Concept Archery 99% let-off

[Banditto]

Just looking at doc's sig and looked up Concept Archery. What in the heck is 99% let-off like? Like holding only the weight of your bow? Must be nice really. I had a McPherson that had 80% and it was pretty cool because it was like holding 15lbs at full draw. bow shot like crap otherwise, but nice to only hold 15lbs.

[Trushot_Archer]

Some of the hard Core Oneida guys can get theirs to that point as well. I watched one guy bring it to full draw...let his bow arm down completely and the bow hung (at full draw) by the string.

I find that it's easier to hold my bow arm steady when I apply pressure from the string end...that's why I prefer a 65% letoff. I always wonder about the "slop" in the valley of those bows but he's winning so what do I know.

[kbkrause]

bow shot like crap otherwise, but nice to only hold 15lbs.
LOL:lol:

[One Eye]

Can you say --------??? Oh never mind. That subject is already on another thread.

Dan

[Banditto]

enlighten me One-eye, what are you talking about?

[GVDocHoliday]

Whoo whoo...I know my bow shoots like a dream...ask any of those Oneida shooters who I whooped up on this past weekend :lol: They told me that since I wasn't shooting an Oneida that I wasn't eligable for the prizes...I told them, "well that don't matter, but when you look at the scores my name will still be at the top." They actually liked that reply and accepted me into their cult. Anywho, I won a Pollington red dot scope and mounting hardware...don't know what I'm gonna do with it yet, but I'll think of something.

I also won the Michigan IBO State Championship this year with my Concept, and finished in the top 25th percentil in the National IBO Triple Crown. My bow will do anything but shoot crappy...I love it, and I don't just say that because I'm on their shooting staff...I owned my Concept a few months before I was accepted. It's a simple, solid, no frills piece of equipment with the industry leading barnsdale laminated limbs, winners choice strings and cables stock, and the riser and limb pockets are one solid piece of aluminum milled from a solid block of T6061 aluminum...which means less parts, less connections, and less chance of failure.

It's just a bow you have to shoot to believe...you'd think that holding less than a pound at full draw would make the string co limp...WRONG! You don't even realize the high letoff until you go to let down...or should I say try to let down, you have to kinda push pull to let it down. There is no creep at all and the back wall is solid, I do mean solid, no slop at all and that's what I like most about it...when you can have a conistent draw a bow will be more consistent accuracy wise.

If you all have any questions on this bow don't be afraid to ask.

[Banditto]

What let off are you shooting doc, or have you shot the 99%?

[GVDocHoliday]

I'm shooting the 99% let off. Mainly for the solid backwall and no creep...and it's what Paul Mykut(owner of concept archery) wants us to shoot...you know, real life advertisment.

[Steve]

How much does one of these Concepts bows set one back?

[Banditto]

Man I would like to see one of those. Sounds like a cool setup. Would be helpful for people with certain types of shoulder problems too.

[GVDocHoliday]

It'll set you back 650.00. However, they have the best limbs in the industry and winners choices strings and cables stock...this is where the high price comes from. But it is well worth it to know that your limbs are literally the best, as well as not having to worry about strings strech or peep rotation.

[Banditto]

Bryan so you shoot the Concept99 or the P50? Concept99 right? That price is not unreasonable at all... you look at any of the big 10 bow manufacturers and they are all 600+

How is the center shot and knock travel on the Concept99?

How do they work the solid wall? a pin on the cam? How much shelf does it have between the peak draw weight and the let-off (in distance)? I hate most of the new radical cams that give you .5" between high weight and let-off, where you relax a bit while you are finding your target and almost lose it.

Actually as much as I hate the really short bows, I bet that 32 would be fun being the let-off is so high.

Thanks for the info too

Oh and I got to thinking about that old McPherson I owned, it was 85% letoff and I know what you mean about having to bump it into the torque to let it down. You almost would scare yourself trying to let it down.

[GVDocHoliday]

They achieve it by a grooved axle. Once you get into the valley, there is no creep or slop. Relax all you want, as long as you're pulling enough pressure to hold a lb of weight you won't lose it. I don't worry about that because I shoot with a back tension release and I pull really hard against that back wall and it doesn't budge. Tiller is good, I love the big wide grooved idler wheel, center shot is good, and I can't really comment on nock travel for I have no means to measure it at the moment. I will say that my nocking point is barely 1/8 above sqaure. Here's a pic with me a Claude Pollington at the shoot at Buck Pole Ranch this past weekend:

http://members5.boardhost.com/c.p.oneida/msg/32280.html

Won me a new pollington red dot scope and mounting bracket.

[Banditto]

Neat pic. I love my Pollington 33.

What is that chest support your wearing? and Batmans utility belt when shooting. nobody else is wearing that much gear while shooting. Shouldn't wearing ballist be considered cheating? :)

[GVDocHoliday]

That's no cheating...my bony **** needs some extra ballist...I'm the one at the dissadvantage :lol: :evil:

What you see around my back is my binocular strap...around my waist is my...well...utility belt. It's a camo fanny pack with a hip-quiver added on. In it I keep bow string wax, bug spray, extra nocks, extra points, two sets of allen wrenches, scoring index cards, a few pens and pencils, a leatherman tool, a lighter, spare fiber optic material, spare d-loop material, and dental floss. OH YEAH, and an arrow lube tube to make my arrows pull out of the target better.

And a couple of spare releases because you never know when the one you're using is going to crap out on you.

I just thought it was need to get in a picture with Mr. Claude Pollington himself. :)

[deepwoods]

Doc,

I am surprised I have never heard of such a thing as 99% let-off. I thought at first it was a joke. What is the draw like? Is it smooth? Also I didn't see speeds listed on the bowsite. What are they like? I currently shoot an odl Onieda Aeroforce which I like a great deal. It has been a good bow but its getting old and am looking for something new possibly.

[Swamp Monster]

The August issue of Outdoor life has a bow test section and there is a blip in there about the concept. Doesn't really discuss the bow much though. Sounds interesting.

[GVDocHoliday]

I think I saw that same test. I had all kinds of bows with vibration ratings and what not...the Bowtech Liberty won that hands down, but if you look at the final score the Concept was right up there.

Well, if you're coming from an Oneida to this I can guarantee you that the draw will be harsh...really can't sugar coat that one. Oneida's have the smoothest drawing bows made.

My setup and speed:
29" draw
63lbs draw weight
28.25 inch CXL 250 Select with 4" duravanes and a 75 grain point for a total weight of 330 grains
String loop and fletcher peep are the only things on the string
I'm getting 283fps. Which gives it an IBO of 310ish.

The dual cam stealth has an IBO rating of 320.

I'm trying to get Paul(owner) to design my dream bow, but so far to no avail, but I think he's starting to crack.

That would basically be the same model as the current Concept99 but with the following changes:
40" axle to axle
6.5" brace height
and a new, better feeling grip like the Dartons.

Basically all he'd have to do is lengthen the riser 3-4 inches and shorten the limbs...piece of cake. Thing is, this bow should actually be faster because of the shorter brace height...somewhere around 318.

That my friend, is my dream hunting/3d bow. And it can be done...oh yes, it can be done.

[Dawg]

Did P&Y end up changing their let-off rule?

[Banditto]

no still the same rule, but what does that matter. Who is to say that what I consider my finest trophy is nothing to them.

or better yet, the trophies they score high that have been taken after hours, out of season, etc. I wouldn't count them as a trophy.

[Swamp Monster]

Doc, they only give the score of the Bowtech, a 92. The rest are just scored Excellent90-100, Very Good 80-89, and Good 70-79. The top Three were the Bowtech Patriot, The Mathews Outback, and the Hoyt Extec, all excellent. The Concept was a good. I don't take to much stock in these tests, at least the subjective portions because it is subjective....what feels good to me may feel like crap to you etc. The Hoyt had the least measurable vibration and the least measurable shot noise, but was also slower than most and it came in 3rd.

Interesting reading, but the buyer still has to shoot them all to make an informed purchase.
I'd like to check out a Concept though. I prefer 65% let off but it would be interesting to try. Who in Michigan is carrying them?

[Swamp Monster]

P&Y did change their rule....you can enter it with a bow over 65% but it will get an asterik by your name. They changed this outdated rule last year.

[Uzarious]

An obvious question or two emerges....Would one still be required to get a special handicapped permit to hunt deer in Michigan with one of those bows? Appears to be within one measely percentile of being a crossbow, which we all know, has only ONE clear advantage over traditional archery equipment; that one is able to hold indefinitely over the quarry at full draw. Secondly, is this bow legal under current hunting regs??

[GVDocHoliday]

Archery Unlimited in Grand Rapids carries them...Thes stealth is 65% let-off...which is the bow I'll be getting in a couple of months for the extra speed for moving up to the MBR class next year.

Now let's see...if my bow was 100% let off...I could draw it before I climb up my treestand, and hold it for hours until a deer comes along, then I can anchor and shoot it, but wait, it wouldn't shoot because there's no force being applied to the arrow?

You still have to wait until the deer isn't looking, draw the full weight of the draw, and make an ethical shot. Same thing you do with a recurve or normal compound...so 0% or 99%, the difference between a bow and crossbow is the same...and that difference is archery season and rifle season.

[GVDocHoliday]

Turn the axle and it's 80% letoff...simple as that...well, not really quite simple, it requires a bow press.

[Banditto]

Honestly if I was looking for a new bow I would spend some quality time shooting the Concept99. But I like my Mathews Icon way too much, and my next new bow is going to be a Black Widow PSA V takedown.

Thanks for all your info Doc.

[GVDocHoliday]

That Mathews Icon is a sweet bow...if I were to ever buy a Mathews that would be it. It's not as fast as some of the others, but the one I shot was just a pleasure to draw and shoot.

[Grouse Hunter]

GVDOC

I was looking hard at the 2 cam for a while. What do you think of this bow? Website doesn't list ibo speeds. Is the bow a shooter?

[GVDocHoliday]

The dualcam has a 320 IBO rating. It's a shooter...I'll have one in my posession in a month or two...then I can give you some more info. It's only 65% letoff but it's very smooth drawing. I'm not gonna lie...it's kinda hard to time because of the winners choice strings...they are very tightly twisted and the xcoat makes one twist seem like 3...so the one I played with at Nelsonville required twisting of the yokes...but it was accomplished. Same riser and same limbs as the 99...just different cams which shorten the brace height making it faster.