pysco CO

[dajumboman]

Little sister was harrassing the loons that live on our lake (not knowing better) and the CO comes to talk to her as many of the lakes residents called and complained which is understandable... anyways the CO told my sister that she would rather find a dead human in the lake rather than one of loons which made me really unhappy with her...anyone have thoughts about this?

[Skeeter]

Tell her next time she talks to your daughter like that she might be found in the lake....

[dajumboman]

It was my little sister not my daughter, and when she said that i thought to my self what a loser.. people must of been really mean 2 her as child and the only thing she gets along with is the wildlife.. :lol: :lol:

[Skeeter]

You really should report such a thing to the DNR commission. I would think that a person in her position would be in a bunch of trouble talking to a young person that way. I would not hesitate to report it. Skeeter

[Jason Adam]

If it were some little ghetto kid breaking bottles in an alley in detroit and a cop gave them a tough tongue lashing instead of running them through the judicial system, everyone hear would probably agree that it was a good move. You admitted her guilt in your first sentance, your sister and/or your parents could be in a bunch of problems right now. The way I see it, your sister will probably not harass the loons again, and your family is spared alot of headaches. I would explain it to your sister that way, and explain to her what the reprecusions could have been, and that she was LUCKY the CO handled it the way she did and DROP IT!!! I agree that a line like "...would rather find a dead human in the lake rather than one of loons.." is in-sensative and borderline idiotic, but none the less, if the CO was really trying to be a B1t@h, she could have done so...

[Thunderhead]

Report the nut. She was way out of line saying something like that.

[trout]

Little sister was harrassing the loons that live on our lake (not knowing better) and the CO comes to talk to her as many of the lakes residents called and complained which is understandable... anyways the CO told my sister that she would rather find a dead human in the lake rather than one of loons which made me really unhappy with her...anyone have thoughts about this?

Would you feel better if they hauled the sister off to jail and imposed fines?
Sure go ahead and report the CO and then hopefully the sister will be formally charged, sentanced and fined.
Take the tongue lashing in stride, it's cheaper.

[Thunderhead]

Are we talking about a 5 or 6 year old sister here? Or a teenager that should know better. It really doesn't matter really to me what age this kid was, , implying that a human life is worth less than a freakin duck is totaly stupid.

I'm sure a trained professional ( or anybody with half a brain for that matter ) could explain the damage caused by harassing wildlife better than telling some kid that she'd rather find a dead bloated body out there floating around than a duck.

[trout]

implying that a human life is worth less than a freakin duck is totaly stupid.
Alot of duck hunters would agree, we all know how important ducks really are :)

Have your sister write a 1000 word essay on the importance of not harrassing wildlife and hand deliver it to the CO, then she may get treated like a human being.

[Brian S]

Lets not bash the CO on one part of the quote with out knowing the entire conversation.

Obviously, a human life is more important than any animal. I'm sure the CO has had to deal with recovering the bodies of drunken idiots who get thenselves killed because of reckless behavior and is trying to compare that to the unnecessary killing of an animal. Kinda saying that its one thing to get yourself killed and another to choose to kill something senselessly.

I'm curious though, what method of harrassment was used by your sister? Was she trying to run them over in a boat?

[live2fishdjs]

I'm curious though, what method of harrassment was used by your sister? Was she trying to run them over in a boat?

...or a Jet-Ski? That's the only way I could forsee "many of the lake residents calling to complain". Had a similar situation w/ swans on the lake I reside on.

[turtleboy66]

Have the CO write & hand deliver a 1000 word essay to your sister on the importance of treating people & animals with respect. Than maybe both would have a better understand of how to get along in this world.:D

[dajumboman]

IT was a sea doo and she chased them i guess from what the c0 said, she also said the people who called in had a video tape of some sort... she has to go too court ina few weeks and she has 2 tickets (shes 14 but no boater licence) and wildlife harrassment.. shes a Dumb #@! and knew better but still that co never should say anything like that!

[shametamer]

interesting....did you hear what the CO said? word for word,verbatim? or was this how your sister recounted it to you?

[WALLEYE MIKE]

Yes your sister did wrong, but that doesn't excuse the CO from saying that(if he/she did). Very unprofessional!!!!

[dajumboman]

MY dad was there the hole time and he told me that she said it and wasnt to happy about it, or about the $500 in fines and tickets and sea-doo impounded

[shametamer]

boy! just proves 2 wrongs don't make a right! Your sister should have known better, the price your family will pay is stiff, but that manner of speaking is definitely unprofessional! The CO needs some sort of discipline or censure........Guess we all have watched too many movies and police/legal type shows..that these uncalled for 'wisecracks' by officers, make the law enforcement community, some how 'cool'!..NOT....................................I have one other query? Was your sister not informed as to loons? They are not huntable and with as few nesting pairs we have in michigan,you have something a little special on your lake?...I know as I travel this state and launch from Dnr sites there is often material (brochures),warning us of dangers we present to loons, osprey, etc.

[Jason Adam]

If I'm not mistaken, it is the responsibilty of the owner of the PWC to make sure operators are licensed, which at 14, I dont think is possible. Also, at 14, your parents are responsible for her actions. Sounds like your parents are the ones who are\should be in a pile of trouble here... All I know is if I were heading to court to deal with these issues, the LAST thing I would be doing is publicly blasting the CO on a web forum frequented by CO's and LEO's, for essentially following up on property owners complaints and doing her job. If the lake residents got this on video, it wasnt a one time, one pass thing. Also, at 14, if she's old enough to ride a waverunner and such, I don't think that statement by a CO is a big deal. From your description of the situation, I thought we were taking about a 6 year old throwing stones at a loon.

[GVSUKUSH]

I thought we were taking about a 6 year old throwing stones at a loon.

That's what I thought, now that people know it was a jetski, I think your complaints will fall on deaf ears. I know too many sportsman who have been harassed on piers and while trolling by waverunners and such.

[trout]

Every now and then I read a thread that not only upsets me, but at the same time is a classic example of just how tough it must be to be a CO in Michigan.
I call the RAP line 12 times a year at least.
Sometimes the CO's are so busy it takes weeks to hear back from them.
Sometimes I call a CO that I know to see if my complaint is even logged.
Do a search on RAP or CO's on this site and read thru the threads where so many people complain that CO's didn't get there in time or the poacher/violator got away.
What a frustrating time it must be.

In this case as it unfurls we have a young person riding a seadoo and harassing a loon, not a duck.
Later in the thread we find that the Father was present.
The thread starter say the person is his younger sister so he might be 24 or less years old.
With all the facts that are missing how can anyone even come to the conclusion that the CO even raised Her voice?
We have a witness that is the father of the violator.
We have people who claim to have video and called the DNR.
Loons are not found on every lake in michigan and where they are present it is well known by the area residents, just how rare and valuble they are to all Michigan residents, not just lakefront owners.

Given the facts presented, I hope a jury of 12 find those involved guilty and the judge imposes a max sentance.

One fact is very clear to me
Not one person deserves to be mistreated in this world according to all the civil rights we have by law.

Why on Gods earth would a parent allow a 14 year old to operate illegally a seadoo that can cause death to the operator or a innocent bystander, or a loon.

If an oragnization exisists promoting Jet skis I am positive this case would be their classic "Don't do this"

Sadly a crime was commited by someone who was not old enough to be held responsible.
I would hope the parent would be held accountable as well, if not fully in this case.

What really tears at me is the fact that the operator could have easily made a one second mistake resulting in death to a human.
Then, where would we be?
A good ol'fashion tongue lashing along with a grounding would be a good life lesson.

[boehr]

Interesting.:) First I will say that if, and that's a big if, if the CO said that the CO was wrong. That is a given by any standard.

Next, $500 in fines is not correct because a 14 year old has to be cited to juvenile court and the only time a juvenile can by fined by law is for restitution or civil infractions, not misdemeanors. So I know that is incorrect in the story so how much more is incorrect.

dajumboman.... MY dad was there the hole time and he told me that she said it and wasnt to happy about it, or about the $500 in fines and tickets and sea-doo impoundedI also question if the machine was really impounded or is it sensationalism since nothing was said about it in the first post.

Last but not least, no mistake about this statement since the author put it in print.;) Skeeter....Tell her next time she talks to your daughter like that she might be found in the lake.... That is also real smart, and won't say any more about that.

Yes, I had a poacher write a letter on me once too stating that I told him the blood on the trunk of the patrol car was from hunters I shot who had shot illegal deer. He also was trying to get out of trouble because he was a poacher but it didn't work. Like I said up top though, if the CO said it, she was wrong but it doesn't mean what your sister did was any more right.

[shametamer]

ah clarity!...............Was hopin you might notice this thread , Boehr.....Any ideas..on why kids whom can't legally drive a car are allowed free reign on the lakes with these machines that do upwards of 70mph?

[boehr]

In the above case with the 14 year, according to the 17 year old brother, she shouldn't have been because she did not have a marine safety certificate. The state law provides that a person must be at least 14 years of age and anyone born after December 31, 1978 must have a marine (boater) safety certificate and the only way for a resident to get that is to take a class, just like hunter safety. As to why they it is 14 years of age, you'll have to interpet that from the legislature.;)

[Skeeter]

boehr in regards to my quote you made the comment on in case you want to know, was said just to be smart. Something I would never say to a CO or anyone. I am sure you have said things like that in your life time. Loosen up man are you so perfect that you don't say things kidding around? You don't have to tear all the posts apart like a lawyer would. This is a fun site. Smile don't take things so serious. Skeeter ;)

[Big Nic]

Skeeter

Man , I'm not even gonna comment on the actions of the 14 year old child she just made a mistake. But Dude you are a grown person and responsible for what you say even if it is just in jest . You cannot post threats of violence on a public forum and to do so is JUST FLAT OUT WRONG:mad: . Then you go blasting Boehr
who to the best of my knowledge spend tons of time helping everone that has a
rules question. I think you are the one who is way way out of line and owe this Site , Boehr and all us loyal members an apology. If you don't want to apologize then how about keeping those *****inine threats of violence to yourself and not on a public forum that the ANTIS could very well use against all sportsmen.You are the one that needs to rethink your comments and " lighten up a little"
nuff said :sad:

[TimT]

Skeeter, based on the original post and the "toungue-in-cheek" nature of your post, no apolgies are necessary to me. It's funny though, you can get an idea of what everyone "pictured" as they read the story, and how different that picture was for each. (Until more of the story came out that is.) The only bigger "bad guy" you'll find on the lakes than a CO is a jet-skier.:lol: Unless, of course, the father was drunk too. The drunken, irresponsible father of a jet-skier is even worse then a cormorant.

[IT pimp 2002]

These folks are guilty as all get out and deserve the full extent of what the law will allow. Complete ignorance on all peoples part that did this. Father son daughter, jet skiis have a bad reputation and this kind of crap sure doesnt help. Too many people with more $$ than brains IMO, being trained on these high powered machines is real important, because they can be miss used and are a danger to both people and wild life. Anyone that would chase wildlife with power equipment was not trained well.

The other issue with regard to the officer has already been discussed and I think we all agree could have been worded in a differant way. I bet it's tough dealing with this level of untrained person (14 year old) all the time. BTW I dont think it's her fault, it's about training as so many things are today.
Dano Out~

[turtleboy66]

The drunken, irresponsible father of a jet-skier is even worse then a cormorant.Not by much though.:yikes: :lol:

[quest32a]

Yeah, maybe the CO made a comment to some effect about loons vs humans. But who cares, if you are old enough to be doing 60 mph on a jet ski and acting like an idiot then you are old enough to get a verbal lashing. Which in all actuallity was probably quite mild. You break the law you suffer the consequences, I have been pulled over plenty of times for speeding and such (while driving) and occasionaly have run into some not so nice LEO's. But i got to thinking, if i hadn't been speeding i would never would have had to even deal with this person. The responsibility and fault lie in your sister, not the CO.

If she had not been breaking the law none of this would have ever happened.

[IT pimp 2002]

CO Carolyn Dice of Lake County responded to a complaint on Loon Lake of two juveniles on a PWC driving over a family of Loons two times. After the PWC ran over the loons the first time, witnesses heard the kids say, "Let's go back and do it again." CO Dice contacted the two 14-year olds and the father. They informed the officer that, "We thought they were just ducks." Neither of the youth had been through a boater's safety course. CO Dice issued a ticket to the father for allowing them to operate the PWC. The probate court is also being contacted about the 14-year-old operator regarding the wildlife violation.

[GVSUKUSH]

Interesting.......there just happened to be a Sea Doo add at the bottom of this thread :tdo12: