Annan seeks Iraq 'fraud' inquiry

[Ranger Ray]

This is going to get real interesting down the road. The U.S. has gained vast documents in Iraq with names of people and some are very high ranking officials of foreign countries that have taken bribe money from Sadam. It sure is setting up to be pie in your face to the people that have pushed globalization. Also to the Kerry camp who has been using the French and Russians refusal to join us in the war against Sadam against Bush.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3552133.stm

[Ranger Ray]

A little update.

The panel has said it has evidence that dozens of people, including top U.N. officials, took kickbacks from the $67 billion oil-for-food program.
Time for the U.S. to remove itself from the U.N.. The U.N. is nothing more than a self deserving organization full of corruption. Why even lend legitimacy to such an organization. Their so called peace keeping forces are a joke and if we don't send our troops they are worthless.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125212,00.html

[Chris_Davis]

I doubt the investigation will have any traction in the UN. Since Kojo Annan is implicated in the scandal.

[Chris_Davis]

A little update.


Time for the U.S. to remove itself from the U.N.. The U.N. is nothing more than a self deserving organization full of corruption. Why even lend legitimacy to such an organization. Their so called peace keeping forces are a joke and if we don't send our troops they are worthless.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125212,00.html

I doubt this will happen anytime soon. Just last week Florida Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson lead 7 other Democrats in a treasonous attempt to get the UN to monitor the upcoming US Presidential Election. Thankfully, they turned down the request.

[UBDSLO1]

A little update.


Time for the U.S. to remove itself from the U.N.. The U.N. is nothing more than a self deserving organization full of corruption. Why even lend legitimacy to such an organization. Their so called peace keeping forces are a joke and if we don't send our troops they are worthless.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125212,00.html
ditto that. the UN is just a bunch of rouge nations trying to get money from US, they don't give a damn about us, and do everything in their own interest. eff- em.

[Ranger Ray]

Mr. Annan and Benon Sevon, who oversaw the oil-for-food program and is accused of accepting $3.5 million worth of Iraqi oil vouchers, are in the two hottest seats. Annan's son, Kojo, was briefly employed as a consultant by Cotecna Inspections, which in December 1998 - just after he left the company - won the UN contract to check all goods coming into Iraq.
Wow! Check out how many U.S. committees are checking in to this. No wonder my taxes keep going up! :yikes:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0715/p06s01-wogn.html

[WILDCATWICK]

I'm still undeceided who to vote for. After all just until several days ago we did not know who would be running with Kerry and what that person could bring to the table as a public servant. With that in mind here is my thoughts on this story.

Also to the Kerry camp who has been using the French and Russians refusal to join us in the war against Sadam against Bush.


I did not relize that their camp was siding with the French and Russians. I thought they have stated that they would not have gone to war with Iraq more or less because of the war on terrorism. If I'm wrong please correct me, so I am not deceiding who to vote for on false info.

Everyone has known the Russians and the French were in bed with Iraq. They have both sold arms and employed scientist to Iraq. So them getting a kick back is no shocker and is a non-partisian issue. Matter of fact this whole thing is non-partisian. If Annan is found to be guilty then he should face international courts and be eliminated from his posistion. As anyone elese who is found to be guilty.

The U.N. does serve a function. As any governing body goes it is not perfect. There needs to be many changes but instead of just discrediting it and elimanating it why wouldn't we try to improve it. After all it is a forum where countries can speack their minds and debate on many issues. It truely is a unique forum that does have lots of benefits. WE are all about libirties in this country why wouldn't we be on a global scale. If there are disagreements this allows the general public to know what they are. If this organization was not around the President could have told us anything about world support and we would have had to beleive him. We as a sovereign country can still act independently. It's just nice to have a forum where everything is out in the open.

ditto that. the UN is just a bunch of rouge nations trying to get money from US, they don't give a damn about us, and do everything in their own interest. eff- em.
Who is that and how is that? I hear alot of people on this web site say we need to leave the U.N. but I only hear it after they disagree with a U.N. action. I'm like a budhast I'm open to discussion. If your resoning makes more sense than mine, I'll adopt your resoning until something else makes more sense. It's called being open minded. It's debating. It's actually what the U.N. is all about. :help:

[ESOX]

I tend to think of the UN as the organization that would like to create a socialist world order. They will be happy when all the haves have not, and all the have nots have not anyhow due to corruption.

[kingfisher 11]

Esox
And you know who the haves are don't you?

People we have to look out for number one, nobody else will. Without getting to political some people in this country scare me now.

[UBDSLO1]

Who is that and how is that? I hear alot of people on this web site say we need to leave the U.N. but I only hear it after they disagree with a U.N. action. I'm like a budhast I'm open to discussion. If your resoning makes more sense than mine, I'll adopt your resoning until something else makes more sense. It's called being open minded. It's debating. It's actually what the U.N. is all about. :help:
so, you're just like a bleeding heart liberal, who flip flops on all the issues, never having taken a stand on anything.
you tell me, when was the last time the UN has done anything for the USA??? yeah, that's right, you can't. US does way to much for the rest of the world, it's time to stop helping them, let the rest of the world fend for it's self. I don't care who is killing who, or some reliegous war that is going on, people staving to death because of some dictator, don't give a damn about anyone but here. we have enough problems as it is, we need to stop trying to help the rest of the world. and when we do help, what do we get??? "Get out USA" or "Death to USA", so much trying to help. The rest of the world is just jealous because of who we are, and what we have done to get here. just a couple hundred years old, and we are the NO.1 nation in this world.

[mickey]

so, you're just like a bleeding heart liberal, who flip flops on all the issues, never having taken a stand on anything.

This is quite a leap from what wildcat was saying. There is no "flip flop" when a guy is trying to process a situation and making a personal decision on how they feel about it. Sometimes new information comes to light that helps us formulate our opinions. It is much better than taking a firm stand just for the sake of taking a stand.

US does way to much for the rest of the world, it's time to stop helping them, let the rest of the world fend for it's self.

Where would the U.S. stand without the rest of the world? Maybe we should build a big wall around the country. Nobody ever gets in, and nobody ever gets out (just like willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory) :D

I don't care who is killing who, or some reliegous war that is going on, people staving to death because of some dictator, don't give a damn about anyone but here.

I can buy into your frustration as I am also frustrated with the state of the world. I do believe this explains how angry this statement comes across. I do believe there are better energies than anger to help the problem, however.

"Get out USA" or "Death to USA", so much trying to help.

I can, again, empathize with your train of thought. It is hard to hear our politicians talk about "liberating and helping others" and see people chanting, "Death to the U.S."
But try and put yourself in the shoes of an person who may have lost loved ones, lost their home, or another byproduct of war....and then tell yourself "they are only trying to help us". If there was a bomb dropped on your house (from any country), your going to say, "they are just trying to help me"?

just a couple hundred years old, and we are the NO.1 nation in this world.

What do we win?
And all we had to do was kill a few (hundred thousand) native Americans, and repress anyone who didn't look or think the same way we did
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:grouphug:

C'mon UBDSLO. It even says in your profile you have an interest in "Russian Girls". I knew you had to have a soft spot for someone outside this country. :p :)

[Buddy Lee]

US does way to much for the rest of the world, it's time to stop helping them, let the rest of the world fend for it's self. I don't care who is killing who, or some reliegous war that is going on, people staving to death because of some dictator, don't give a damn about anyone but here. we have enough problems as it is, we need to stop trying to help the rest of the world.

Nice.

[WILDCATWICK]

so, you're just like a bleeding heart liberal, who flip flops on all the issues, never having taken a stand on anything.

Whoa fellow sportsman. No it's not just like that. I don't apreciate you calling me anything thank you. ANd because I'm open minded does not mean I'm catagorizable. It does not mean I don't take stands. No in fact it mean that I listen, I talk, I reason, then I make decesions. Where did I flip flop?

A person who takes a stand and does not listen to all sides is not always a wise person. Hitler took his stand and did not listen to people. He is not a great man...is he? Matter a fact he is the reason why the U.N. was set up. THe resoning for the U.N. is good. The way it is working out is not. But I think it to be fool hardy to just eliminate it. WE would be stepping back a 100 years. We americans wwere the ones that helped establish the UN.

It's funny our governement has vested interested in almost every country in the world. We use their "cheap" labor, we use their natural resources. With this said, do you think we should stop using outside labor, stop importing others products, and stop using others natural resources? I surely don't want to. These countries do have resentment. WE use up all their stuff for our consumption and they are living in poverty. Fair? Many will say yes. To those I say was it fair then for colonization of Countries thru 1600-early 1900's?

The rest of the world is just jealous because of who we are, and what we have done to get here. just a couple hundred years old, and we are the NO.1 nation in this world.

Let's look at that. We have accomplished so much. Most of it we should be proud of. Some of it we should not. Why don't we try to understand why other countries or it's general population does not like us. You say it's jealousy. I agree with you. They would love to have what we have. How are they going to have that happen. How are they going to become modern society? I am 100% agreement when you say...and what we have done to get here. Hmmm, How did we achieve it. Some good things, some bad. They get upset at the bad, as they should. WE just say tough ****. Let them be. Well then we should be come a self sustaining society. If anything the ones that flip flop are the ones who say they want nothing to do with the rest of the world but they want Everything to do with the rest of the world when it comes to resources!!! :help:

I agree we need to look out for number one. But in the same breath if the whole world hates us we won;t be number one long. History has proven that. WE also won't be number one if the global economy is doing poorly. Exports and Imports really drive the world today. WE have the upperhand in this. Much of it we got through military might. WE are not on fair traiding ground. Some countries get upset about this gee I wonder why. WE have a responsibility to keep the global economy healthy so we can reamin a healthy number one. Please tell me how spitting in the eye of the rest of the world will achieve this? :bash:

I feel this is worth repeating....If anything, the ones that flip flop are the ones who say they want nothing to do with the rest of the world but they want Everything to do with the rest of the world when it comes to resources!!! :help:

[WILDCATWICK]

One last point. Every President no matter what political party, has sent aid to other countries. They have done this outside of the U.N. So even if we left the U.N. this will continue to happen. It's generally done because we want something now from this country or we may want something in the future. Most presidents have come to realize that it's easier to get what they want with honey instead of military might. Reagan did that was for sure. I have not decieded if Bush has come to realize it, but I think he knows.

[Ranger Ray]

Since the fence has been in operation, the number of casualties has decreased dramatically. The fence is reversible, whereas the lives taken by terrorism are not. Moreover, the fence works. It is a temporary, nonviolent security measure and it saves lives.
Why would the U.N. be against the fence? Everything else has failed. Seems pretty peaceable to me. You build a wall no one can get in and blow you up so no reason to retaliate. Am I missing something here? Makes sense to me. So what reason would the U.N. have for being against it?


http://www.israel-un.org/latest/press_releases/PR9july2004.htm

A little more interesting info:

http://www.israel-un.org/israel_un/uneasyrelation.htm

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-253.html

[mickey]

Since I was unjustly censored before, please look up my previous post should you feel the need, and respond within the site rules. Thanks!

I had responded before but some mods felt the need to "silence" me. Thanks again!!

[TC-fisherman]

By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 16, 2004; Page A16

UNITED NATIONS, July 15 -- The Bush administration is withholding information from U.N.-sanctioned auditors examining more than $1 billion in contracts awarded to Halliburton Co. and other companies in Iraq without competitive bidding, the head of the international auditing board said Thursday.

Jean-Pierre Halbwachs, the U.N. representative to the International Advisory and Monitoring Board (IAMB), said that the United States has repeatedly rebuffed his requests since March to turn over internal audits, including one that covered three contracts valued at $1.4 billion that were awarded to Halliburton, a Texas-based oil services firm. It has also failed to produced a list of other companies that have obtained contracts without having to compete.

The Security Council established the IAMB, which includes representatives from the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, in May 2003 to ensure that Iraq's oil revenue would be managed responsibly during the U.S. occupation. The council extended its mandate in July so it could continue to monitor the use of Iraq's oil revenue after the United States transferred political authority to the Iraqis in June.


note this is about iraqi money from the oil for food program not U.S. money.

I guess its okay its for Bush and Cheney to dole out noncompetive contracts in exchange for kickbacks. Kickbacks=campaign contributions

[Ranger Ray]

LOL! If it is done illegally then no it is not. I was not posting on corruption in the U.S. I was talking about corruption in the U.N.. Pretty big assumption to guess I would think something like that is ok if it is being done illegally, when it wasn't even in my thoughts. ;) I have seen very limited articles on what you posted so if you have more please post I would like to read them. :)