Lets talk about the Whisker Biscuit.

[Bow Hunter Brandon]

In the interest of full disclosure Im a fan. I use one and have not had any issues with it at all. But lets talk about it for the advantage of those that may be considering it.

I think the main sujects related to this rest and those that are clones of it are.

1 tuning arrow flight with this rest.
2 feather / fletching contact on this rest is it an issue?
3 simplicity of the rest

Anyone have thoughts about these or others issues? Roll with it and lets see what comes of the conversation.

[Trushot_Archer]

Fletching contact is against my religion :D

Honestly I know guys that shoot pretty well with them but never seen a "great shooter" use one. I can see the point before the drop aways came on strong but I've never used one and don't think I ever will.

[Swamp Monster]

When they first came out I wanted one, like the containment aspect. A couple of tech's I trusted hesitantly said they would set me up, but suggested a number of modifications to the factary styles....some of these modifications have made it into production it looks like. In my research it seemed that people were divided over them. Half liked them and half did not like them. And those that did like them loved them and those that didn't couldn't wait to replace them.....a love it or hate it thing. Went with a drop away and never looked back.
Was going to set one up on my stepfathers bow, but went with the Bodoodle Zapper instead. Have hade good luck with Bodoodle's in the past and this one seems to work pretty well, though the verdict isn't completely in yet.

[Adam Waszak]

Bought one, shot it three times, took it off, returned it. If you get the one with the square peg attaching it to the bracket which attatched to the bow you cannot move it up or down to tune the bow because you will make the biscuit tilt one way or another and that I didn't like also slows arrow down I shoot aluminums so if I shot carbon i guess that would not bother me but I could notice the difference right away with it. Never been so disappointed in something in my life I bought it and was so excited I ran home and slapped it on well like I said I took it off within 15 minutes because I knew it was not meant for me. That being said I knoe lot of guys really love em and swear by them so maybe I'm an idiot :piparty:

AW

[RecurveRx]

Adam, you're not an idiot. I'm still waiting for someone to give me a good reason to use a cotainment rest. The "you don't have to worry about your arrow falling off the rest" argument holds NO water with me. Unless you're standing on your head in the tree stand, the same can be said of a whole lot of rests out there, drop aways included.

Trushot, I belong to the same religion.

[Swamp Monster]

Recurve, Whats wrong with drop aways? If your of the religion that fletching contact is bad, the drop aways can be an answer to your prayers. Not saying they are a must ofcouse has other rests work well too, just curious on why you feel that way.

[bucknduck]

If I knock an arrow off the rest while sitting in the stand or drawing back on a deer, then thats my mistake, but I'm not ready to sacrifice arrow speed for arrow containment.

Rich

[markbouman]

for both myself and my wife. Took them both back within 1 week. Tried the NAP Quick Tunes and loved them. The rubber rest contains the arrrow at rest - UNLESS YOU'RE ON YOUR HEAD! My bow is shooting straighter, quieter, and faster than ever before!

[Swamp Monster]

If I were to go back to a prong rest, one of the Quick tunes would probably be it. Nice rest at a good price.

[NorthJeff]

I look at as a rest in which you take your arrow, and slam it through a just-to-fit hole and expect it to fly true on the way out. Almost seems like a knuckle-ball concept.

I can only say as someone else pointed out, I've never seen any really good tournament archers using one.

They would use it if it worked.

I have, on the other hand seen some of the best archers in the world using BoDoodles, Drop-aways, Golden Key, Tuners....even the old style "springy" rests, overdraws, etc., but never the "whisker biscuit. Personally, I've really liked my Toughy rests for hunting as well.

Who knows, maybe they just haven't been around long enough. :confused:

[Adam Waszak]

Iwent back to the quicktune 1000 great price and it wasn't broke why try to complicate everything and fix it I should have left well enough alone :confused:

AW

[GVDocHoliday]

Have any of you ever seen an arrow in slow motion at the moment of release? It looks like a wet noodle. Most arrows will flex over an inch from the moment you hit the triger til the moment have the arrow makes it off of the rest. Now how in the world can an arrow in a whisker biscuit, with only an 1/8 to 3/16's of an inch clearance at rest, make it through with out any contact to effect it's flight? IT CAN'T...not only that, but any little torque you may apply to the bow at the shot will also cause your arrows to fly errant...not super errant, but nowhere near as efficient as they very well possibley could. I for one love my fallaway...I'm the ordained Pope of the "no arrow contact" religion. The only contact an arrow needs to make with an arrow rest is support contact before the shot, and for the first two inches after squeezing the trigger...after that it has served its purpose. If it's still there, it will only hinder the efficiency of that arrow by both interfering with it's flex, and even worse it's fletching, causing errant kick outs or kick ups from the fletching hitting the arrow rest.

If you are currently shooting a whisker biscuit or some kind of other containment rests, I highly recommend you give a fallaway a try. Stay away from the NAP fallaways, they are slower and consensus says that they will not give you proper clearance. Arrow rests such as the trophy taker, trophy ridge drop zone, golden key futura TKO are what would be considered the premier fallaway rests. They all function pretty much the same way via static cord tied to the downward power cable set to come to full height at the last 1.5 to 2 inches of the draw.

Get the stiffest vanes you can find...most likely Bohning, and put them on your arrow shafts with the most severe helical you can while still getting good vane contact with the shaft itself. Most people shoot feathers because they are more forgiving with rest contact...however they are noisey and create more drag which decreases speed and efficiency at longer distances.

Now there is no longer a reason to use feathers...you can get 25% better accuracy with hard helical hard vanes out of a dropaway than with feathers on any other rest.

Seriously. If you are say getting 4 inch groups with your current setup, I guarantee that if you switch to a fallaway with helical vanes that your groups will be 3 inches or less.

[NorthJeff]

"Seriously. If you are say getting 4 inch groups with your current setup, I guarantee that if you switch to a fallaway with helical vanes that your groups will be 3 inches or less."

Doc,

I can get 1" groups at 40 yards and shoot 60 spots with a laucher and offset vanes, does that mean if I switch to helical and a fallaway I can do better?? :) :eek:

[GVDocHoliday]

If you're shooting a whisker biscuit and you switch I suggest buying a stock pile in nocks. ;) :D

[GVDocHoliday]

Ok I just saw you use a launcher...I'm glad I can get out of this otherwise I'd be looking for a smiley with a foot-in-mouth. :lol:

I said in my previous post whisker or other containment rests. Launchers are awesome and will be around forever. In fact, on my finger bow I have a GKF hunt master with plunger and shoot 2315's with 5 inch helical parabolic feathers. If I were to put a sight on it and use a release I could get that thing smoking...but it's just a fun experimental right now...thinking about playing in some smaller local 3d shoots next year in bare-bow class.

[NorthJeff]

Have you ever used a Tuner rest? It's been my many, many year favorite target rest.

[rzdrmh]

Recurve, Whats wrong with drop aways? If your of the religion that fletching contact is bad, the drop aways can be an answer to your prayers. Not saying they are a must ofcouse has other rests work well too, just curious on why you feel that way.

swamp - if i'm reading correctly, i don't think that recurve is against drop aways. think he means that the argument of arrow containment (with the biscuit) is over-rated. arrows remain in place on most rests, including drop aways, unless you're standing on your head..

that right, recurve?

[Swamp Monster]

RZ, I think you're right. I just read it again. I was just curious anyway, everyone I know that has tried the drop aways have really liked them, though I'm sure they are not for everyone.

[NorthJeff]

What do you guys use on your shelf for your drop-aways, or what do you draw your arrows back on?

I really liked the set-up of some of the Trophy Taker shooters I shot with in 3D that would draw their arros back on a piece of a stiff outdoor carpet or such, with the center groove cut out to hold the arrow in place...whisper quiet!

How are your guys set-up?

[Trushot_Archer]

I've used NAP's rubberized holder and like it. GKF has one out that holds it completely in place untill the arrow raises from the rest on the way up..or in a pinch I've cut a 2 pieces of arrow shaft to fit the length of the shelf and glued it to the moleskin already on the shelf and than moleskin right over top of them. They make a nice little valley and keep it where it needs to be for little $ and 10 minutes work.

[NorthJeff]

That's what I was told to use is that rubberized holder....I assume it is very, very quiet?

[rzdrmh]

i shoot a trophy taker shaky hunter and on my shelf, i have 2 pieces of carbon arrows that are spaced such that my arrow rests between them.. the pieces are held in place by some very thick mole skin that covers the entire shelf. the mole skin is also on the arm itself, and the entire setup has proven to be extremely effective at arrow containment, as well as keeping it quiet.

[Trushot_Archer]

I assume it is very, very quiet?

You could add 2 more "very"s in there or substitute "silent". Dead quiet Jeff.

[NorthJeff]

Hey Kelly....is your drawlength a little long?? :)

Can't wait to set that rest up! and I'm looking forward most to the very, very, very, very quiet part!!

[Trushot_Archer]

Yeah...that's a bow I'm selling. You can't tell but I'm twisted and sitting down as well to try to get the best light on the bow. I am doin' the lean though huh ;)

On the draw should be easy. The harder is keeping it quite at the shot. Some are better than others.

[NorthJeff]

Do you know anything about schaffer rest?

[Trushot_Archer]

Never even heard of it...is that the one they put the Mathews name on??

[Swamp Monster]

NJ, I too use the same NAP rubber arrow holder that trushot mentioned. I had to do some trimming to get it to work, the tall sides caused a bit of fletching contact, but even after trimming it holds the arrows just fine. I can hold my bow past horizontal and the arrow still stays. It's quiet as well. I have mole skin around on the risor shelf and the prongs on the TT, works well.

[wolfgang510]

Gander Mt. tried to get me to purchase the whisker biscuit last year and said trophy taker would not fit my bow. I went somewhere else and bought the trophy taker. I am so glad I did not buy the whisker. I don't know if my trophy taker is the most accurate way to go, but it is so quiet and the arrow sits in a valley so when I'm nodding off in the darkness before dawn my arrow doesn't fall off and go tink tink tink. The only thing I did not like was the difficulty of securing the drop cable of the trophy taker. The first guy that tied it in for me did not do it very good and my shooting was inconsitent as the cable would move. Finally got it right but it was a pain. I wish now I would have spent the extra $ for the micro adjustable one buy I can still tune my bow with the one I have.