I actually listened to Kerry today

[Michigan Hunter]

I listened to Kerry today in California I think. He wants to release the government storage of oil for instant lowering of gasoline prices. He wants to give every high school graduate $4000. to go to two years of college, He wants to help pay down college loans, He wants to create 10 million new jobs. OK....
1) release oil doesn't help now.... you have to make gasoline and distribute it (takes 6+ months)
2) $4000. , pay down college loans. Who pays? Where does this money come from?
3) 10 million jobs. Who pays? Where do they work? Are these government jobs....probably
"I see dead people" paying for this and that.
"I see a man in another world" Not ours...........

[lostmale]

He has been in the Senate how long and now he has all these visions of thing he can do. What has he been paid to do as a Senator all these years. What gets me about the oil reserve is if they don't keep it up and a refinery gets bombed the prices would sky rocket. Bush then would get blamed for not having the reserves full just like they are trying to blame him for not preventing 9/11.

[Neal]

Yeah, the guy who supported a $.50 increase in the gas tax now has the answers.:rolleyes:

Neal

[Dick Graves]

Michigan Hunter, you nailed it pal, anytime a politician say's he will pay for something, he is lieing like a dog with fleas. When that statement is made it means the working class pay.

Working class, anyone with a job!:eek:

[MSUICEMAN]

prolly the same way we're paying 300-400 billion dollars or more for the mars exploration....... releasing oil doesn't help much.... in effect OPEC created a monopoly in which we are screwed. only 10% of our oil comes from the middle east, but since it is an open market, they sell on the world stage, and when they are getting price X over there, why would you sell it for any cheaper over here when you can sell it over there for more money? Only way to really lower the prices is to regulate and federalize some oil production, thus bringing up supply, same demand, hence price drops. But that would be bigger government and we all know how some people are against that. Sometimes de-regulation isn't the way to go, ask california.


steve

[Swamp Monster]

Every High School Graduate $4000! In the district I work in that works out to close to $900,000. Thats one school district! How in the he$$ can that be funded?
Kerry's on Crack!

[MSUICEMAN]

if they go to college and take loans. then they would get a 4000 grant basically against said loans.

steve

[Hi Ho Silver_Joe]

Originally posted by MSUICEMAN
if they go to college and take loans. then they would get a 4000 grant basically against said loans.



Where is this grant money going to come from? Kerry cannot do everything that he is promising while only raising taxes on the wealthiest 2%.
Hang on to your wallets; Kerry is Grandholm on a national scale
.:mad: :eek:

[MSUICEMAN]

where is the 400 billion dollars coming from to pay for mars exploration? don't ask me....

steve

[lostmale]

Here NEAL is a good Kerry editorial thought you might like to read.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn21.html

[Fishfoote]

How on earth did the entitlement to college come about? Why stop with that little road bump, can't we just retire these kids out of high school? Why should we make them waste the best years of their lives having to work for something?:rolleyes:

[MSUICEMAN]

yeah, cuz 4K would pay your way through college...... wait, that wouldn't pay for one semester at most universities...... but it sure would be helpful.

steve

[Fishfoote]

Even if $4,000 would cover the cost of a master's at Yale, I don't see why taxpayers should foot the bill.

[MSUICEMAN]

I don't see why my tax money is going to go to pay babyboomer's medical expenses and social security, when I'm not going to see a penny of it in return.

Think of it this way, 4K towards college will mean more people go to college equals better paying jobs and we recoup the money through more tax money from their higher incomes.

steve

[Fishfoote]

What you'll see, and what I'll see so far as social security/medi-care benefits remains to be seen. I'm not ready to retire yet, I suspect you are not either.

The education investment arguement is a reasonable one, but I think the blanket approach will lead to a high degree of waste. Going to college when someone else is footing the bill (even for a semester) is a bit too easy. And, if as you say that will only cover the first semester, make it too easy to drop out thereafter. I would rather see a college subsidy (since that's what were talking about here), that brings down the general tuition rate - make it more affordable for the full ride. But truthfully, I have no problem seeing people work their way through without my help. There's a bunch of people out there doing it - so it's not like it can't be done. There's always the new and improved GI bill out there, and if for health reasons someone couldn't take advantage of that, then I would say, yes - there's a need.

[Swamp Monster]

Thats what student loans are for...and state universities are already geting funding from tax dollars. Where does it end?
Imo, $4000 is hardly motivation to get an education, because that $4000 isn't gonna last long. Those that truly want an education will make it happen or have already taken steps by the time graduation rolls around to make it happen.

What does Mars exploration have to do with it? I can sit here for an hour and list gov't ideas that are a waste of money...this one included.
A better idea would be to invest that $4000 (or even half that) per student into our elementary and secondary programs......

[Ranger Ray]

I don't see why my tax money is going to go to pay babyboomer's medical expenses and social security, when I'm not going to see a penny of it in return.
Maybe we can make a deal. Ill let you off paying this baby boomers SS if you get all your relatives and family that are on SS to pay me back the 537,000.00 I have paid in to fund theirs. ;)

[snakebit67]

DONT GET ME STARTED RAY:D

[Dick Graves]

Ranger Ray just imagine what you could do with that $537,000.00 that you have already paid. At 4% interest, you could receive about $1790.00 per month.

At 8%interest, about $3580.00 per month. When you started paying and could have invested that money on your own & received just a 4% return from a mutual fund or whatever, you could retire and live pretty good. Oh well, we will all get screwed with this giant pyramid scheme!:rolleyes:

[Ranger Ray]

Dick Graves,

Trust me Dick, I cry about it every day.

snakebit67,

The devil made me do it! :D

[MSUICEMAN]

mars exploration has nothing to do with this program, but in regards to the question as to where the money would come from, somehow we find money to waste on other programs, maybe we should re-evaulate and try to get this nation's education on par with other country's. we're losing this game, and its not a good thing.

I'm just playing devil's advocate on the education funding. I believe something needs to be done, maybe this, maybe something else. I'm just saying if it is what we need to do to level the playing field, so be it. We have to start looking at things before the education gap is too large to overcome.

steve

[Swamp Ghost]

As one of my favorite singer said, "I've got some ocean front property in Arizona, if you'll buy that I'll throw the golden gate in free".

Kerry has done nothing and will continue to do nothing, if you exclude raising taxes at each and every oppurtunity.

[Neal]

I would LOVE to give my kids a better education, but since I pay 50% of my income to the goverment I can't afford the better education they deserve:mad:

Neal

[TimT]

vouchers, Vouchers, VOUCHERS!

[Old Steelhead Dude]

I have an Idea about Higher education
Get a loan then get a 4.0 average then graduate and get a Job and pay the money back and stop looking for hand outs.

Now is that to harsh?


OSD.

[dogjaw]

Originally posted by Michigan Hunter
I listened to Kerry today in California I think. He wants to release the government storage of oil for instant lowering of gasoline prices. He wants to give every high school graduate $4000. to go to two years of college, He wants to help pay down college loans, He wants to create 10 million new jobs. OK....
1) release oil doesn't help now.... you have to make gasoline and distribute it (takes 6+ months)
2) $4000. , pay down college loans. Who pays? Where does this money come from?
3) 10 million jobs. Who pays? Where do they work? Are these government jobs....probably
"I see dead people" paying for this and that.
"I see a man in another world" Not ours...........
Here a good one. If 10 million new jobs are created, we would have to import 275,000 extra people to this country to fill them. That's if every able bodied person wanted a job.

[AceMcbanon]

I owe $26,000 in loans and thats not including the intrest that will kick in when I graduate next year. I'll probably be paying this off for the next decade. Most people in college aren't going into high paying jobs such as myself and we will be in debt for a long long time. My parents went on loans and had them payed off in 3 years.

[dogjaw]

Originally posted by AceMcbanon
I owe $26,000 in loans and thats not including the intrest that will kick in when I graduate next year. I'll probably be paying this off for the next decade. Most people in college aren't going into high paying jobs such as myself and we will be in debt for a long long time. My parents went on loans and had them payed off in 3 years.
That's an interesting point to make. Years ago, when kids went to college, the usually had some idea of what they wanted to study and do in life. Young men and women went with a purpose. Now it seems, the public schools push everyone to go to college. This drives the price of college up. There are a lot of B.A. degrees making $25,000 out there. Just going to college doesn't cut it anymore, you have to have a plan. And as always, having an education isn't enough, you have to know what to do with it. The big demand right now is in technical. People can't find workers who can build or fix things well.