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Linda G.
09-08-2004, 08:39 AM
Check this one out VERY closely!!

State land being sold in se MI!!!

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Hey everyone-look at this one VERY CLOSELY...I think this might be Waterloo??

Let Jennifer do this, and the rest of the state is being lined up as we speak!!

Funds from land sale could bail out schools

$9 million from Toyota may offset $6.6 million in cuts
September 8, 2004


BY CHRIS CHRISTOFF
FREE PRESS LANSING BUREAU CHIEF



Twenty-two of Michigan's highest-spending school districts may avoid the $6.6-million cut in state aid announced last week as part of a deal on the state budget, lawmakers and a spokesman for Gov. Jennifer Granholm's administration said Tuesday.


Renewed talks were prompted Tuesday when Senate Majority Leader Ken Sikkema urged Granholm to use money from an anticipated sale of state land to Toyota to make up the lost funds.


Granholm balked at that proposal, but talks continued Tuesday to find other ways to avoid cutting $74 per pupil in the districts that spend more than $9,000 per pupil.


Greg Bird, spokesman for the state Department of Management and Budget, said: "We realize this is a very important issue to a number of people. We'll sit down with the legislative leadership. We are committed to finding a solution on this."


The school districts complained that the cuts unfairly would force them to cut programs after they have established their budgets and begun the school year.


First proposed by Granholm last March, the plan was to freeze state aid to the affected districts at this year's level. Of the affected school districts, six are in Oakland County -- Birmingham, Lamphere in Madison Heights, Southfield, Bloomfield Hills, Troy and Farmington. The other three districts in the metro area affected are Grosse Pointe, Warren Consolidated and Center Line.


Toyota offered $9 million for 690 acres near Ann Arbor. Granholm last week called for the Legislature to sell the land to Toyota, after a state panel rejected competitive bids from Toyota and an Oakland County developer that offered $25 million.


Granholm and lawmakers agreed that having Toyota build a new technical center on the site would create more jobs and serve the state's economy better in the long run.


Tuesday, the developer sued the state, claiming it was wrongly denied the property. Sikkema, R-Wyoming, urged Granholm to spend money from the Toyota land sale on the school districts facing a cut in state aid.


"This is new, one-time money in the budget and we can use it to offset these cuts," Sikkema said in a prepared statement. "Unlike some alternative proposals that would have cut funding to every student in Michigan, my proposal does not help one district at the expense of another."


House Speaker Rick Johnson, R-LeRoy, said he agreed with Sikkema.


But Granholm instead wants to use the land sale money to replenish $8 million the state spent to prepare the same 690 acres for development, said Sikkema's spokesman, Bill Nowling. Sikkema talked Tuesday to Granholm's chief of staff Rick Weiner about options to make up the money.


Lawmakers returned to Lansing this week from a weekend break to put the final stamp on a 2004-05 budget. The $6.6-million cut to schools was among the last pieces.


A group of parents from the Southfield area had planned to trek to Lansing to protest the school cuts, but reconsidered after news surfaced of a proposal to avoid the reductions.


"We are told they have found another solution. That's good and we hope they are true to their word," said parent Betty Robinson, who is the secretary for the Southfield Area Council PTA.


But other parents, like Mari Barnett of Bloomfield Hills, president of the Bloomfield Hills PTO Council, planned to make the trip.


"We want them to understand there are some real vocal people out here who will speak up when it comes to protecting children and education," she said. "We were kind of floored by it all. And we want them to know we'll be back again if we have to. We feel there are probably other creative ways to look at cutting the budget."


But lawmakers oppose one possible solution endorsed by school superintendents around the state: an across-the-board, $3.50-per-pupil cut to schools.


State lawmakers from Oakland County said the controversy highlights the need for the state to revamp the school finance system, which was redrawn in 1994 by Proposal A, a ballot issue voters passed to cut school property taxes and increase the sales tax for school funding.


"This plugs the hole for now," said state Sen. Gilda Jacobs, a Huntington Woods Democrat whose district includes the Southfield and Farmington Hills school districts. "But it doesn't deal with the problem in the long term. We've got to fix Proposal A."


Jacobs called superintendents in the two districts Tuesday morning to give them the good news, and said, "they were thrilled."


Contact CHRIS CHRISTOFF at 517-372-8660. Staff writers Theresa Mask and Kathleen Gray contributed to this report.
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ESOX
09-08-2004, 08:52 AM
:mad: :banghead3 What a crock. I can see us heading down the slippery slope to a Texas like state, where there is very little public land available for recreation.

el Cazador
09-08-2004, 08:55 AM
The property in question is not part of Waterloo Recreation Area. The property being sold is at the corder of Willis Road and Platt Road (very close to US-23). I live just down the road from this property. It used to be the a state psychiatric hospital, but has been closed down for years. All reports indicate it's in the Ann Arbor area, but in reality, it's right in-between Ann Arbor, Saline, Ypsi, and Milan. Honestly, the propery is quite an eyesore today...something's got to be done with this property, and, in my opinion, the last thing that area needs is another housing development!!

Linda G.
09-08-2004, 09:05 AM
El Cazador-I'm making some calls on this right now, is this land already developed? Is any of it open to the public for hunting and fishing?

There is currently a bill in the Senate once again that would allow the sale of school forest lands, btw...something else we have to watch.

deepwoods
09-08-2004, 09:16 AM
But Granholm instead wants to use the land sale money to replenish $8 million the state spent to prepare the same 690 acres for development

Someone help me. I can't understand the state spending $8,000,000 to sell it for $9,000,000. What am I missing? :confused:

4x4_Hunter
09-08-2004, 09:22 AM
I work right down the road from this property in discussion. This property being developed would by no means affect any hunting or fishing or really any outdoor activities in that immediate area. I agree that it is an eye-sore and I would personally welcome Toyota or a housing development in that area. I think Toyota would be the better idea though since this property is very close to the state corrections facility. I just don't like seeing housing developments go up right next to prisons or 'corrections facilities'.

Linda G.
09-08-2004, 09:33 AM
I was informed that the land in question is actually the former site of the old Ypsilanti state psychiatric hospital...I have calls into the state's Office of Management and Budget now to clarify that, and to find out whether any of that property is currently open to public recreation of any kind.

So I think we're ok on this one, but this is something we need to watch very closely...

Dawg
09-08-2004, 09:52 AM
Money from the sale of state owned land should be used to purchase more state land. The real problem isn't going anywhere, but the land is. Who's in that democratic think tank, MCHammer and Mike Tyson?

4x4_Hunter
09-08-2004, 10:01 AM
Yes this is the old psycho ward ;) and I think at sportsmen and women, we should encourage the sale of this land for development. Not only is it an eye-sore, there is no recreational activities that currently take place on that land and if Toyota puts their facility there or the developer puts homes there, that will save the other land the they will seek if they don't get this land. The developer won't stop looking for land nor will Toyota if this deal falls short. So, if we (the state) don't sell this (pretty much useless) property to one of the two, they might go down the road a ways into some prime hunting ground and make an offer to a farmer that he can't turn down and boom... there goes hundreds of acres of prime hunting ground. Anyone who knows this immediate area, knows exactly what I am talking about.

el Cazador
09-08-2004, 10:05 AM
The property does not pose much in the way of recreational opportunities...it's mostly open grass/weeds and buildings. There is a pond that captures water runoff from the property...I've seen on occasion people fishing from shore and the occasional parent ice skating with a child during the winter months. That's about it though.

4x4_Hunter
09-08-2004, 10:08 AM
El C...

I believe the pond you are referring to is that which they just constructed a few years back right near US-23. This was done in conjunction with the new corrections facility construction and most likely wouldn't change with the construction of Toyota or homes. That is assuming we are talking about the same 'pond' (actually a retention area).

el Cazador
09-08-2004, 10:13 AM
4x4,
As a resident of the area, I couldn't agree more. That property needs to have something done with it. Even though I work for one of the local US automakers, I'd rather Toyota buy the property. The economic impact that would have on the area would be awesome. Furthermore, driving in any direction from that property reveals many more houseing developments than are needed...some of which are having trouble selling the houses they've built. Toyota would add commerce to the surrounding communities and the employees could, in theory, occupy the housing projects already in the area.

el Cazador
09-08-2004, 10:14 AM
4x4,
Yep that's the same "pond" I'm talking about...

drwink
09-08-2004, 10:29 AM
You are correct but....
another company partially owned by Toyota (23%) is going to build a testing facility & test track on about 750 acres near me in Fowlerville.
Former state rep & now economic & development hot shot Fred Dillingham brought this together.
It includes several farms south of I-96 & will close 2 roads. I used to hunt there years ago. They all think this is a good thing but I hold my breath.
The schools & roads can't support the growth as it is and there is a 600 unit trailer park going in less than 2 miles away.
The reason I will hold my breath on this is they expect about 400 professional jobs to be created. Now if my math is correct that is about 1.875 jobs per acre, Certainly a Walmart supercenter employs about the same with a lot less property. Granted those are not high tech jobs though.
Toyota being part owner & the rest is japanese also means the profits go back to Japan.
How much will Michigan gain remains to be seen.
But hey we created jobs and thats what counts right ?

4x4_Hunter
09-08-2004, 11:41 AM
:lol:

I agree with what you are saying. However, Toyota is determined to build a new facility and it WILL bring some jobs and possibly extra income for some residents. Now, sure... Japan will see profits but like I said, Toyota will actively find property and I like the idea of them using property that is rundown, not in any way affecting outdoor activities, bringing more technical jobs to the area, and possibly providing our company more work!! :D

I think there is more to lose not selling them the property than there is when selling it to them.

FixedBlade
09-08-2004, 11:58 AM
Either one will find land somewhere else. So sell it to the highest bidder.

drwink
09-08-2004, 12:07 PM
They already turned down 25 mil for 9 mil
The governor says long term will benifit more in the long run.
I don't know what the payback is but by the time they give Toyota all the tax breaks it would be interesting to know what year Michigan will start to benifit. Maybe the year 2020 ?
But she wants this done quick so nobody can second guess it and before Toyota gets cold feet.

SR-Mechead
09-08-2004, 12:26 PM
Sounds to me that if you have the money. Then the governor will find the land to sell. Is this only the beginning. I sure hope not. Even if the land is trash. It is still public land ,or is it. :confused:

Randy Kidd
09-08-2004, 12:53 PM
Sounds to me that if you have the money. Then the governor will find the land to sell. Is this only the beginning. I sure hope not. Even if the land is trash. It is still public land ,or is it. :confused:

It may be public land but she holds the equivelent of Power of Attorney on it.
pertty scary stuff!

SR-Mechead
09-08-2004, 01:03 PM
It may be public land but she holds the equivelent of Power of Attorney on it.
pertty scary stuff!

Randy I agree 100% ,but the Michigan sportsmen and women hold about 1 million votes or more with the bikers ,hikers, and others that use the land. Now thats power that we can use if and I mean if we all stick together!!!!

ART
09-08-2004, 09:11 PM
Sounds to me that if you have the money. Then the governor will find the land to sell. Is this only the beginning. I sure hope not. Even if the land is trash. It is still public land ,or is it. :confused:The land in question is bordered by a state prison, a major interstate, and a major thoroughfare lined by buisnesses. It has a very large brick complex, parking lots, a water tower, asphalt roads, and has no real natural cover. There are many houses nearby. It has no value to sportman, and is not public land like pinckney or waterloo, but and old run down state hospital.
It would behoove the state to find a suitable entity to occupy the land and improve it, and ultimately add it to the tax base.

Dawg
09-09-2004, 10:00 AM
I sure wish I had a chunk of that "pretty much useless" "trash" with "no value to sportsmen." ;)

At those prices they could exchange an acre for 8 in most any area of the state.