Boehr-Maybe you can see what's up?

[jimbos43]

To STINKY, ON GOING TO HUBBARD LAKE 4 OF US WENT TO HUBBARD LK, THE 23th 24th & 25TH,
FISHING WAS NOT VERY GOOD. DID NOT CATCH ANYTHING. WE GOT TO MEET THE DNR. THEY
CHECKED OUR LIC. AND INFORMED US WE HAD TO MANY LINES IN THE WATER. WE HAD ONE TO
MANY, WHICH WAS A TIP UP AN IT DIDN'T HAVE OUR NAME ON IT. SO HE WROTE US TWO TICKETS
WHICH COST $55.00 EACH. THEY ALSO TOLD US THEY GAVE US A BREAK AND WOULDN'T
CONFISCATE OUR EQUIPMENT. THE NEXT MORNING WE WENT BACK OUT. GOT SET UP FISHING IN
ANOTHER SPOT. WITHIN 15 MIN THEY CAME AND CHECKED US AGAIN. THEY ATTITUDE WAS LIKE
WE WERE CROOKS, TRYING TO RIP OFF THE STATE. I KNOW WE WERE WRONG BUT IT WAS A
HONEST MISTAKE, AND WE TOLD HIM SO. HUBBARD LK IS A NICE PLACE TO GO, WE STAYED AT
THE SANDS RESORT, THEY WERE GREAT PEOPLE. VERY VERY NICE. WE ARE GOING BACK ALSO, IF
YOUR GOING JUST MAKE SURE YOU ABIDE BY THE LAW, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ERROR,
ACCORDING TO THE D.N.R. AND THEY ARE NOT NICE ABOUT IT AND THEY ARE VERY RUDE TOO
THE SANDS RESORT HAS A WEB SITE. YOU CAN CALL EASTSIDE OUTFITTERS AT HUBBARD LK. ASK
FOR ED. GOOD LUCK.
CAN'T GET RITE
BELLEVILLE , MI USA - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 09:34:49 Great Lakes fishing report michigan muskie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I also fished Hubbard Lake last week. The people up there are the best, I was never was treated better. We never
got but one hit in three days, but plan to return soon. Same old story, you should of been here last week! I also had a
run in with our great DNR (two of them), they acted like it was a drug burst. I never met any more rude people in my
life. The guy wrote about a BAD ATTITUDE, you had to be there to see these guys. Something should be done about
the way they allowed to talk to you. So if you are going to Hubbard Lake FISHERMAN BEWARE!
Mike <critter@tir.com>
Livonia, mi USA - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 15:35:28 Great Lakes fishing report michigan muskie walleye salmon northbay steelhea-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Found this on another site, just reposting it. Not good for public relations, especially the second post.

[boehr]

Best advice I can give is contact the officer's District Supervisor. I will not tolorate it in my District and I'm sure that Lt. will not either but unless you call him he will never know about it. Give him the officer's names and talk to him about it.

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[boehr]

jimbos...Your post concerned me and as I re-read your post I can not figure out for sure if this happened to you or if you pulled this off some other web site. I would like to know which is it, did this happen to you?

The post states you pulled it off another web site so I'm guessing that both messages are just copied, especially the way the formatting is on the post. There are always two sides to every story and unless the actual person posting it can place factual information, I don't put much faith in the posts. The first post about two tickets for one line over tells me there is something missing here. I can't understand how two tickets would little alone were wrote for one violation. One might say that there were two violation from the post, too many lines and no name on the tip up but no ticket would have been wrote for the name simply because the line was illegal anyways.

Sorry, but part of this story is missing.

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[jimbos43]

Found this on another site, just reposting it. Not good for public relations, especially the second post.------------ Boehr, Just reposting it, put that in at the bottom, but you must of missed it. Actually I felt bad after bringing it up, because you seem like one concerned DNR officer, and hell, your not responsible for others actions. ----There's more complaining about the DNR officers up at Hubbard on a few more posts, one from a local. So it seems to be something more then one complaining idiot that doesn't know how to count rods and tip-ups. Have a nice evening. http://www.greatmich.com/fishrep/report.htm

[boehr]

I have seen a number of posts like that back in the fall of 99 on the Michigan Steelhead site about happenings in my District. So I made it a point to investigate some of those stories and guess what, I never found one story true. In fact, nobody could tell me who the "bad" things actually happened to. It was one guy heard a story who told it to another who told it to another and someone posted the story that he was told, and I'm sure you know what happens to stories passed a number of time from one to another.

Bottom line is, officers do screw up sometimes, PR is always effected sometimes , some fact some fiction. Unless the actual people step forward, I will not believe it. Just like I wouldn't believe a story about anybody on this site if someone else told me something unless I found out for myself.

[bonasabuster]

have you guys ever heard of a game face? my game warden (ohio) sits at my table and tells lies and drinks coffee and laughs and has a good time but when he checks me out in the field especially if im with a group of hunters he is all buisness.won't crack a smile as long as there is anyone else with me.at first i did take this as rude but then i got to thinking.these men deal with the public day in and day out this alone is enough to make ya a cynical butthead.as a military policeman in the army i was the same way.when dealing with people you do not know personally you can not show a sign that you can be pushed. they do not know if the people they are dealing with are good honest people who have made a mistake or a scumbucket who would rather shoot them as look at them. now this may be overly dramatic but, when an officer shows a stern approach and someone gets a ticket or just the third degree. they get thier feelings or thier ego hurt and then before you know it the story gets blown way out of proportion.

[icewolf]

Here is one for the CO`S i was hunting in
Brighton a few years back when you had to
have your license on your back i forgot the
safety pin to pin it on so i put it in my back pocket while walking down a dirt road
2 co`s stop me to check my license when i
pulled it from my back pocket he sed it was
to be on your back i told them i forgot the
safety pin one went back to there car an
opend the trunk he came back with a safety
pin he sed turnaround an he pined the license on my back an sed make sure it is on
your back when you are hunting then he sed
have a good day hunting i sed THANK YOU.

[paul jukkala]

Sunday,02 Feb Chassel Bay, MI I started fishing at daybreak; worked 6 holes all day with tip-ups, jigging rods, minnows on floats, (but only 2 lines at a time.) Caught one decent walleye( supper ) and quite a few pike (released). About mid-afternoon the DNR officer walked out and checked me out for license and looked at my fish. No problem, I'm legal. Not according to him; he's going to write me a ticket for too many lines because I have a hole inside my shelter and a rod with a dead minnow on the hook leaning up in the corner. What! I'm sitting here watching my 2 tip-ups and drinking coffee enjoying a good day one minute then the next I'm being told " I'm sure you had 3 lines in the water, all you guys do it." Then he feels this dead, stiff minnow on my jigging rod and says "its still wet, you must have had it in the water." I don't know about anyone else's tents but the plastic/canvas that mine is made of has water running down the walls all the time when i have the heater on. Hat ,gloves, lunch, everything gets wet if you leave it touching long enough. We went back and forth for a while, then he said he wouldn't give me a ticket this time. He reminded me about the two line limit and left. But he wasn't done yet. I went back to fishing. Went out and lifted one of the tip-ups out, laid it aside, then cleaned out the rest of my holes and did some jigging. No luck. Put my tip-up back down the hole and went back inside. Not 3 minutes later, the same warden is back, on a snowmobile this time. He said he was going to give me a ticket for too many lines. He had been watching with binoculars and saw me jigging the other holes while I still had 2 tip-ups out. Now I'm getting warm under the collar, and told him he wasn't watching too close or he would have seen me lift the tip-up out before I started jigging and put it back when I was done. Back and forth a few more minutes then he gave up on the ticket and started to leave. Said he was going to check all the holes i used, I may have put a set line in some of them. Give me a break!( there were none.) That was about all, but it sure ruined a good day. Especially the comment about old time violators who were lucky enough not to have been caught yet. I hope he wasn't directing that at me. I'm not THAT old. But I have fished for over 40 years. and have been checked by many times, the last 7 or 8 years by this same fellow, and never had a problem. If I was a violator,someone would have given me a ticket by now, I'm sure. Whatever made him try to bully me into a ticket that way I don't know; but it sure ticked me off. I can see why there are so many stories out there. Glad to get that off my chest, I feel better now. Paul

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pj

[jimbos43]

Personally i've never run into a rude C.O. I was relating a couple of stories to Boehr that I found on another site. The only time I had ever had even a small problem was on Little Traverse Bay. I was early for a tournament I was fishing in, a figured i'd get out and try to find the fish. I was not planning on keeping any, just searching. I did have 3 rods out for a time, but had seen a boat about a mile up, going over to each boat. I kind of had a feeling it was the C.O. so I reeled in one rod. Of course what do I do, catch a laker on another rod. I real it in and threw it back. So I decide to change lures on the extra rod I had out, I took off the lure and here comes the C.O. he knew I was using 3 rods, and gave me all kinds of grief in a firm manner. I deserved it. The only thing that got me off is he wanted to see the end of the 3rd rod I was using, and I had just taken off the lure. Then he looked in my livewell and I didn't have any fish. He left disgusted, but I didn't get a ticket.

[bonasabuster]

paul i beleive your story would fall under the don't leave anything to interpetation rule.

[boehr]

Like I said above,

Originally posted by boehr:
Bottom line is, officers do screw up sometimes

I have also posted before, CO's are no different than the rest of us are, a few screw up, have bad hair days, are human, whatever, most do a great job all the time. Most people CO's check would post good experiences but unless you have a complaint, it's not worth posting for most of us.

With the few bad experiences some have, with 20,000 tickets wrote every year and hundreds of thousands of people checked by CO's every year, I think the percentages are pretty good that CO's are pretty good people trying to help sportpersons.

As I've also posted, if you feel you have been wronged, you should contact the CO's supervisor and get it corrected. Posting, story telling does not fix anything, for you or others.