Why do they let dogs on state land?

[mullet39]

Why do they let dogs on state land hunting anything other than deer during deer season? Do they not have certain days for dog hunting and for other hunting? It is every man's right to hunt with his dog, but during dog days. This leads me into another question, why do they allow squirrel and small game to be hunted at the same time as deer hunting?

[plugger]

Just wondering where your from mullet39?

[Huntsman27]

Not everyone hunts just deer, Waterfowlers, Rabbit hunters, and others share the land it isnt one groups land to use at any one time.

Thats why you buy your own land and make your own rules! Rich

[trout]

I share the woods everytime I'm out there.
State land is owned by the people and people hunt different game.

I don't have a problem sharing public land at all.
In fact I use the fact that other people are in the woods when I deer hunt.
Change your tatics alittle and you'll see good results.

[wecker20]

I hunt rabbits w/ a dog but I sure the heck wouldn't during gun season on state land. Don't trust some of the attitudes of a few hunters and that's sad. I also wouldn't want to pi$$ someone off. I would understand if there were guys hunting w/ dogs at anytime and that's totaly ok w/ me. As Huntsman said, don't like it, buy your own and make your own rules.

[mullet39]

I am from Alabama, but am currently living in Michigan

[mullet39]

I am not saying that they shouldn't be there but that certain areas should be designated for each area of hunt.

[mullet39]

To start with I am not just a deer hunter, I am an outdoorsman. I too buy the licenses each and every one of them. I am just saying that there should be designated areas for designated hunting.

[trout]

How do they do things in Alabama?

[mullet39]

The seasons don't overlap as they do here. If they do certain days are designated for certain hunts.

[plugger]

Mullet I figured you were from the south, In micigan our deer season goes from oct1 to jan1. To say that you couldnt small game or dog hunt fopr most of the fall would be unreasonable. Alot of years at least part of the state is effectively shutdown with snow by the middle of december so holding any of the seasons latter is not an option. Some times it seems inevitable that more laws will be nessescary to reduce conflicts between groups. Not too many years ago late bow season and muzzle loader seasons were not very popular, leaving the month of december and beyond to the rabbit hunters.

[trout]

According to this link
http://www.outdooralabama.com/hunting/season-limits/
Your seasons do overlap.

[Jumpshootin']

why do they allow squirrel and small game to be hunted at the same time as deer hunting?
Geeeeeeeeeeez
Why do they allow deer to be hunted at the same time as small game? Since when does hunting deer trump everything else?
I've been hunting small game, deer, and waterfowl for more than 35 years now and it has come to the point that I wouldn't care a bit if every deer in the state was shot off.
Give a guy a tree stand and a bait pile and he thinks that he has exclusive rights to hunt that area from Oct. 1 thru Jan 1.
Buy your own land and you can be king of the hunting rules.

[trout]

I can't hunt most of the farms I once could due to the "deer hunter" mindset.
So I hunt public land and I'll be darned if I get squeezed out of there :)
I also hunt deer and next year I think I'll be out early in OCT with my self bow after a 5 year break.
As hunters we need to support each other much more in the near future or we all will lose.

[mullet39]

As I said when our seasons do overlap we have designated days and areas for each hunt on public land. That is how things have been resolved down there. I can see where you are coming from with the weather, but as of yet I have not seen it. I will be experiencing my first winter ever this year.

[brymoore]

I am from Alabama

That would explain the mullet. ;)

[mullet39]

I guess as a first year Michigan hunter it was just very frustrating and seemed almost unfair when I had sat in my blind for five hours and was just about to get my first deer when a man came up on me with his hound and the shot was gone. I just couldn't get over it. It was almost unreal to me lol. I guess after this winter I may be able to understand it all a little better.

[mullet39]

You don't even want to get me started on that whole bait pile thing. You can bait a deer up but you can't feed it? LOL

[trout]

I hope they outlaw baiting too.

[Huntsman27]

Let me welcome you to Michigan! That being said............You have just expirienced State Land hunting at its best.

In other words, if you even saw that deer a split second before the guy muffed your shot.........You need to work on snap shooting and get with the program. That happens with guys wandering through the woods. Have to be ready to shoot at a seconds notice. Why, just think you couldve thanked the poor slob for prompting you to make a great shot! Rich

[plugger]

Question for trout; For some reason I beleive you hunt the southern zone, does anyone small game hunt anymore? Its been 30 yrs since I moved north so I am out of touch with the region to say the least. saturday I muzzle loader hunted in the southern zone and we only heard 1 shot all day but I noticed alot of rabbits and the biggest fox squirrels In mason county where I teach almost none of the kids small game hunt. I have to wonder what this portends for the future? When I started hunting there was limited bowhunting and no muzzle loader hunting so for practical purposes deer season lasted 15 days. The majority of the fall was spent inpursuit of small game.

[Pigpen69]

Geeeeeeeeeeez
Why do they allow deer to be hunted at the same time as small game? Since when does hunting deer trump everything else?
I've been hunting small game, deer, and waterfowl for more than 35 years now and it has come to the point that I wouldn't care a bit if every deer in the state was shot off.
Give a guy a tree stand and a bait pile and he thinks that he has exclusive rights to hunt that area from Oct. 1 thru Jan 1.
Buy your own land and you can be king of the hunting rules.


Would that make the squirrel hunting any better for ya??? Can I ask how many deer you have killed for yourself, since your so excited about them all being gone. For the Record, I have the following that you mentioned.

I have lots of tree stands, but I dont use a bait pile, I hunt by a corn field.
I do have My own land, But since I consider myself a HUNTER, I FOLLOW THE RULES, EVEN ON MY OWN LAND. I also rabbit hunt and raise beagles, but I dont hunt them till after deer season. Thats my own preference, I dont bash anyone on their techniques, or the animals they pursue. I do it because I love it and thats what I teach my kids. :woohoo1:

[BIGSP]

Deer season is open from Nov. 15th to the 30th. There won't be anybody in there right mind out there hunting with dogs then. If you want your own "Private Deer Hunting Area" go buy it!!!! I for one am scared by many of the knucklehead "DEER HUNTERS" who think they own the woods. I have had a few freinds who have run into "DEER HUNTERS" who have threatened them while they were bird hunting in there (state owned deer hunting spots). Most guys try to steer clear of areas where they see other trucks parked, but by law and privledge we all can be in the woods. If I stumble onto "your deer hunting spot" deal with it!!!! Don't take it personally, we dog users actually move alot of deer for you guys so be happy.

[timbergsp]

Why do they let dogs on state land hunting anything other than deer during deer season? Do they not have certain days for dog hunting and for other hunting? It is every man's right to hunt with his dog, but during dog days. This leads me into another question, why do they allow squirrel and small game to be hunted at the same time as deer hunting?


Because dog hunters pay taxes to good enough reason fer me

WHy do they let deer hunters on state land??

this is a really stupid question


Scott

[mullet39]

oh yes there will if the law says i have the right!

[timbergsp]

oh yes there will if the law says i have the right!

and the law says I have the right as well ;)

[Bow Hunter Brandon]

mullet39, I assume that you were honestly looking for an answer and not to get jumped on by everyone on the board all at one time :lol:

Honestly they overlap because out deer season is so long. It would not be fair to try and limit the access by other hunters during deer season and I can tell you there is no way on God green earth that anyone would support shortening the deer season even if it was exclusive during that time. I for one have learned to use the other hunters in the woods to my advantage. I think you will find that allot of the really successful deer hunters have as well.

The best answer I can give you is you will get used to the seasons and probably really start to enjoy that any fall day you have almost endless options to hunt in Michigan. It’s great. If it’s cloudy and cold I target ducks. Clear sky’s and cold Deer, warm and clear after a cold snap I grab the 22 and go find some squirrels
Another hint. More members will respond to posts if you fill out your profile and tell us a bit about yourself.

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[wagoneer]

It is every man's right to hunt with his dog, but during dog days. This leads me into another question, why do they allow squirrel and small game to be hunted at the same time as deer hunting?
What are dog days? If they are days open for hunting small game, when do propose they be. As many stated, the deer season runs quite some time. If you actually want that whole time to be dedicated to deer hunting only, you'll catch a lot of flack from people on a sportsman's forum! I don't get it. What is your solution? I am assuming you don't want the deer season shortened.

[TradeMark]

This is my 2 cents; take it how you want and flame me if you want. But this is freaking pathetic. I have read numerous posts from about all of you about your bad experiences in the woods weather it is state or private.

This hunter did this that hunter did that and why does everyone think they own the woods? I have this right I have that right you’re a slob hunter. It is never ending!!

You all are looking to vent and get some compassion of your situation, because that is what this board was made for. Not too mention a way to share new ideas and tactics on harvesting the animal in which you hunt.

Then you get a person that moves to our state and is trying to get some knowledge of the area to know and understand what is going on. WHY? Because that is what this board is made for. Heck, even a new comer who is looking to enjoy the same things you do. Then everyone jumps on him flaming him down to nothing leaving a bad taste in his mouth. Now, he has thoughts running through his head – heck why come here I can get this crap out in the woods.

We are stooping to the levels of the morons in the woods that cannot act right. I hope this is what we where looking for because we have accomplished it. It is easy to bash one’s thoughts then to listen and understand what he is saying then helping him learn the right way. We need to take the time to listen then recess the situation and help them to learn the right way. Even if it is something you don't like. It's called hunters helping hunters. Heck this person just might be the one that saves your **** in the woods.



I have much respect for a lot of you on here and some I am starting to wonder if you are that one that feels you need to exercise your right to sit under someone’s stand while he/she is hunting it or even run your rabbit dog in front of the person running his bird dog.

We need to get back to what this place was made for and that is: HELPING! Helping each other no matter what we choose to hunt. We are hunters and that means something to me and I am sure a lot of you. We are a close knit family that needs to understand one another and keep this tradition a live. Because as soon as we lose one right we will lose them all. The anti’s have enough help they don’t need ours as well. That is what it is starting to look like on here. Just some quick examples: I love bird hunting and I hate deer hunters, I am a deer hunter but I hate small game hunters. This is just plain BS we are hunters!! Hunters with a mission and a goal to keep our tradition a live for the next person to enjoy as well.

With this said I will remove my soapbox and move on.

[drwink]

Good post TradeMark
I have seen too many posts here that make me scratch my head and say what is wrong with people. Some get my blood boiling and I have to sit back for a moment and say "I'm not going to bother replying to that post"
Just isn't worth it, one group with something in common, divided like Republicans & Democrates !

I hunted this weekend, out with the Muzzle loader, hunted for a couple hours or so, for me the best time and after 9:30-10:00 its pretty much a waste of time.
I also have dogs & considered getting them out for a run. But both mornings I heard more shooting than the two weekends in rifle season and I said to myself "no way" dogs will have to wait.
After this weekend I can get the dogs out anytime & not have to worry about them getting shot or ruining someone else's hunt.
Then I am free to run dogs till April 15th.

[ArrowHawk]

mullet39
I hunt mostly state land and I know where you are comming from, but there is nothing you can do about it. It is very frustrating but everyone does have the right to be there. You need to learn to deal with it. No matter what you are hunting for or where you are hunting there will always be something you don't like. The best thing you can do is show other hunters respect and hope they will show you the same so maybe one day all hunters can just get along, but until that happens just treat other hunters the same way you want to be treated.

Besided its not the dogs fault.

Last year I had what I thought was the prefect deer hunting spot. About 8:30 on the opening day of gun season I had seven guys come through pushing the woods and river bottom to there buddies set up on the other side of me. I never saw a deer after that.

I also had the same thing happen to me a few years ago, but that time it worked to my advantage. Since I was set up in the middle of them I was able to shot the only deer they pushed out, a 1 1/2 old Doe.

Well best of Luck to ya.

[Alibi]

I have often wished that all hunting was shut down starting Nov 10 through Nov 30 except for deer hunting. I wouldn't mind trapping only during that period but as far as hunting, just deer. That 15-day season will not take anything away from small game hunters. None of this sighting in guns at the last minute, make the quiet time, the 5 days prior, be the "quiet time". I believe many of those who are small game hunting during firearm season are just using small game hunting as an excuse to poach by hunting to help their buddy/wife fill their deer license anyway.

[Zofchak]

Mullet,

Give it time and you will become used to Michigan's seasons. I recently moved out of state and was shocked at how complicted the hunting seasons are here(in florida). One day on; 3 days off; etc. ??? :dizzy: It baffles me why anyone would come up with such a crazy system.

Most of the time small game hunters on state land are a deer hunters best friend. From my experiance hunting heavily used tracts of state land the deer worth taking quickly learn not to move much at all during the day; and if they do they move to safer areas(private property/very heavy cover). A few beagles and a rabbit hunter will put the fire under a deer that was content to spend the entire day sleeping. Chances are good that you never would have seen that deer had it not been for the small game hunters behind it.
My advice for hunting state land hunt funnels, hunt funnels, hunt funnels... ;) You have to expect other hunters in the woods while deer hunting State land, use it to your advantage.

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