there for the past 43 years.I will never call a bait shop for information.I do understand that a post about a specfic hole or area of a river,could result in 500 of your closest internet buddies being there when you arrvive.I post my results both on good days not so good days.There have several guys who have helped me out along the way,I just try to return the favor .When I'm posting on a river I try not give a specfic hole or run,In somes cases I have recieved , p.m's and e-mails from members on this site ,then I have given specfic information.I have found most reports on this site to honest, there are a few other sites that I don't trust the reports on at all. The southwest,southeast and northwest rivers forums are all still getting posts just curious why this one has died.


good fishin,
LARRY

[Whit1]

Larry,
Actually the NW Rivers Forum has been quite slow. Some of this is due to deer season(s) and part is also due to members simply not posting about their fishing out of a reluctance to put it on the 'net or the fact that they've seen members get bashed when they do submit a report. Some of that goes on within this site and there is also spill/carryover to other sites, carried there by members of MS.

What we don't see are the PM/emails that go out from certain members to others who post about their fishing success, especially when it involves rivers. I can recall accusations ripping into a poster (with pix) for being nothing but a braggart or other, similar, rhetoric. One of our best stream trout fishermen that I've ever known, who used to post regularly with details about how the fish were caught, never posts anymore after a member(s?) cut his posts apart out of some malcontented reasoning that I still can't fathom.

I don't post as much as I used to about fishing, but then I've been in the throes of a huge El Skunko (except for smallish fish) for quite awhile now.

[bobcolenso]

I do understand that a post about a specfic hole or area of a river,could result in 500 of your closest internet buddies being there when you arrvive.

That's exactly way I refer to my salmon fishing place as "*SOMEWHERE* on the Great Lakes, somewhere south-east of Ikaluktutiak" (That's a small village in western Nunavuk). :rant: I'd really hate to see it ruined by being overrun by a bunch of drunken inbreds like so many other places in our state. :rant:

[ESOX]

or the fact that they've seen members get bashed when they do submit a report.

member(s?) cut his posts apart out of some malcontented reasoning that I still can't fathom.


People attempting to stifle the free exchange of information in this forum have been an ongoing problem. The exchange of information is what we are all about. The moderating staff has grown very weary of some members attempts at undermining the reason for our existance, and in the future the self-richeous malcontents will be promptly shown the way to other sites where the posting rules are more to their liking. We all have the right to post anything that falls within the parameters of the site rules, and the staff will be vigorously supportive of all who decide to partake in the exchange of information.

[Hemish]

Thanks again for the numberous bits of info that you've given me. The lack of posts in this forum is easy to see and I know just one of the many reasons is that there are so few rivers compared to the other side of the state. The small size and lack of salmon is a big reason too. But I am definitely looking forward to hitting the AuSable sometime in the next month or so and I'll post if so. I have been hunting like most and still am, but visions of steel are dancing in my head.

Thanks Larry, you are the man. Cheers also to ausable_steelhead and Stelmon for the tips over the years on this forum. I don't waste as much time in the wrong spots now on my favorite river.

I looked forward to splitshot's posts too, :rolleyes: ah well. Maybe they'll be back someday.

[unregistered5a]

Though I don't fish for steelhead I would bet that the lack of posts could be from the time of year-Christmas time, after deer season - I have noticed that the regional forums here do get slow at other times too.

EDW

[J-Lee]

I guess some trade offs come with the popularity of this site. Some of the guys I learned the most from and enjoyed their fish tales the most don't post anymore. :sad:

[JWF]

I do agree that the river posts have gone down in general. I have been a member here now for about 3.5 years, and this is the slowest I have seen it. As for myself, I have gone salmon/steel/trout fishing twice since Labor Day, and that is pretty poor. I do think all the controversy about how much info to post/not post has discouraged many people from posting. I think it is a little ironic that posts have gone down, but there are more people who visit the fourms. I can't confirm thatr more people visit the river forums than before, but I remeber the pro-less -info group seemed to say there were.

I really think locations in posts are not that important, but I do like hearing about techniques that work and the fish caught.

[Fishndude]

That is the total beauty of this site. If you want to post, you can - pretty much without being flamed. If you don't want to post any reports, you have every right not to as well.
Technique information is great for people new to the sport. Specific locations are what experienced fishermen can best use, most times. People who fish a lot normally have other options for finding out where the hot action is.
Everyone should vote their conscience. Post if you want. PMs are a good way to share information if you don't want to give up something special to everyone who might read it in a post.

[unregistered5a]

While this post isn't about tactics or any particular river information- it has generated over a dozen replies- maybe all it takes is someone to post something to generate discussion.
EDW

[Ruler]

Why post a report here? If you provide a lot of information, you get ripped on for ruining a spot. If you don't post everything, people bombard you with PMs, EMs, and posts interrogating you for more information. (Of course this is dependent on somebody else not coming behind you and filling in the blanks you left, which has happened to me before.)

It's far easier to simply not post results and e-mail them to people you know and trust if you want to share, or post them on a private board. I don't get out a ton, but it's very doubtful if I'll post a report here ever again for the above reasons.

[plugger]

As whit said the nw forum has been slow too. Even when I am not intending to fish I keep a real close eye on the lower pm river and nobody fishing. I havent seen this few people on the river in about 20 yrs.

[Steve]

Why post a report here? If you provide a lot of information, you get ripped on for ruining a spot. If you don't post everything, people bombard you with PMs, EMs, and posts interrogating you for more information. (Of course this is dependent on somebody else not coming behind you and filling in the blanks you left, which has happened to me before.)

It's far easier to simply not post results and e-mail them to people you know and trust if you want to share, or post them on a private board. I don't get out a ton, but it's very doubtful if I'll post a report here ever again for the above reasons.

Ruler if the rules for posting are followed you have the full backing of the moderating staff.

[Whit1]

There is a post of mine floating somewhere either in the wrong forum and/or thread or out in cyberspace. I had commented earlier on Ruler's post. The mod staff, administration, and site owner.........that's the Big Kahoona Steve, are determined that members will not be harassed when they follow the simple rules of the site about naming the smaller rivers and tribs to the main rivers as listed in each river forum header. Posts that do so will be taken care of and the author PMed about it.

If there is a problem just PM the mod(s) of the forum or a super moderator. The offending post(s) will be taken care of.

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

WELL AT LEAST THIS TREAD, GOT THIS FORUM GOING A LITTLE.


Been down with the flu,the last few days so it's been a few days since I checked this thread out. Seems like I might of touched a nerve with some of you,if so that was not my intent.I agree post or don't post it's strickly up to you .It's a shame that some members have been bashed or harrassed or whatever else you want to call it. It is a greater shame if some of you are not posting for fear of being bashed.There was a young man who used to post on this forum alot, he got bashed pretty good .He has not made a post in a long time.Although I've never meet this young man,way before I joined this site ,we would coverse thur e- mail and compare notes about our favorite river.I'm pretty sure he got scared away and thats a DAMM SHAME !! There was a time when I fished the Au sable River 50 days or so a year,now I'm down to just a few with 3 kids 13/12/7 and #4 on the way,between family commitments and work commitments along with the fact thats it's 190 miles away I don't hit the river the the way I once did.I quess what I was hopeing for was a network of of guys who fish the AU SABLE,that can help each other out,for I'm not the only who one travles a few hours up to our favorite river.some general information with out giving up exact hole or run,could greatly help a fellow angler out who has just travled a few hours in search of STEEL. THERE ARE SOME SMALLER STEAMS IN THE AREA THAT i'd would never think of making a POST ON. LET'S FACE IT wether we post a report or not the AU SABLE RIVER IS GOING TO RECIEVE lots of PRESSURE. Lets face it the river mainly runs thur public land .From the dam to the r.r. tressel there is no private land,making it accessable to all.In the fall and spring the river draws all types,but in the late fall and winter it's down to a few true sportsman(for I've always said it takes a specail kind of moron to hike thur waist deep snow only to wade in freezing cold water) it is these true sportsman who could form a network to help each other out, if nothing else meet for a burger , a beer and a warm up.I believe that river and those fish are a PREIOUS RESOURCE FOR ALL TO ENJOY.


Sorry I did not mean to ramble on.WISHING ALL A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.


LARRY

[Steve]

It is a greater shame if some of you are not posting for fear of being bashed

That is unacceptable and won't be tolerated.

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

no offense, steve it has happened already, several times already, this forum has no moderator and it shows.



LARRY

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

I'T'S 9 pm sunday nite, just read S.W. Rivers report, I'm just hopeing guys posting in N. E. Rivers will give us the same type of report.

\LARRY

[Steve]

We can assign a new moderator to this forum and I am open to your suggestions. It is important to us and does deserve a moderator. This may be one from our existing staff or someone new.

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Steve,
The choice is up to you,this site is yours I'm just hopeing this forum will take off. I LOVE THE N.E , PART OF THIS STATE, and hope someday it gets it's fair claim. IF no one from from yourpresent staff is willing to moderate this forum,please e- mail how I CAN HELPl

GOOD FISHIN,
LARRY

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Steve You Have A P.m.

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Hemish, thank you,
IT IS UP TO YOU and others like your age, for the torch has been passed to THE NEXT generation. Please pass on,for it is up to YOU AND OTHERS YOUR AGE to keep this fishery going .


THANKS LARRY.

[Hemish]

Thanks for the encouragement Larry. My first stop in M-S.com is the NE forum since the Au Sable is the river I grew up fishing as a kid coming those 3 hrs from Lansing. Someday when I have kids I'll tell them about guys like you and a guy I met on the small NW trib a month ago, guys that aren't uptight with info and then I'll pass on what I've learned, how to read the woods/water, how to present the offering & how to beach steel.

This site has been a spectacular resource and though I've only fished with 2-3 guys so far I hope it's more in the future. I'm sure glad my bro Maxemus led me to it (that's a shot-out, Dan). :)

Same as hunting I believe it's a tradition, hobby and way of life that needs to be passed on from generation to generation and our society could use more down-to-earth folks like those on this site.

Alright, I'll get off my soapbox... :rolleyes: Wish I could get out into an icy river, now that the firestick has been hung back on the wall maybe I'll talk my bride into heading to Oscoda???

Hope to read some posts, especially hope to hear from some of those guys who are ticked off and don't want to post anymore. A moderator would help but not taking it personal helps too.

Screamin' Drags :yikes:

[fishforreel]

I do not post a lot but certainly visit this site often to see what is happening and to learn a thing or two from those who have the experience. This includes the North East and North West.

Is is great to learn about where (no specifics) the fish are hitting, what types, techniques methods etc. It is also nice to see some outdoor pictures.

As stated in earlier posts we sportsmen have the obligation to keep our sport alive and to pass on the information to the younger generations.

There are many good fishermen who post here and what some has termed as "BASHING" really should be considered a good debate. There is nothing wrong with debating a topic and each of us offering our opinions. Certainly there should be no percsonal attacks. On the other hand if one was to state an opinion that is contrary to another member's view point, this is not a personal attack.

Most importantly we need to pass CONSERVATION on to the next generation.
Rules and limits today are in part due to politics. So we must not keep all that is allowed but must make a concience decision on where we are, how many fish are available and what do we really need.

With DNR funding cuts and fund raids, who knows what moneys will be available in the future to replace our fish.

I like fish and keep some to eat on occasion.

What really frustrates me (please do not call it bashing) is to see a post where fish are killed so pictures can be taken. Then what happens next is "does anyone want any fish"? Killing fish to brag on the web site and to try and find someone to give them to, so one can earn the title and bask in the glory as "the fisherman", is not a practice we should be teaching our young.

Catch fish, keep what YOU need. Certainly take and post pictures but do it in a way as to not harm the fish. Hold the fish gently in the water, take the shot then release it, unless it is planned for the table. In this case take pictures of the big ones, let these prime breeders go to continue the gene cycle then keep the smaller tastier ones for the table.

Throwing the fish out of the water on the bank to get a good pose with the rod next to it or holding the fish with fingers up into the gills to get a good picture to post on the web , then watch it die so it can be given away is NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE TEACHING OUR YOUNG.

There is a fine line here and each of us needs to be concious of what we do and the reasons behind it.

Happy Holidays and good fishing.

[Whit1]

What really frustrates me (please do not call it bashing) is to see a post where fish are killed so pictures can be taken. Then what happens next is "does anyone want any fish"? Killing fish to brag on the web site and to try and find someone to give them to, so one can earn the title and bask in the glory as "the fisherman", is not a practice we should be teaching our young.

Catch fish, keep what YOU need. Certainly take and post pictures but do it in a way as to not harm the fish. Hold the fish gently in the water, take the shot then release it, unless it is planned for the table. In this case take pictures of the big ones, let these prime breeders go to continue the gene cycle then keep the smaller tastier ones for the table.

Throwing the fish out of the water on the bank to get a good pose with the rod next to it or holding the fish with fingers up into the gills to get a good picture to post on the web , then watch it die so it can be given away is NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE TEACHING OUR YOUNG.

There is a fine line here and each of us needs to be concious of what we do and the reasons behind it.

Happy Holidays and good fishing.

Fish,
You certainly are reading a lot more into the fishing reports than what I've seen in these river threads over the past few years.

The "bashing" that is referred to has nothing to do with a discussion where opinions/ideas diverge, but rather where members come in and jump on a person who posts a river report simply because the report was posted. Another example would be when a member states that he/she kept some fish and are castigated, soundly, because they kept legally caught fish, within the legal limits. These are but two examples.

Contrary to what a few members think, disagreements are welcome here in MS, as long as the rhetoric remains civil and personal attacks are not used in making a point.

[stelmon]

Thanks Hemish!!

I use to fish the ausable alot because that's the area that taught me all about the cold water fishery. The reason I don't post anymore is because I am really disgusted with the ausable river. I fished the river once last year and the amount of snagging turned me off. I still love the area. Heck, I pier fish there as much as possible.

As for me, I don't post much where I have been fishing whether it's the ausabe, PM, boardman, ect. It's one less thing for people to bash me about and if anyone has a problem with anything else in my reports, they've got problem IMO.

I also believe imo that the fishing is dying there and that's the reason for the little posting we have. Looks at the size of the salmon there this year.

Another reason is one of our posters really got slammed last winter by some of the members here. He says that's not the problem but I have a feeling it adds to the reason why he isn't excited to post anymore which I don't blame him.

[Shoeman]

As whit said the nw forum has been slow too. Even when I am not intending to fish I keep a real close eye on the lower pm river and nobody fishing. I havent seen this few people on the river in about 20 yrs.

I'm sure things will pick up in the forums. Personally I haven't spent much time on the rivers either. The time that wasn't consumed by deer hunting was spent on small waters near camp. The rains came late and when they did... The rivers are full of fish waiting for those to brave the elements.

A few trips on the ice, some bunny hunting and before we know it it's Spring.
;)

[foersterhunter]

Could it possibly be why this forum has died is because the eastside does not receive the plants like the westside does or is it that we just don t have the number of tributaries that the westside

[gunrod]

or is it that we just don t have the number of tributaries that the westside
I agree Kevin. We have the same issue in the SE forum except we receive ample plants. The SE forum just has a ton of guys fishing it so we some reports here.

The NE also doesn't get the big lake fishing the NW does. And I'm taking a guess here but I believe the NW is more populated (maybe not much) than the NW.

[foersterhunter]

pat theres just so much writen about our NW streams that it sorta pushes people to go that way.They make it sound so easy to catch fish.Then again i also look at the amount of miles of river over on that side plenty of room to put the boat in and go where you want to get away from people.couldn t even think what the au sable would be like if we had a crew of us up there with shoeman and the ship of fools.LOL.

[gunrod]

You're right and you didn't count all the creeks. The funny thing is that the NE side is a shorter drive for the mass population. 4+ hrs to the NW and 3 to fishable waters in the NE.

I have to admit my love for the NW side though, plus my base camp is there year 'round but it does explain the slow reporting of this forum.

Add that the Ship of Fools, The Short Bus and The Hyde 'n Seek aren't all that welcome on those waters because they're drift boats.:yikes: ;)

[foersterhunter]

The michigan steelheaders put on river fishing tournies look at the locations of the tournys last year out of 6 dates only two on the .eastside. http://www.mssfa.com/midsaginvite.htm
Of the dates published look at the dates actual time plus please notice that the club that puts them on is closer to the Au Sable or eastside tribs

[Shoeman]

One of the bigger problems in the NE forum is the finite amount of "postable" rivers. It's always been like this. Should someone post about the EBOTAG? No, it's small water with limited access. The Rifle? It has enough pressure and makes ice below 25 degrees. Not many guys fish the Oqueoc and that leaves a few "Northern tribs" and the Au Sable. The runs in the Au Sable have been late and short. I still blame the lack of cycling and the clarity of the water.

Compare that to the SW, with the Grand, Joe, Mo, Kzoo and a few other tribs. The NW with the PM that everyone and their brother fishes, the Manistee, the Bear, Betsie, Platte, White....

[Whit1]

It's always been like this. Should someone post about the EBOTAG? ...


????.........Is that something you fish? catch? eat? wear? compost? sell, take pills for?....pet?....cuddle?..... Enlighten me Mr. Ralph.......what's an EBOTAG?.......:) ;) :lol:

[Shoeman]

How about the Singing Bridge? Does that ring a bell?

[Whit1]

The Singing Bridge? I've been over it three times when our oldest son lived in Tawas (moved to Petsokey last spring). I can't believe how far out those guys wade to beach fish there. Do they pack a lunch to eat on their way?

You are right of course about the lack of larger rivers to fish over there. I'm less than an hour away from four major streams (PM, Big M, Betsie, and Platte) and countless smaller ones that are dandies for upland trout.

[stelmon]

Heck, I totally forgot about singing bridge. From what I have heard that fishery has gone down the hill. Everytime I stop by there I never see anyone fishing there anymore.

[ZobZob]

A lot of good points. I personally don't fish the east side much for steelhead and salmon because my success has been higher on the west side of the state and the drive is about the same. The east side has plenty of good trout rivers though besides the Au Sauble. I have a feeling the few people who do fish it regularly are "cleaning up" because less and less of us fish out there! They probably love it.

Zob

[jeremy L]

I have a feeling the few people who do fish it regularly are "cleaning up" because less and less of us fish out there! They probably love it.

Zob

:whistle: :whistle: :shhh: ;)

[brookid]

I live in Chicago now but grew up in the NE Michigan area. I get up there a couple times a year and there are plenty of hidden jewel trout streams well off the beaten path...and I'm fine with that. If I saw any of them pop up on a list of "Michigans finest trout streams" I'd have a heart attack...and 3 come to mind that should but its best left for the 8 of us who fish them;) So as compared to some of the other forums this may seem dead...but I'm fine with that:)

Brookid

[Moonlighting]

I would like to fish the AuSable more but don't due to a lack of know how.
I got this buddy I won't mention his name (Larry Gone fishin) Who is supposed to be teaching me how to fish steelhead but he is holding back.
He tought me how to salmon fish, I already knew how to walleye, so he is holding out on me with the steelies and perchin
See this guy just don't want me to catch as many fish as he does period. :p

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

BIGGIE, (aka moonlighting)
My bother ,you our a glutant for more punishment . You always tell me how much money I've cost you by,by innerduceing you to big lake fishing,and I know how fustrated you get when I out fish you ,with a boat load of kids.I figured I'd let your blood pressure settle before I kick your butt in another type of fishin. Micheal the last time I was up there was Thanksgiving weekend and you were invited.
Biggie if you want to chase some steel ,I'm a phone call away,I seem to have lots of time on my hands these days.(still layed off)

Larry

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Maybe, this forum not so dead after all.1245 views and this is the 47th post on this thread,also 2 other threads since I started this one .Glad to see this forum up and running again.

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL,

LARRY

[Steve]

Thanks Larry ;)

[Moonlighting]

BIGGIE, (aka moonlighting)
My bother ,you our a glutant for more punishment . You always tell me how much money I've cost you by,by innerduceing you to big lake fishing,and I know how fustrated you get when I out fish you ,with a boat load of kids.I figured I'd let your blood pressure settle before I kick your butt in another type of fishin. Micheal the last time I was up there was Thanksgiving weekend and you were invited.
Biggie if you want to chase some steel ,I'm a phone call away,I seem to have lots of time on my hands these days.(still layed off)

Larry
Well I am sure there have been some times when you out fished me , but I am sure I got the biggest King, smallie, and northern. this year! I need to fish, just so broke I can't even pay attention.

[GONE FISHIN(LARRY)]

Mikey, MIkey, Mikey.
I'll agree with you on biggest smallie and northern as I don't target those fish,BUT AS FAR AS BIGGEST KING WE PUT A 27lbER ABOARD MY BOAT THIS AUGUST ,keep on talkin the proff is in th pics. HEY BROTHER if yoy read this tonight give me a call on my cell.

[maxemus]

Thanks Larry for bringing this topic up. I too enjoy reports from the east side. Hopefully the baitfish will replenish and fatten up the big fishies :help:

I miss reports from A-S {he is real as my bro Hemish can attest to} Stelmon, Splitshot,northern outdoorsman and others...

Catching fish ain't braggin

Fishin stories to me NEVER get old since my fishin trips are far and few .

See ya on the pier!!! :grouphug: :xzicon_sm :fish: :woohoo1:

[maxemus]

Thanks bro!

[stelmon]

Hey Maxemus,
I try to post reports when possible. However, I am always updating my log which can be found in my sig. I will probably be fishing with Ausable_steelhead wednesday. Will post a report if I go.