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catch&release
03-17-2004, 06:05 PM
The Rap on Bush and Cheney
Can the White House lead a cleanup crusade when it has had dubious deals of its own? You be the judge
By BILL SAPORITO


CNN: Senators: Release Records on Bush Stock Sale

Bush: Do As I Say, Not As I Did



Sunday, Jul. 14, 2002
The Bush White House is strictly top-of-the-organizational-chart, an outfit run by corporate bosses: Dick Cheney from Halliburton, the oil-services giant; Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill from Alcoa; and Commerce Secretary Don Evans from the Denver oil-and-gas outfit Tom Brown. These are capitalists who know how to make a buck and were never ashamed of it.

They never had to be, until the corporate trust scandals landed on the President and Vice President like a sack of nickels. At issue is whether the two men benefited during their business careers from the same kind of cronyism and slippery accounting that the Administration is now publicly condemning. The day before Bush was scheduled to deliver a speech meant to spank Wall Street, he held a press conference to advertise his standing as a Main Street kind of guy. He wanted to show small investors, says an aide, that he "shared their outrage."





But once the questions began, Bush looked like a 5-year-old losing a battle with an ice-cream cone on a summer day. His sale of stock as a director of Harken Energy in 1990, a once scrutinized deal that had faded into obscurity, was now alive in a much less forgiving environment. Bush dumped $848,000 worth of Harken stock two months before the company announced a $23.2 million loss; he was 34 weeks late in filing a form the Securities and Exchange Commission required to record the sale. Old news, the President said, noting that the SEC investigated the sale and took no action.

Bush's business dealings were legal but on the wrong side of the new corporate morality he is now preaching. How could the President chastise executives for doing the same kinds of things he did as a director, without apology? Bush received subsidized loans from Harken to buy company stock—a practice he now wants to ban. In 1989 Harken concealed losses by selling most of a subsidiary to an off-the-books entity controlled by company insiders. Bush was on the audit committee, which, at least in theory, approved the deal. It's the same tactic used by Enron—on a massive, more pernicious scale—before it imploded.

As Bush struggled to explain away the past, Cheney was being investigated by the SEC and sued by Halliburton shareholders and the conservative activist group Judicial Watch. The allegation: that Halliburton, while Cheney was CEO, greased the books to boost the firm's flagging fortunes. Its decline was due in part to Cheney's signature strategic move—Halliburton's merger with Dresser Industries in 1998, when Dresser was about to be buried under asbestos-contamination lawsuits. Halliburton remains burdened with the liability of more than 200,000 suits and as of last year was on the hook for $125 million in settlements. Its stock has fallen from nearly $60 to about $13.50, imperiling the retirement savings of blue-collar workers. (Cheney cashed in his Halliburton stock options before taking office, clearing more than $20 million before the shares tanked.)

Markets need trust as much as they do liquidity. If Bush and Cheney aren't perceived as being clean, how much confidence can investors have in their reforms? "I'm one of these rare creatures who think there must be some responsibility," says Oklahoma City attorney Bill Federman, who is suing Halliburton. "The entire securities market is melting down, and you have the President and Vice President who were apparently involved in the same type of situation that's leading to the meltdown." Federman has company. In a new TIME/CNN poll, 43% said they believe the President's stock sale was improper but not illegal.

When Bush went into the oil business in Midland, Texas, he didn't discover enough of the stuff to strike it rich. He merged his first company, Arbusto (Spanish for "bush"), into one called Spectrum 7 in 1984 and then led the struggling firm into Harken's embrace in 1986. In exchange for his 15% stake in Spectrum, Bush got Harken stock worth some $320,000; he was also hired as an $80,000-a-year consultant. Harken founder Phil Kendrick explained it this way: "His name was George Bush," he told Time. "That was worth the money they paid him."




jpollman
03-17-2004, 06:19 PM
Maybe we should have called this the "Bush bashing forum" !

Ok ok catch&release, we can all go out on the net and cut and paste stories for and against the candidates. Five bashing threads in about 35 minutes and from what I can see, not a thought of your own. Just copies of stories trying to tear down the president.

How about a little bit of your own analysis, not just the medias.

catch&release
03-17-2004, 06:56 PM
Fair enough, Jpollman.

My analysis is that Bush and Cheney have managed to siphon off billions of our tax dollars to fund their friends' corporation.

What have they done for anyone worth less than $50 Million Dollars? Not a damn thing!

Bush/Cheney = Enron/Haliburton. Funny thing how the biggest beneficiary of the War on Iraq is Cheney's old company from which he made a $20 Million Dollar benefit in 2000.

Bush and Cheney are two little piglets sucking on the teats of America's most corrupt corporations which are being sustained by our tax dollars.

jdt
03-17-2004, 07:20 PM
catch&release,you are wasting your breath,they don`t care if bush &chaney are guilty. i agree with your findings,it is common knowledge,however it will not change the far right!

Swamp Monster
03-17-2004, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by catch&release
What have they done for anyone worth less than $50 Million Dollars? Not a damn thing!



And the democrats have done what? They are supposed to be the party of the working class right? The rich liberal dems are no different and if you think they are, you need a better set of glasses.

BTW, my income has increased by almost 70% since Bush took office......and I don't earn anything near $50 million.

C&R, you gotta get out more...go fishing or something, this anger is going to eat you alive! You won't make it 5 more years.....lol!

catch&release
03-17-2004, 07:52 PM
Swamp Monster, I certainly agree with the following assessment:

C&R, you gotta get out more...go fishing or something, this anger is going to eat you alive! You won't make it 5 more years.....lol!

It's been over a month since I have gone fishing. Going to try and get out on the White this Sunday.:D

kingfisher 11
03-17-2004, 08:06 PM
My question is....... Is it possible Halliburton got these contracts because they are the best at what they do?

If someone is successful and rich they are always the enemy. What ever happen to respecting someone for succeeding. The dems have created a class war which is more of class envy.

The Bush's, Cheney and heck even Kerry are rich. They did not get that way by sitting on the butts or winning a lottery. Even in my small world of very little money. Who you know makes a difference. You tend to trust someone you know more then a stranger. I would rather help a friend who is a contractor and get him the contract even if its more money because I know the job will be done right.

I don't mind someone pasting and slamming Bush. You have the right and I support your belief, I don't have to read it. I do because I like to read other points and views. Even if I know how wrong some are. When I was younger and more nieve, I believed most of the media and Dem. crap. Now that I have few years under my belt in the true business world I realize big business is not the enemy. If some of you keep treating it like it is then I won't feel sorry for you when your job goes over seas.

TrailFndr
03-17-2004, 08:28 PM
Big bussiness in and of itself is NOT hte enemy....PROTECTIONISM of that big bussiness...IS the enemy...and lets face facts...this administration has done nothing less than protect big bussiness..

Allow a bussiness to suceed or fail on its own MERITS...not by giving tax breaks to take the work overseas..

MGV
03-17-2004, 08:35 PM
Very interesting argument. I was starting to think the same thing with all the posts. Let Kerry blow his hot hollywood air. Then sit at the botox salon and get shot up. He's a Clinton want to be! I bet Hillary sleeps good in bed with him. In opposite houses dreaming.

TC-fisherman
03-17-2004, 08:41 PM
My question is....... Is it possible Halliburton got these contracts because they are the best at what they do?

They might very well be the best. But they got multimillion dollar no bid contracts. In my town they put out bids to pave the sidewalk. If the someone on the board tried to hand out no bid contracts to a company they once worked for they would be thrown out of office.

How many times can haliburton rip off the us taxpayers before someone cares. Do I need to post the links about the overcharges and fraud?

It's funny how people on this site b*tch about lazy people on welfare taking taxpayer money and not working but a huge company takes taxpayer money for work it didn't do and all people can say is big business is not the enemy. I guess it's okay for our hard earned tax dollars to get wasted through corruption.

Do you think the responses on this site would be differnt if clinton was prez and the money was going to a company hillary worked for?

jpollman
03-17-2004, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by TC-fisherman

Do you think the responses on this site would be differnt if clinton was prez and the money was going to a company hillary worked for?

Heck yeah they'd be different ! It's OK if a Dem. does it. :D

Actually, the responses would be the same. It's just that the names on them would be reversed. :)

IT'S ALL POLITICS at this point !

MGV
03-17-2004, 08:45 PM
Would you really want a half a## company suppling are troops over there. They have proved themselves before why would you bid it out and have to wonder if are troops are being well taken care of.

The Mutt
03-17-2004, 08:45 PM
C & R,
My analysis is Ummmm...and you received your facts for your analysis where??? Oh yeah from the same place you get your cut and paste info. That's not called an "analysis" it's called a biased opinion.

kingfisher 11
03-17-2004, 08:46 PM
I am originally frrm the TC area. Halliburton is a big employer up in your area.
I guess I would have rather seen this no bid contracts go to Hallibuton then some of the other bidders who wanted in, France Russia and Germany.

So far at least they are catching the over charges. I am sure there are more. Not much difference then getting a bill from attorney charging you and extra 10 hours for research.

MGV
03-17-2004, 08:57 PM
I agree Kingfisher. Sorry to you people that are on the other end if offend you. But Kerry makes my skin crawl.

kingfisher 11
03-17-2004, 09:07 PM
JP, you are correct. If a Dem was in office it would be the other way around. Politics are sure ugly. I normally stay out of it. I feel that my childrens futures are more at risk now then before. We will survive job losses and a change to our mfg base. We have always adjusted and will continue to. How do you adjust to a car bomb parked outside a nursery, or school?

The dirtiest and most unenvironmental friendly business is MFG. I would think that all the evironmentalist would be jumping up and down with joy since these jobs are leaving. Instead they hate Bush so bad they talk out of both sides of there mouth.

jpollman
03-17-2004, 09:10 PM
Instead they hate Bush so bad they talk out of both sides of there mouth.

Got that right Kingfisher11 !

All I can say is that it'll be a COLD day in Hell before I vote for a Democrat !

MGV
03-17-2004, 09:14 PM
Amen to Kingfisher and JP!!!!!

TrailFndr
03-17-2004, 09:16 PM
The dirtiest and most unenvironmental friendly business is MFG. I would think that all the evironmentalist would be jumping up and down with joy since these jobs are leaving.

Wake up and smell the coffee gang...its no longer Manufacturing jobs leaving...Its IT jobs...High Paid, HIGHLY skilled BLUE COLLAR.

And its NOT because of enviormental laws in this country. Its simple GREED...Pakistanies and Indians, are willing to do this work for PENNIES a day, In this country...you won't survive on the pay that these so called "American" companies want to pay.

Amazingly, I never see these same companies cutting the pay at the top...Multi million dollar salaries are the norm, Unfortunatly, someone at the bottom has to suffer for them to make it happen.

The Mutt
03-17-2004, 09:24 PM
Wake up and smell the coffee gang... Man if you think that has anything to do with GW then you really need to wake up. I've worked in the IT industry for the last 8 years and all the major companies (Dell, HP, Compaq, etc.) have been using Indian and Pakistani workers far longer than GW has been in office.

Chris_Davis
03-18-2004, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by jpollman
Actually, the responses would be the same. It's just that the names on them would be reversed. :)

IT'S ALL POLITICS at this point !

I haven't heard anyone speak-out about URS Corp and their Iraqi contracts.

Chris_Davis
03-18-2004, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by TC-fisherman
They might very well be the best. But they got multimillion dollar no bid contracts. In my town they put out bids to pave the sidewalk. If the someone on the board tried to hand out no bid contracts to a company they once worked for they would be thrown out of office.


There was only one other company that could have bid on it. The company is a French company. Even if they could've outbid Haliburton it would've cost us more. But hey, you guys could've whined that our tax dollars were going to French laborers.

TC-fisherman
03-18-2004, 12:36 PM
There was only one other company that could have bid on it. The company is a French company.
Where did you find that little bit of information?:rolleyes: