Bush supporters can't see the world for what it really is...

[Buddy Lee]

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/tom_brazaitis/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1098524094184170.xml

A new report, "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" from the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, finds that a majority of Bush supporters believe things about the world that are objectively untrue while the views of a majority of Kerry supporters are grounded in reality.

[TC-fisherman]

Don't have to read the report to get that information.

All you have to do is read some of the posts on this forum by Bush supporters! :lol:

[Adam Waszak]

Well I guess you can't argue with information from Cleveland.com :lol: :lol: :lol:

AW

[Dawg]

Among the 'FACTS' of this 'editorial':

"Bush had inherited history's healthiest economy and given it the flu."

"In the almost four years since Bush took over the nation's top job, life has gotten harder for most Americans."

"...the amiable Texan has steered the country into war and recession..."

I thought the recession started before Bush took office and I thought the war was initiated by terrorists. But then "the roots of this denial may lie in the trauma of 9/11 and my desire to see Bush as a supreme protector."

The findings of some multiple choice questions are presented without showing the actual questions or the available answers. All in all some weak journalism that is so subjective it chokes itself.

The article does end with one solid point. "How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little?"

[Buddy Lee]

:lol: As usual, the Bush supporters here are missing the point, and spinning the article into their own little reality...

Here's the University of Maryland report...
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html#1

It truly shows the ignorance of the majority of Bush backers...

[TC-fisherman]

Is it really any surprise how disconnected Bush's supporters are from the reality of the world?

Best bumper stinker i saw recently.

http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/S-IfYouAreNotOutraged.gif

[n.pike]

:lol: As usual, the Bush supporters here are missing the point, and spinning the article into their own little reality...

Here's the University of Maryland report...
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html#1

It truly shows the ignorance of the majority of Bush backers...

Will all this end Nov 2? I am amazed by all this ridiculous " my president can beat up your president" talk.
With all due respect to all posts.....there must be something worthwhile to talk about.

[Adam Waszak]

N Pike you don't get it. Don't you see that President Bush took office and because of him and him alone thee are people who lost their job, 911 happened and I stubbed my toe last night! It is all his fault and he planned for this to happen too i know he did he wants there to be problems in this country it is all part of the vast right wing conspiracy :lol: :lol: :lol:

And while all of this is happening the USA is in the fastest economic growth period ever and unemployment is about where it was when Clinton the holyt one was running for re-election. HMMMMMMM

AW

[Dawg]

Coincidentally, you once again cited editorial findings. The actual data:

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Qnnaire10_21_04.pdf

[TrailFndr]

unemployment is about where it was when Clinton the holyt one was running for re-election. HMMMMMMM

AW
Have you looked at the numbers for Michigan? We have largest un-employment numbers that the state has seen in more than a decade, so how can you say they are "about the same" Its not even close...Man...the Blinders must be getting in the way again.

[n.pike]

[QUOTE=Adam Waszak]N Pike you don't get it.

Actually, I have a great grasp on it. I am concerned about the big issues.......my local rabbit population, can I improve my shooting on grouse, and are my tip-ups ready. As for the politicians.....NONE OF THEM ARE ANY GOOD. IF THEY WERE, THEY WOULD WORK FOR A LIVING. THEY WOULD HAVE TO LIVE LIKE YOU AND I
Maybe its that I just dont care. GW and Kerry are of the same demeanor and purpose as King LouisIII, its about the power and almighty $$$. I worry about what happens in my world, which generally exists between Loud and Five Channels Dams. :D

[DaveW731]

I am almost never suprised by the poor level of information on the part of the electorate. THIS Bush supporter IS aware of the opinions worldwide, of Bush's position on the International Court, etc.
I also believe that there were no WMD's in Iraq, by the time the U.S. got there, but that is a whole different can of worms....
Having been a social science researcher myself, I am a bit uncomfortable with what is a fairly sophisticated interpretation of the results, in terms of explaining the answers of Bush supporters as being a type of mass-level traumatic response. Although that could be AN explanation, there are other competing possibilities as well, including simple laziness on the part of the electorate.....besides, the issue is not what the PEOPLE think the candidate's positions are, but what the CANDIDATES think their positions are.
What I conclude from this study is the importance of teaching our children to pay attention and be responsible voters!

[Fidel Casserole]

N Pike you don't get it. Don't you see that President Bush took office and because of him and him alone thee are people who lost their job, 911 happened and I stubbed my toe last night! It is all his fault and he planned for this to happen too i know he did he wants there to be problems in this country it is all part of the vast right wing conspiracy :lol: :lol: :lol:

And while all of this is happening the USA is in the fastest economic growth period ever and unemployment is about where it was when Clinton the holyt one was running for re-election. HMMMMMMM

AW



Adam, what on earth are you talking about? Over the last 12 years EVERYTHING has been the fault of Clinton!!!

By the way....the 'fastest growing economy' was for ONE (3rd of 2003) QUARTER of a year....not for GWBs entire 4 year term!

Correct me, with proof, if I am wrong.

[Fishfoote]

Somebody's taking their classes on-line again... :piparty:

[Bwana]

Is it really any surprise how disconnected Bush's supporters are from the reality of the world?

Best bumper stinker i saw recently.

http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/S-IfYouAreNotOutraged.gif
Shouldn't the sign read: "if you're a new voter but too stupid to find your polling place your vote won't count". :lol:

[snakebit67]

[QUOTE=TC-fisherman]Is it really any surprise how disconnected Bush's supporters are from the reality of the world?



I guess that means 50 percent of the public (through polls of course) is disconnected in your view.


neighbors, some friends, maybe family?

[maddey7]

Have you looked at the numbers for Michigan? We have largest un-employment numbers that the state has seen in more than a decade, so how can you say they are "about the same" Its not even close...Man...the Blinders must be getting in the way again.

Have you ever thought of why the Michigan numbers are higher ? Could it be the automotive industry ? Have you ever been or worked at a UAW automotive plant ? Those are the laziest , most overpaid and ungrateful workers you will ever find. Why do you need to work a 1/2 hour on and take a 1/2 hour off when your job is putting a ID tag on a transmission ? Do you think that happens at Toyota or Honda. The UAW is to blame for the jobs in Michigan. With the way work rules are set up, there is no way we can compete overseas.

[Adam Waszak]

Shouldn't the sign read: "if you're a new voter but too stupid to find your polling place your vote won't count". :lol:


LMAO :lol: Or how about "Unfair! I only got to vote once". Or "Help this butterfly ballot is just too damn confusing"

:lol: :lol: I love it :lol: :lol:

AW

[huntingfool43]

Have you ever thought of why the Michigan numbers are higher ? Could it be the automotive industry ? Have you ever been or worked at a UAW automotive plant ? Those are the laziest , most overpaid and ungrateful workers you will ever find. Why do you need to work a 1/2 hour on and take a 1/2 hour off when your job is putting a ID tag on a transmission ? Do you think that happens at Toyota or Honda. The UAW is to blame for the jobs in Michigan. With the way work rules are set up, there is no way we can compete overseas.

Maddey
I for 1 am all in favor of unions but you are right, They have gotten way to greedy over the years. Trouble is all the job shops that are dependent on the BIG 3 have massive layoffs due to car sales. If people are not buying they cut back productions, and all the smaller shops have to layoff. Michigan is to dependant on the auto industries so the unemployment rate is bound to be higher. Can't blame that one on Bush. But hell according to the Dem's everthing is his fault. Kinda surprised they haven't blamed him for the Titanic sinking :lol:

[Bwana]

Maddey
I for 1 am all in favor of unions but you are right, They have gotten way to greedy over the years. Trouble is all the job shops that are dependent on the BIG 3 have massive layoffs due to car sales. If people are not buying they cut back productions, and all the smaller shops have to layoff. Michigan is to dependant on the auto industries so the unemployment rate is bound to be higher. Can't blame that one on Bush. But hell according to the Dem's everthing is his fault. Kinda surprised they haven't blamed him for the Titanic sinking :lol:
the problem is the dependency on the Automakers when the automakers are in ever shakier financial positions themselves. As Michiganders we need to diversify our economy somewhat.Or Mt. St. Helens erupting:lol:

[Buddy Lee]

Considering my experience with "the public" I'd say about 75% are complete imbeciles, much less disconnected.

--
Aaron

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[snakebit67]

Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebit67

I guess that means 50 percent of the public (through polls of course) is disconnected in your view.

neighbors, some friends, maybe family?

Considering my experience with "the public" I'd say about 75% are complete imbeciles, much less disconnected.

--
Aaron



Glad you hold me in such high esteem.

[Swamp Ghost]

While the people of Afghanistan are celebrating their first democratic election and the Iraqis are taking their first steps to democracy, the great thinkers in the Democratic Party are still polishing up their conspiracy theories about the war to liberate Iraq.

There's no consensus position, but the Democrats are pretty sure the real reason we went to Iraq was one of the following:




Bush family's connections to the Saudis,

Halliburton,

the Carlyle Group,

something about the Texas Rangers needing more left-handed pitching,

the neoconservatives,

the Straussians,

oil,

the Jews,

oily Jews.



This may be the first time in American history that the decisional calculus for many voters will be: Do I really want to throw my hat in with these crazy people? John Kerry has called the war with Iraq "a huge mistake, a catastrophic mistake." He said it was no excuse that "Saddam might have done it 10 years from now" – use weapons of mass destruction against Americans, apparently. (New Kerry campaign slogan: "Let Radical Islamic Iraq Be Radical Islamic Iraq!")



The Democrats want Saddam back. I suppose it was only a matter of time for the party that also welcomed back Marion Barry, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Al Sharpton, Frank Lautenberg, Hillary Clinton, etc., etc.

When Bush pointed out that Saddam would still be in power if Kerry were president, Kerry contradicted him, but provided no theory of how Saddam would be gone. Instead, he simply said: "Not necessarily be in power" – and then trailed off into a long-winded explanation of one of those positions on which he's "always been consistent." Maybe Saddam would still be in power – but there would have been an extremely effective and persistent opposition led by brave media pundits!

Speaking of which, where are the feminists on war with Iraq? Cameron Diaz' statement about Bush's policies – "if you think rape should be legal, then don't vote" – would have been perfectly true had she been speaking to an audience in Iraq. These people think it is constructive rape to have sex with your husband. America has just gone to war against a regime for which rape – not date rape, or pseudo-rape, or virtual rape, but real rape – was part of the official policy, and they're against regime-change.

Among his other pointless carping about the war in Iraq, Kerry keeps claiming the military is overextended. His supporters claim Bush has a secret plan to bring back the draft (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15413). Whatever happened to all those gays who wanted to join the military? We haven't heard a peep out of them lately. How about rounding up a "Coalition of the Fabulous," Sen. Kerry? And what does his good pal Mary Cheney tell him about that?

With the election a few weeks away, the two main reasons Kerry has settled on for why you should vote for him are: (1) Dick Cheney has a lesbian daughter, and (2) Halliburton!

The highlight of the debates for Moveon.org members came whenever Edwards or Kerry managed to work "Halliburton!" (http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15426) into an answer. Kerry explained he voted against the $87 billion for the troops in Iraq because, "I didn't want to give a slush fund to Halliburton." (Nor equipment to the troops (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14455), apparently.) This week, he also tied Halliburton to the flu-shot shortage, telling a Florida audience, "If Halliburton made flu shots, there would be more flu here than oranges."

Edwards raised the Democrats' brilliant "Halliburton!" point, saying: "While [Cheney] was CEO of Halliburton, they paid millions of dollars in fines for providing false information on their company – just like Enron and Ken Lay." Not only that, but Bush and Cheney have offices – just like Enron and Ken Lay. They have employees – just like Enron and Ken Lay. They pay their employees – just like Enron and Ken Lay.

The Party of Ideas is now equating Halliburton with Enron. The only surprise is that Edwards didn't throw in Watergate and Abscam just for good measure.

As even the New York Times admitted the day after the vice presidential debate, "[T]here is no evidence Mr. Cheney has pulled strings on Halliburton's behalf" and "The independent General Accountability Office concluded that Halliburton was the only company that could have provided the services the Army needed at the outset of the war."

Most amazingly, the Democrats have the chutzpah to complain that Bush claimed he was a "uniter" and yet(!), "have you ever seen America more divided?" – as the Democrats' Demosthenes Edwards put it.

This from a candidate (I almost said a "man") whose campaign falsely accused the president of stealing an election, barring a million black voters from the polls (http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15343), and sending a thousand American soldiers to their deaths just for oil.

Coincidentally, the very day of the vice presidential debate, a gun was fired into a Bush-Cheney campaign office in Bearden, Tenn. – one of a series of violent attacks on Republican offices (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15506) around the country. (You can tell it was Democrats firing those guns because none of the shots ever hit anything.)

Also that day, a group of liberal loonies stormed a Bush-Cheney office in Orlando, Fla., and ransacked the place. A few weeks earlier, a 62-year-old woman in Manhattan was beaten with a cane by an 86-year-old woman for carrying a Bush-Cheney sign.

On the basis of their own insane, violent behavior toward Republicans, Democrats demand to be put in the White House – so the violence will stop. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before the Kerry campaign announces that anti-Bush insurgents control most of the Bush-Cheney 2004 headquarters, and that the sooner the U.S. pulls out of those quagmires the better. If only we could get Democrats to show a little of that manly anger toward the terrorists, maybe Americans would be able to trust them with national security.

[WILDCATWICK]

Swamp you should seriously change your ID to THE SPIN DOCTOR :lol:

[Dawg]

Yeah, Kerry just loves to say our military forces in Iraq are overextended and he can't throw Shenseki's name around fast enough. Then just yesterday -voilla, there he is- criticizing that we're spending too much money over there. We should have more forces at a smaller cost?

Consistently inconsistent.

Wait, wait, wait! I know someone will correct Kerry's stance, "we shouldn't have gone alone, it should be a multi-national force, we shouldn't act unilaterally." But then we talk about North Korea and Bush gets criticized for multinational negotiations, "we should be negotiating unilaterally."

Consistently inconsistent.

[WILDCATWICK]

Yeah, Kerry just loves to say our military forces in Iraq are overextended and he can't throw Shenseki's name around fast enough. Then just yesterday -voilla, there he is- criticizing that we're spending too much money over there. We should have more forces at a smaller cost?

Consistently inconsistent.

Wait, wait, wait! I know someone will correct Kerry's stance, "we shouldn't have gone alone, it should be a multi-national force, we shouldn't act unilaterally." But then we talk about North Korea and Bush gets criticized for multinational negotiations, "we should be negotiating unilaterally."

Consistently inconsistent.

Dawg that one confuses me a bit. Bush had gone on record saying that he was going to leave the talks with N. Korea up to China. That it would be a unilateral action not involving the U.S.. This was his whole agenda. Probably as to not force any issues while are military is stretched way to thin. :help:

But today Colin Powel is in South Korea to start talks. This is very confusing to me. I didn't realize Bush was getting dinged for multinational talks. This even came up in the first debate. :dizzy: :help:

[Dawg]

Kerry: "I want bilateral talks which put all of the issues, from the armistice of 1952, the economic issues, the human rights issues, the artillery disposal issues, the DMZ issues and the nuclear issues on the table."

Bush: "Before I was sworn in, the policy of this government was to have bilateral negotiations with North Korea.

And we signed an agreement with North Korea that my administration found out that was not being honored by the North Koreans.

And so I decided that a better way to approach the issue was to get other nations involved, just besides us. And in Crawford, Texas, Jiang Zemin and I agreed that the nuclear-weapons-free peninsula, Korean Peninsula, was in his interest and our interest and the world's interest.

And so we began a new dialogue with North Korea, one that included not only the United States, but now China. And China's a got a lot of influence over North Korea, some ways more than we do.

As well, we included South Korea, Japan and Russia. So now there are five voices speaking to Kim Jong Il, not just one.

And so if Kim Jong Il decides again to not honor an agreement, he's not only doing injustice to America, he'd be doing injustice to China, as well.

And I think this will work. It's not going to work if we open up a dialogue with Kim Jong Il. He wants to unravel the six- party talks, or the five-nation coalition that's sending him a clear message."

"It is naive and dangerous to take a policy that he(Kerry) suggested the other day, which is to have bilateral relations with North Korea. Remember, he's the person who's accusing me of not acting multilaterally.*He now wants to take the six-party talks we have -- China, North Korea, South Korea, Russia, Japan and the United States -- and undermine them by having bilateral talks.

That's what President Clinton did.*He had bilateral talks with the North Koreans.*And guess what happened?*

He didn't honor the agreement.*He was enriching uranium. That is a bad policy."

I looked for more quotes from Kerry about what he would do and all I could find is his opinion that Bush is doing it wrong and that the world is not a safer place.

[Fuzzz]

you know, it's funny how kerry supporters think all of us bush supporters are imbeciles and don't know what's going on in the world.
as for halliburton- does anyone honestly think halliburton and enron are the only companies that are cheating and cutting corners and everything else they've done?? if so, i think the kerry people are looking in a mirror and not out a window as they look at the "stupid bush supporters" and sling their comments that are made to enlighten us and help us realize the error of our ways. so, am i to believe that there were no demoncrats involved with halliburton and enron? just the sinner, sneaky, underhanded republicans? the demoncrats must be in church praying when all the republicans are out doing their dastardly deeds.
so am i to understand kerry was going to given sadam an "honorary presidency", but really appoint someone else? how would he not be in power? yeah, i bet sadam would have gone for that :bash: - especially since we wouldn't be there is the first place, right? :bash:
because---- kerry can wish something and it will happen! really!!!
it's easy for someone like kerry to make all the statements he has made, he has never been in the position for anyone to know what he can do as president.
it's just amazing to me how people read all the junk emails about 101 reasons kerry lied or 101 reasons bush shouldn't be president, and then armed with those farcities stand at the watercooler discussing "politics".
if you want to be a demoncrat, be a demoncrat (and yes, it is supposed to be spelled like that), but don't pretend to tell us how we need to see the light, we're living in darkness and we need to be helped.
if kerry is elected, he is elected. not much will change. 4 years isn't long enough to turn the economy around and create 50 trillion billion kazillion jobs in the United States so that not only does everyone have a job, but most have 2 or 3!! not all of us bush supporters are real happy with him, so be it. but, for why in cripes sake is it that every kerry supporter thinks the US is going to the fireworld in an easterbasket if kerry isn't elected??? most of those that i hear "discussing politics" cared more about what's left in the toilet after you've flushed than politics 2 months ago!
vote how you want to vote, just vote. i'm going to vote, and i hate when people try to tell me i'm stupid for voting the way i'm going to vote. I'm voting for c**psandwhich (inside joke for south park watchers)

[zimm16]

Kerry supporters have blinders on. Well maybe just kerry, he does look like a horse. How can any sportsman vote for that guy. He voted to ban all semi automatic weapons. That would outlaw the widly used semi automatic shotgun. This guy dosnt even know where he stands how can he know where america should be.

[Adam Waszak]

Has anyone seen Kerry today with the red sox hat on? My god herman munster as little league coach :lol: :lol: I am 100% serious here sorry to get off subject a little here.

AW