bow problems need some help

[KEN C]

I have a browning single cam Arro Hunter 30" draw 65 lbs. I use a very old pistol grip release. The problem I am having is inconsistent groups where I get a arrows that go way left. I think my problem is the release I am using it is a very old circa 1986 pistol grip style release. I am considering changing to a newer style ball bearing release with a loop on the string. This will give me I think a more consistent anchor point and less string torque? which I think is causing my problem. I took pics of my set up and will try to post on here. Looking for any and all input on what to do. I am thinking replace the string approx 3 yrs old, go to a loop and a new release ball bearing type. Also I do not know if you will see it in the pic, but do you notice the extreme wear on the right side of the arrow rest? what would cause this.
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okay I cry uncle on the pics, lol i have no idea what i did wrong

[Robert W. McCoy Jr]

I am no bow guru. But there are alot of guys who are on here maybe they can help.

Here are the pics.



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[shortbox11]

hey ken , were are you at in howell ?
if you have time I can probably help out if you want to come over the house. I live down the street from sefas, and have targets in the backyard.
ive got loop material and can tie one on for ya.



let me no , i dont plan on going hunting till friday night.

[Banditto]

Could you be punching the trigger?

[east bay ed]

ken,
just a couple of things. a loop is always a good idea in my opinion, but do not buy a ball bering release. buy some type of caliper style release if you are going to a loop. if you are getting more weatr on one side of the rest then the other you could be out of tune, the rest might need to be moved to the right just a little and the spring tension needs adjusting, or you could be torqing the bow. or you could be in need of new bushings for the cam or have a limb problem. hard to say for sure without having the bow in my hand. i would try the first two things then if that doesn't work go to the next.
good luck

[Erik]

I think I would put some new shrink tube on that arrow rest first. Reset the knock point, and check the rest posistion and make sure it's centered. Then fine tune from there. Make sure the arrows spin true also. And when your anchoring try holding the release a little bit out away from your face/lower jaw. Sometimes people develop a little torque on the string when they anchor tight against their face.
Just trying to help.
If worse comes to worse try taking it over there to Vans archery, or some other pro shop. They should be able to help you out.
good luck!

[KEN C]

okay guys this is all good. I did check with my bow square and it looks good there. I think the old old release due to its design torques the bow. Like one of you said I could be holding it to tight to my face which would cause the right arrow rest to get more pressure? I will replace the shrink wrap on the right side. I really want to go to a caliper style release with a loop, iy just seems like a clean system then what I have today. I was thinking of going over to bass pro this AM and getting it set up. Any opionions on there pro staff? should i go somewhere else. I am at work in Auburn Hills so some where close to here would be good. Again thanks to all of you allot of good feed back.

[Joe Archer]

I think if you are having trouble with arrow flight you should always start with the basics. Do you have the correct spine arrows for your draw weight and broadhead? Do you have good fletch clearance on your rest? If yes to the above, have you paper tuned your bow this year? If your bow is tuned and you have the correct spine, how fast are you shooting and do you shoot fixed blades or mechanicals. Once you are sure of your set up you can worry about form. <----<<<

[shortbox11]

here is the release that I use , is a very good one. ive ahd it for four years now without a problem.
the trigger is adjustable to fit your finger.

http://www.truball.com/Pages/3deluxetornado.html

fletch hunter also makes a very good release that is a cam action and doesnt have any springs. I have one of those also for 12 years and it hasnt failed yet.
http://www.fletcherarchery.com/ShortyFletchmatic.html#top

hope this helps
short

[KEN C]

Again thanks to all for the input. I just returned from Bass Pro and got some great help from one of there pro staff. We went thru everything on the bow. String was good. Cams and bushings all good. Rest set up properly. Arrows size and grain tip all good. set at 61 lbs. All said and done no deffects in the bow and the set up looked good to him. I had him put a loop on and I purchased a tru-flite caliper release. I tried allot of different releases while I was there on there dry fire bow(very cool). I found the tru fire hurricane to suit me the best. I tried it while I was there and was amazed at how smooth the release was. The Pro staff fella at bass pro thought this would improve my groups... I will be testing it out tonight and will let you know how it works out. Like I said in my earlier post I have been shooting the bow since August the way it was, it was the ocasional left flyer that was bugging me I hope this corrects the problem. I will be sure to pay attention to my form also.

[Trippin' Dipsies]

I had a problem with inconsistentcy last fall. I took it to Archers & Anglers in New Baltimore...where they proceeded to tell me I needed a new string, a drop away rest, etc... And it cured nothing.

I then took it down to Shubachs (spelling?) down in Jackson. Within 5 minutes they discovered a cam out of alignment. Needless to say...some guys know their bows and others know how to make money.

[KEN C]

Oh well I hope this guy at Bass pro knew what he was talking about. The did have an award from the Detroit News voted best Pro shop in Metro area. He seemed real knowledgeable and took his time to answer all my questions. :)

[strat69]

I had brought that very same pistol grip release out of moth-balls earlier this year and tried to shoot it with my Golden Eagle Pro Revolution at 68 pounds....I had the same thing. Decent groups with an occasional flyer. Figureing I had a torque problem I went to a caliper and my grouping was much more consistent ....also, you will probably notice a difference in the "loudness" of the release. When those old ones let go there is quite a loud "click"....


I hope it works out for you!

[KEN C]

Strat69
That is good to know, I really think that was allot of my problem. Old dogs learmn new tricks some times. That release was like a old friend, been using it since 1986 and have taken plenty of deer. When I got into the new bow a few years ago I just carried it over. I have never felt 100 percent confident with this new bow. I agree with you on the noise also, this new caliper is quiet as a mouse.

[Banditto]

Cam alignment that was mentioned might be a good thing to check. A simple thing is check if your string stretched--which if you haven't changed it in 5 years it is probably due. Contact the manufacturer of your bow and find out what the axle pin to axle pin measurement should be.

[KEN C]

The guy at bass pro checked alignment and the dim from pin to pin. I had the owners manual and it was within the spec. The bow is only 3 years old. The guy at bass pro said next year I should replace it, he said on average every 4 years unless it shows abnormal wear and tear.

[TnRidge]

By looking at your pics ,it looks like your centershot is off to the left ? One quick way to tell is to look down at your nocked arrow from above ,and line the arrow up with the limb bolts ,then check to see if the arrow is centered down the length of the stablilizer .

[Banditto]

While TnRidge is right, on some older bows (circa that one) the limbs twist slightly when drawn so eye balling will get it close but not perfect. The problem is one limb twists one way, and the other twists the opposite way. It can lead to loss of hair.

To get it right you really need tools and shoot it to see what it is doing.

[KEN C]

Center shot? Hmmm as long as the string and rest are aligned it should be good? Ok now I will have to check that out. I have paper tuned before and that was never a issue. The bow is only 3 yrs old so when you say Circa that bow have they really changed that much in 3 years? The bow is a single cam Browning similar to a matthews or one of thoses types.... I have all the set up tools for a bow. I have been shooting for 20 years so not new to the sport. Thanks for all the advice, you have all given me allot of things to look at.

[KEN C]

thank you all for your advice.
I shot the new set up yesterday a 100 arrows or so. I am amazed at the precision I am getting. I had allways limited myself to 20 yds shoots. Yesterday I was drilling tacks at 30 yds and even bbacked up to 40 yds. The speed seems better, the accuaracy is excellent and I was on mark all the time. Point pull the trigger and it hits the target where i want it to. Confidence in the weapon is sky high now. The biggest adjustment was in the up down on all the pins. My sight window is now where it is supposed to be and it feels so comfortable to shoot. The arrow flight is so straight now its amazing... I guess I will put that old release in the archery museum at my house lol again thanks for all the advice. And thanks to the bass pro archery shop for setting me up.