No-Peep Review

[mkelly619]

HI Group-

Just wanted to let you all know that I picked up one of those "no-peeps" based on the discussions that we had here a few weeks ago.

It was not at all difficult to get set up - took a little time is all. All told about 20 minutes.

Shot with it yesterday, and let me tell you .....where were these things???? My bow will never see a peep sight again. I even shot with it at low light (which is the main reason that I got rid of my regular peep) and it works great.

I'm telling you that this is the best $40 I've ever spent on my bow. I highly recommend this thing.

[Steve]

Why don't you post a product review of it in our product review section?

[mkelly619]

Thanks Steve - I didn't know there was a product review section (duh!). I'll check it out.....

[szokr1]

Where did you get it from? I have looked everywhere and half the people give me strange looks when i ask them if they carry the No-Peep....I have really thought about getting this on my Bow before the season opener, but I was afraid that I would not have it sighted in time.

Brian

[mkelly619]

I ordered mine from Cabelas. I think it was about $40 and I got it in about 4 days. Not sure where they carry them around here. Maybe Gander Mountain? I didn't check. I know that Bay Archery in Bay City does not have them.

You'll have no problem getting it on and sighted in before the season. Seriously - from start to finish it took me about 20 minutes and I had six arrows in the heart foam within 30 minutes of taking the no-peep out of the package.

I don't usually talk about how much I like a product, but this is great. Bring on those "last light" deer this year!

(edited: okay it probably took me an hour - I forgot about mounting it to the bow which took about 20 minutes. I guess what I am saying is that "sighting" it in doesn't take long at all.)

[szokr1]

THanks for the info, I am heading to the Cabelas website once I submit this thread!!

Brian

[Moe]

When I bought mine I got it right through their website.

[Kevin]

I got my at Gander on M59

[Byron]

I've been using the No-Peep on my bows for four seasons now. They are the best peep sight replacement/eliminator there is. Do a search on this site and you'll find some good info, as well. I have no affiliation with the company, just like recommending good products when I find them.

One piece of advice: Go to their website and buy it. KEY: buy the "Blem" model!!! I know this sounds like you're buying factory seconds out of the scrap bin, but it simply isn't so. Every one I've bought has been a Blem, and I've never been able to find so much as a scratch on one, and they come with full factory warranty. Their customer service is top-notch, as well. If you have questions, you can call them up and they'll talk to you like you went to high school with them.

www.timberline-archery.com (http://www.timberline-archery.com/) and click on "No-Peep". The Blem is going for $32.98 right now.

Good luck,
Byron

[Moe]

I got the "blem" a few years ago when I ordered mine. I left my bow in my truck one night in January after I got done shooting and the next day I got it out and there was condensation all over the glass part. I just simply emailed the company and they sent me the no-peep itself with no questions asked. Very impressive customer service. I'll definately have one on all my bows from now on.

[szokr1]

Alright guys, here is my review...Holy smokes, why did I wait so long, I was nervous about making a change this close to the season, but at the same time i did not want to tolerate my peep any longer, after last year being trapped in a tree with a nice doe under me, and not a chance in the world of seeing what i was shooting at....I finally broke down and ordered the No-Peep on Monday, well my package came yesterday and i had it on my bow ready to shoot within 35 minutes. Took the bow out back and starting sighting in and within another 20 minutes I had destroyed two of my arrows. (expensive lesson i never learn on)

this thing is incredible, I cannot believe how well it works!!

Keep in mind, I have been shooting a ton of arrows for the last month, my form and anchor points come naturally, when i bolted the No-Peep on my bow, I felt as if I never made a change, simply draw back, see the No-Peep in my perifial, line the pin and let her fly, udderly incredible, and allows me that extra 20-30 minutes in the woods!! :SHOCKED:

If you havent purchased on yet, I recommend it!!

Thanks for all the input guys, I am glad I was talked into this!!

Brian

[mkelly619]

Told 'ya!

Pretty cool isn't it?

[bigair]

I have been looking at these , but don't like the idea of having to take my eye off the sight to check another device. How well does it show up in low lighting?

[mkelly619]

I had the same concern, but it isn't an issue. You see the no-peep in your peripheral vision. Sure, you'll be looking at it - then your sights -= for the first few dozen arrows, but after that you don't look at it -directly- at all.

[szokr1]

I have been looking at these , but don't like the idea of having to take my eye off the sight to check another device. How well does it show up in low lighting?


Bigair, as already stated, you see this in your perifieal vision, it trains you to draw back to your anchor points. After about a dozen arrows, I can draw back with my eyes closed, get in position, open eyes and i am dead on.

As far as low lighting, I was out last night shooting with three friends and they had to stop a good 20 minutes before me, I continued on shooting at a 30 yard target with perfect placements.

Again, I recommend it!!

Brian

[bucknduck]

Do you have multiple pins on your bow? If so, any problems shooting with multiple pins? I went to a local archery store yesterday to have a hind sight installed, and they were just short of refusing to install it after i told them that I had a 3 pin system on my bow. They said the anchor point would be different for each pin, so I'm just wondering if the same is true for the no-peep? With the peep, i can shoot all 3 pins using the same anchor point but then I have to deal with low light.
If I do get the no-peep installed, I can go through a couple hundred arrows this week before the opener. I went through around 100 arrows on sunday alone (yes shoulder is a little sore):) sighting in my broadheads and shooting from unknown distances from around 15 yards on out to over 35 yards.

[szokr1]

I have three pins on my bow, and I have no problem, my anchor point is the same regardless of which pin I look at. Again, this device is so simple it is amazing, and if you have been shooting as much as you state, you will spend about 30 minutes setting up before you destroy your first arrow trying to see if your groups have changed!! :yikes:

I was just as skepticle as you, the guys I have been shooting with nightly laughed at me when I said I was making a change this close to the season, after last night when they couldnt see and I was consistently hitting bulls eyes at 30 yards, both swore they were ordering theirs today!!

Good luck either way!

Brian

[bucknduck]

Szokr1,
Thanks for the additional info, I started shooting around lunch time and since it was so nice out yesterday my family and I ate lunch outside while I shot. and by the 3rd round of 30 shots was halfway through, my shoulder was popping each time i drew back and I still handn't shot my broadheads yet. For some reason when I shot the first round, I had a couple of misses and I wanted to correct it so I spent the next 2 rounds adjusting my pins and anchor point.
With the breaks that I took, by the time I finished with shooting broadheads, I could smell dinner cooking. :)

[bucknduck]

well, I just about took off the afternoon from work to go have a no-peep installed and from what I understood the no peep worked as a rear sight. I called the archery store ahead and they told me that its not a rear sight like the hind sight, and that you can't see through it to line it up with your pin. You look at it to make sure the bow is not torqued then you have to adjust again, possibly changing your anchor point to look at your pins? They said most people who purchase these no-peeps eventually remove them or return them because they are misleading. My jaw dropped! I guess if I wan't to eliminate the peep, I'm either going to have to go with the hind sight (which seems to be a good choice), or a scope ( a little pricey but might be worth it). I have a 3 pin system so I think either choice will require me to have a primary pin and the other 2 pins will be lined up as secondary pins. Any comments?

[Sib]

bucknduck,
I think it's best to use the product that give you the most confidence in your shooting. Some of the reasons your proshop shared with you are some of the very reason I didn't go with the No-Peep. Once I get my line of sight I don't want to have to worry about using my peripheral vision, I just want to concentrate on my target, so I went with the Hind Sight. The Hind Sight seems to fit my K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) philosophy.

I don't want to bash the No-Peep, as I've never used it. And judging by the comments of those using the product I think it has to be a pretty good product. If it sucked, I don't think folks here would have a problem telling us, but most seem to love the product. Again, confidence and using what gives us confidence is the key to finding the right set-up.

I'll never use a peep again, I always considered the peep as the weakest link on my bow.

[mkelly619]

I'm not sure why the guy at the pro shop would tell you that you will have different anchor points with each sight. You don't have that without the no-peep, why would you have it with? That would be enough BS to make me not visit that pro shop again. They apparently don't understand how it works.

As previously stated, you need to use whatever gives you the most confidence. I have a ton of confidence with the no-peep. I looked at the hind sights but was concerned that I would lose efficiency in low light conditions. Exactly the reason that I got rid of the standard peep. A lot of guys swear by them, but it just didn't look like it was my cup of tea.

I use a Keller pendulum. No problem with the no-peep. There will be no problem with a 3 or 4 pin set up. As far as people returning them, I have not heard that. Believe me, I did a TON of research on this thing before I plopped down $40. 95% of the comments that I heard were positive. I can only tell you that I am pleased with the no-peep.

The no-peep as far as I can tell does two things. First, like your shop told you it tells you if your bow is torqued. Well, that's something that you'd want to know before the arrow leaves the bow, right? Second, the no-peep commits you to the same anchor point everytime - just like a regular peep. No, you don't look THROUGH it like a hind sight, but you can place it in line of sight with your pins (just off to the side) and you see it everytime when you are looking at your pins. You don't take your eyes off your pins. Hard to explain, but like I said earlier - you see it in your peripheral vision and it DOES NOT screw up your sight line in any way.

By the way guys - I have no affiliation with the company and did my own research. I know I sound like a preacher here, but I hate to think of the deer that I've passed up on because of low light conditions and my old peep. The won't happen again- and I hope that of few of you can benefit from my experience. My thought was it's only $40 to try out and know for sure.

I ordered mine from Cabelas because they have a pretty liberal return policy. I figured that if it didn't work for me, I'd just package it up and return it. That ain't gonna happen with mine.

[Oct.1]

It sounds like there may be some confusion about the hindsight and the no peep.
The hindsight requires you to reposition your bow after you sight in on the target with the primary pin.
I’ve heard a lot about the no peep. I now wear trifocals but that’s not the reason I want the No Peep. The rubber tube on the zero peep makes a popping sound when I release. I really want to get rid of that. I have been looking for something including a red dot scope.
It sounds like the No Peep may be what I am looking for. I ordered one and it should arrive tomorrow. I won’t be installing it till the opener is over. I have all my own tuning equipment so if it doesn’t work I can get back to the Zero Peep within a few minutes. Oh by the way, I am left-handed, so the no peep should install different unless I do my normal and modify it. I’ll let you know when I’m done. Hopefully this will help.
Good luck everyone.

[bucknduck]

Thanks for the additional input, thats why it was a jaw dropping experience for me when I was told this information over the phone. All this time I had nothing but high expectations of the no-peep and to hear this over the phone was like being told that there is no santa claus (there is a santa claus right?). My bow is dialed in to connect with its intended target, so at this point I will probably hold off for another month and make changes later in the year.
Thanks again for the input and Best of luck to everyone this season.

[mkelly619]

Yes there is a Santa Clause LOL. Good luck.

[Byron]

bucknduck,

You can add the No-Peep to your bow without changing anything else, then take off your current peep. No need to change your anchor, form, sights or anything else.

Your pro-shop guy is misleading you, and that's probably why he has other customers that return them or think they've been misled. Read the information on their website www.timberline-archery.com (http://www.timberline-archery.com/) and look for reviews around here and other sites. If so many guys didn't like them, you wouldn't see so many positive reviews.

Whatever you've read, don't think of this as ANY kind of sight. Think of it as a really accurate peep you don't have to look through. This will get you a little closer to what it really is.

Good luck,
Byron

[Byron]

One other thing,

With the No-Peep, there is no such thing as a "primary pin". In fact, you could use it for instinctive shooting without any sight pin at all! It simply lets you know if your anchor point or form have changed.

I will say that you've identified one of the two main reasons I'll never use a hindsight type device: the primary pin concept is ridiculous. The other reason is the cluttered sight picture you get with it. With the No-Peep, the sight picture is tremendously more open.

Good luck,
Byron

[szokr1]

bucknduck,

You can add the No-Peep to your bow without changing anything else, then take off your current peep. No need to change your anchor, form, sights or anything else.

Your pro-shop guy is misleading you, and that's probably why he has other customers that return them or think they've been misled. Read the information on their website www.timberline-archery.com (http://www.timberline-archery.com/) and look for reviews around here and other sites. If so many guys didn't like them, you wouldn't see so many positive reviews.

Whatever you've read, don't think of this as ANY kind of sight. Think of it as a really accurate peep you don't have to look through. This will get you a little closer to what it really is.

Good luck,
Byron


This is exactly what I was trying to say....but in a lot more words....

:evil: Brian

[brdhntr]

bucknduck,
I think it's best to use the product that give you the most confidence in your shooting. Some of the reasons your proshop shared with you are some of the very reason I didn't go with the No-Peep. Once I get my line of sight I don't want to have to worry about using my peripheral vision, I just want to concentrate on my target, so I went with the Hind Sight. The Hind Sight seems to fit my K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) philosophy.

I don't want to bash the No-Peep, as I've never used it. And judging by the comments of those using the product I think it has to be a pretty good product. If it sucked, I don't think folks here would have a problem telling us, but most seem to love the product. Again, confidence and using what gives us confidence is the key to finding the right set-up.

I'll never use a peep again, I always considered the peep as the weakest link on my bow.

Someone may have mentioned this, as I'm not through the thread, but using the NoPeep is less intrusive than using a level on your sight. I shoot a one pin moveable sight, and have shot 3d with it out to 60 yds, and never had a single problem. It's been on my bow for over a year, and I've never had any of the problems the pro shop claimed to have seen. My bet is it is more a problem with setting it up properly than the NoPeep itself.

[Oct.1]

I am bumping this back because I said I would report on the No Peep.
I installed it a couple days ago. I was a bit leery about it when it first arrived. I tried looking through it while in my basement under low light conditions and was not satisfied.
However now that I have it on the bow I found there is enough light outside to satisfy what I call low light. Low light to me is when I cannot distinguish the ground from my 3D target. Got to admit it still works in what most would call no light. I have fired half a dozen arrows with very good groups at very low light conditions. I will have to move my sights down a little but I will do that when I take the zero-peep off my bow and faithfully use the No-Peep. I have a hunt set up this weekend and the bow is shooting perfect. I don’t want to change anything yet.
All in all I really think this thing is what it is cracked up to be. It just may be what I am looking for at a moderate price. The zero-peep works fine but the elastic band snaps quite loud and I want to eliminate that. So far I am going to give it a B+ rating. That may move up to an A- when I start using it faithfully. Why an A-? Because it’s a bit difficult to align when you install it. It’s so critical that a slight movement left or right, up or down really accentuates the position of the alignment of the internal dot. The locking screws will move it also. Last but not least, there is a warning in the instructions about lens care.

[mkelly619]

THanks for the report. Yes, it is quite sensitive to a change in alignment. I noticed that by using the fine adjustment screws, you can turn them less than 1/4 revolution and put the middle dot out of the green ring. Just takes a little massaging to get it quite right.

One thing that I neglected to mention was the fact that I loc-tited the screws that hold it to the bow. I don't really think it was necessary, but just in case.

I haven't had horns in range yet, but have drawn back on a couple of does just to see if I could get away with it and to see how the no-peep worked under "real" conditions. No problem. Can't wait to let one fly.

[krt]

I tried one for a day but finally gave up. I became frustrated because I couldn't get it positioned exactly where it neede to be. The screws either moved it too far or not far enough. I'm not giving up on it, though. I'm just going to wait until after season.

[Hawker]

I went to Cabela's a month ago specifically to buy the No Peep and have it installed on my bow. I wanted it because I am left-eye dominant, shoot right-handed and have lousy vision in my right eye and looking through a peep certainly doesn't help matters. The web site for the manufacturer said the No Peep would set the anchor point so I could shoot with both eyes open.

I was called back into the bow installing area at Cabela's because the techie was having trouble figuring out where to put the No Peep on my bow. When I told him about my eye dominance issue, he said that it wouldn't work because my sight pins couldn't be rotated so they could be seen clearly by my left eye--my left eye would only see the side of the pin, not the illuminated part.

I don't know why I was so stupid, but I actually accepted that statement as holy writ. Just now, I went and drew my bow as normal with my left eye closed, lining up the peep sight and pins with my right eye. Then I opened my left eye. Lo and behold, I could see my pins perfectly. As a geometry teacher, I should have known better. There's only a few degrees of difference between right and left eye alignment to the pins. The only question is the amount of adjustment in my sight and whether that can be moved enough to compensate for shooting based on alignment with my left eye.

Not going to do anything about it now, but I'll definitely try one next season, even if I have to send the bow to Timberline to have them install it.

[choop]

Okay, I have my no peep installed, adjusted and shot for quite a while on Saturday. Big difference is the fact that I can shoot so much later with less light. I am yet to but one arrow on top of the other but it does what it says and lets me know when I am torquing the bow. I am shooting as well as I did with the peep at this point and with alot less light than I could with a peep. I think with practice this could be a really nice tool.

[Byron]

fopsight,

Unless you are a paid advertiser supporting this website, posting advertisements for your own products in the forums isn't looked upon very highly. Your post really has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Your product certainly isn't an improvement over the No-Peep, anyway. You currently have 4 posts, and every one of them is hocking your fopsight. I would suggest you talk to Steve about becoming a paid advertiser.

Choop,

Glad to hear your progressing and liking the no-peep. Stick with it. You'll only get more comfortable with it and improve over time.

Best Regards,
Byron

[TSPham]

Since I have red-dot scopes now, I can't just put a No-peep on and try it.

What fiber-optic sights do you guys like? I am looking specifically at Multi-pin and not variable yardage adjustable single pins, since I gain nothing over the red-dot unless I do this. Specifically, I want pins for shooting from 5 to 50 yards with small enough margin of error for tennis ball sized targets.

Thanks for all the input. I have until spring before I may try a new sight system for the turkey season. My red-dot has served me fine in years past and is 2 for 2 this fall, so no changing horses midstream.

TSPham

[choop]

Here is my second or third grouping after making the final adjustments to my No Peep. I would guess the shots to have been made at about 21 yards as I have never measured it just paced it. I think it is as good as I was shooting with the peep.http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/7275100_1071.JPG

[bigair]

Since I have red-dot scopes now, I can't just put a No-peep on and try it.

What fiber-optic sights do you guys like? I am looking specifically at Multi-pin and not variable yardage adjustable single pins, since I gain nothing over the red-dot unless I do this. Specifically, I want pins for shooting from 5 to 50 yards with small enough margin of error for tennis ball sized targets.

Thanks for all the input. I have until spring before I may try a new sight system for the turkey season. My red-dot has served me fine in years past and is 2 for 2 this fall, so no changing horses midstream.

TSPham Looking at all the sights available today, I am convinced nothing is brighter then a cobra sidewinder. The yellow pin can be seen the longest , followed by the green and then red.

[jscott27]

There's only a few degrees of difference between right and left eye alignment to the pins. The only question is the amount of adjustment in my sight and whether that can be moved enough to compensate for shooting based on alignment with my left eye.

Hawker,

Sounds like an interesting idea. If you can move the pins out enough to the L (should be a distance pretty close to your pupil-pupil distance), then it seems like it might work.

If it does work out for you, try and remember to post your results. I have a nephew who is left-eyed/right handed, and this would be an interesting fix for him.

[Steve]

I bought one and I am about to install it. Just one question though. What happens if I sit out in the rain and get the thing wet? Will condensation form inside of it? Will the water on the lens distort the no-peep?

[Byron]

Steve,

There should be absolutely no problem with condensation forming inside. It is supposed to be sealed. If there ever is, I've read posts here from guys who had them replaced, no questions asked in years past.

I've never noticed any distortion at all in rain. If you really want to know, take it outside and pour some water on it, then shoot.

Best Regards,
Byron