snyper broadheads

[plugger]

A month ago I had my bow dialed in with broadheads ( muzzys) which I have shot for many years but the last couple of days they seem eratic while my field points are grouping fine. I decided to try a snyper that my son had bought but didnt use as he decided to stay with muzzys. Shot fine in practice so I screwed one on and went hunting. I got a chance to test this blade under actual conditions and love what I saw Huge entrance, complete pass through and good exit. Broke a couple of ribs and the blade held up fine. I had tried mechanicals several years ago and had poor results. I would recomend these heads to anyone looking for a mechanical! I still will probably go back to muzzys when I get things figured out, just because I have killed so many deer with them and never had one fail me.

[Byron]

plugger,

I switched to the Snypers last year, and have never seen a report of these heads failing. Everyone who uses them on game says the same, large entrance wound, deep penetration and durable. Not much more to ask for, given their perfect field point flight.

Stick with 'em! You'll never shoot a deer with one and wish you'd shot a Muzzy instead.

Good luck,
Byron

[tommy-n]

I have had mixed results using the snipers,first deer was a complete pass through perfect double lung shot and only 50 yards to the downed deer.However, the second deer was not a perfect shot,to high and the head only penatrated 1" and the main body of the broadhead, the alluminum ferrule was badly bent.At first I was really impressed with the results,but after the second deer anyone could easily see the head cannot stand up to bone.I have since switched to the nap shockwave,I am not saying it's any better I am just somewhat leary on the durability of the sniper. Just my 2 cents ;)

[Byron]

tommy-n,

So you made a bad shot and blame the broadhead for not holding up? I don't get it. Say you shot a NAP Shockwave and it held up perfectly, but penetrated no further. Does that make it a better head? Same result, no penetration against hard bone (spine or "T" of the shoulder blade, likely). No broadhead will penetrate anything that stops a Snyper in 1". Broadheads aren't intended to be shot at these hard targets.

I've had Snypers blast through ribs and one spine shot that dropped the doe on the spot. Even with the spine shot, the head was undamaged.

Best Regards,
Byron

[tommy-n]

What are you a sales rep for the thing or what? I said it was a bad shot,I just don't want to use anything that bends that easily, the main body of the thing bent :mad:

[Robert W. McCoy Jr]

I like hearing the good and bad.

I had a pucket blood trailer fail on me before. I wouldn't say there bad broad heads but like you I lost my confidence in them.

[Byron]

At first I was really impressed with the results,but after the second deer anyone could easily see the head cannot stand up to bone.
What are you a sales rep for the thing or what? I said it was a bad shot,I just don't want to use anything that bends that easily, the main body of the thing bent :mad:
I'm not a sales rep for anything. My objection is to the implication that any broadhead that bends when shot into solid bone is inferior. You didn't answer any of my questions. What good is a "tough" broadhead shot into hard bone? If you're going to shoot into hard bone, you aren't going to penetrate it. So what's the difference if the head bends or not then? Your post sounded a lot like, "I shot this head into a cinder block and it got bent! What a piece of junk!" You're holding the head up to an unreasonable standard.

Now, if it got bent on a rib or an upper leg bone, even, your point would be valid. These are part of the vital target area, and a head should be able to withstand contact with them.

Bottom line, the broadhead didn't fail in the second shot, so don't blame it. If you don't want to use it, great, but don't tell everyone else not to use it because you made a bad shot.

Best Regards,
Byron

[tommy-n]

Have you ever seen that site for broadhead tests ? they shoot them through steel drums,tires,plywood ect. to see how durable they are. I just prefer to use something more durable,like I said I know it was a bad shot.I am glad you like them, and I can tell your one of those people that has to get the last word in, your entitled to your opinion and so am I. I hope you never make a bad shot,then you will never have to see the heads weakness ;)

[Byron]

tommy-n,

I've seen 5shot's test results. The Snypers did quite well, part of the reason I switched to them in the first place. You are definitely entitled to your opinion.

Don't worry about me, I've made good shots, bad shots and marginal shots. So far with the Snyper, two good shots, one marginal (spine), and three harvests. I'll do my best to avoid the bad shot.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

Best Regards,
Byron

[tommy-n]

Good night Bryon, I have to get up early to go hunting in the morning and good luck to ya when you go :)

[Byron]

I'll be out there, too. Hope your Shockwaves find their way to the boiler room! :)

Best Regards,
Byron

[mich buckmaster]

Shot a deer last year that weighed 315 pounds on the hoof and I shot the deer right in the shoulder. The arrow went in 6 inches and the deer piled up 50 yards away. When I skinned that deer out the arrow went through the BALL of the shoulder. Incredible!!!!!

I also shot a nice 8 point this year using the same head!!

[chrisjan_81]

Awesome head when it stays away from heavy bone. I had one break in half when it hit the shoulder of a nice buck last year. not what i wanted to see, but i know i didnt put the arrow where i should have. Again, awesome head, recommend it, even for lower KE bows.

[holzy]

I love it......anytime there is a post regarding Snypers, there are three members you're guaranteed to see reply......ME, BYRON, and MICH-BUCKMASTER :lol:

I LOVE Snypers and you'll be hard pressed to find a sharper mechanical who performs time and time again with an impressive (to say the least) entrance hole.

Good luck huntin!

[Byron]

I was wondering when you'd get in on these Snyper threads again, holzy!

How about this one? Look familiar? This is the ENTRANCE wound from Saturday evening.
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/520/864Snyper_Entry-med.jpg

The blades went in vertically THROUGH the middle of a rib, both lungs, heart and out the far side shoulder - ran 40 yds to drop in sight. The very tip of the front blade was slightly curled, most likely from hitting rocks in the dirt. Other than that, the head was in perfect shape. I'll resharpen it and use it again.

Best Regards,
Byron

[holzy]

Awesome!! I wish I took pics of the entrance holes on the three that we shot on Friday. Two of the bucks my dad and brother shot were "less that optimal" hits.....basically gut shots. However, neither one went more than 120 yards and they were opened up like a Thanksgiving Turkey. The third deer was double lunged and only went 50 yards.

C-ya

[explodingvarmints]

hey guys,

i have been using wasp jack-hammer sst 100 gr. for the past 2 or 3 years and have shot 5 deer with them. all but one shot was double lung and the deer averaged about 60 to 70 yards till pile up. my question is this how would you rank the jack-hammer to the snyper? what does the snyper do to get an entrance hole like that (impressive)? what is the cutting dim. pretty much what are the particulars..... if you would not mind; i am always looking to upgrade with faster cleaner killing tools
thanks
matt

[Byron]

Matt,

I'm glad you've had good luck with the Jak-Hammer. Wasp makes a great head. I used fixed-blade Hammers before switching to the Snyper. Since the Jak-Hammer is a jackknife-style head, it will deliver a smaller entrance wound and less penetration than the sliding cam-action blades of the Snyper. Here's an illustration from their site.

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/520/864Snyper-Arrowhead.gif


Check out more info on their site here (http://www.rockymtbroadheads.com/01-snyper.html). Let me know if you have more questions! I only recommend them because I know they work.

Best Regards,
Byron

[mich buckmaster]

The entrance hole on the 8 point that I shot this year was, well, A HOLE!!!!!

Man I couldnt believe it. Those things are going to be in my quiver until something negative happens. As of now I cant compain.

[Byron]

Just got done quartering another deer that fell to the Snyper. Took a doe tonight quartering slightly away at 15 yards. Even bigger entrance wound than the last one, another double-lung pass through and another 40 yard trail to my deer. She dropped just out of sight, but I heard her go down. I did manage to slightly bend one of the main blades, but that was from hitting a tree after passing through the doe. I'd say that's forgivable!

These things don't quit! I'll try to post pictures of the entrance on this doe tomorrow.

Best Regards,
Byron

[fairfax1]

Same question I posted on a Snyper thread begun a couple of weeks ago: namely, for all of you who are using Snypers satisfactorily what is the KE you are getting out of your rig (at muzzle, so to speak, not 20yds out).

And, at your KE are you getting complete passthrus?

What if you clip a rib...entrance or exit, or both?

In short, I'm trying to determine just how powerful of a rig do you need in order to blow all the way through a broadside deer when using Snypers.

[plugger]

I dont what my ke is but I am shooting a pse mach 8 at 76# so it is a bit. On the one deer I shot with the snyper I broke one rib and still got a pasthrough. I hope to have a couple more examples to post after the weekend!

[holzy]

I'm not sure what mine is either but I pull 71 lbs, 29" draw at 275 fps.

My dad shoots 28" draw, 54lbs at 220 fps and gets pass thru's on every deer he hits with the snyper (provided a non-shoulder hit)

[fairfax1]

Thanx guys.

I watch my KE like a hawk on all combos of my rig...new arrows, new heads, changing draw weight, changing fletching, etc.

It's easy to figure...particularly if you've already got the speed chrono'd. In essence it is: speed squared x arrow weight divided by 450,240; or, SxSxW / 450,240.

The resulting number gives you the foot lbs of energy the arrow is delivering to the target, (like what you see in the ballistics tables for firearm ammunition).

I try to gear up my rig for about 56lbs (at muzzle so to speak, or, chrono'd about 3ft after leaving the rest).

Over the years I've found that shooting 125grn Thunderheads with their 1-3/8" 3-bladed diameter, I'll get a pass thru most every time on a broadside deer at no more than 20yds...even if I cut the entry & exit rib.

What I'm trying to determine is: can I reduce my draw weight ....I'm getting older, guys.....and my KE, and still get pass-thrus if I use a different head with at least 3 blades. Will the Snyper, or a Tradition, or G-5, or Mzzy 1" 4bld, and so on and so on, get me the pass-thru I want even if I go down to say, 52lbs of KE?

That's why I'm following these Snyper threads to determine just what KE are you fellows who are having such satisfactory experiences using.

Appreciated your responses.

[tommy-n]

I think the sniper opens easier than most of the other mechanicals out there,requiring less kinetic energy,and they do stay open after penatration.My only complaint was the main body of the head should be more durable.Most two blade heads require less energy to get a full pass through. :)

[plugger]

If your worried about penatration you might want to try some of the new heads that are supposed to fly so well. I will probably buy a new bow this winter and plan on trying some different fixed heads. In the past I was able to get muzzys to fly well and the penatration was awesome, I would purposely break a front shoulder on a quartering shot and had just great results.

[Byron]

Just thought I'd let you guys know I field-tested another Snyper tonight on a nice doe (#3 this year so far). Another double lung pass-through shot and 40 yard trail to where I heard her crash. Best entrance hole yet!

Best Regards,
Byron

[wecker20]

I've shot wasp fixed heads for fifteen years and have never had a problem w/ failure. But, they do not group like a field tip and I never got the arrow to paper test perfect. I have been wanting to switch to a mechanical and here are a few questions about the Snyper. Can you practice w/ them? Can you replace the blades? Will these group like a field tip? I've read about the performance so those questions were asked already. If I hit a rib or two, I expect no failure. Is this true? I've always had pass throughs and no failures w/ my current heads. I've hit the shoulder on the oppisite side of contact and the head was still okay. That doesn't really matter cause it's a kill shot and I don't expect a broadhead to holdup to that abuse. Thanks

[Byron]

wecker20,

I switched from Wasp fixed heads to Snypers last year. I had the same issues you did. You can practice with them if you like. You can just use one to practice and not worry about blade wear, or you can wire the blades shut for practice. I personally don't worry about practicing with them. They hit exactly where field points do, so no reason to. The blades are easily replaceable with a .050 allen wrench. I've nicked ribs several times with them, and had no problems. I shot an 8 year old doe Friday with one, and sliced diagonally through an entire rib on entry and nicked a rib on the way out. Still had a complete pass through and no damage to the head.

Good luck,
Byron