Improving stream habitat

[WEEZER]

I was wondering if it is legal to add natural structure to a trout stream. What I was thinking is along the line of putting in logs along the bank to create a little more of an undercut. Also like what TU did on the Man. and put in a couple of pine trees.
What about taking out parts of log jams that would help to speed up the flow of the river?

[Bob S]

I would recommend that you contact the DEQ if you are going to do anything involving water.

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[boehr]

Bob S is correct, contact Land & Water Management Division of the DEQ.

[jimbos43]

Not crabbing at you Boehr but-----How it ever come to where you can't do anything without getting some government agencys o.k. to do anything. Got a puddle on your property-nope can't fill it in, that's a wetland. Got a creek running through your property, nope don't touch it, there's some rare snail under a rock that you might harm. Deer? who ever gave the state the right to say, those deer are owned by the state. For a free country, it sure does seem like were hamstrung by all kinds of government rules and regulations, and agencies. I can truly see why people like Randy Weaver just want to be left alone, even then the government wouldn't let him.

[Bob S]

Originally posted by jimbos43:
How it ever come to where you can't do anything without getting some government agencys o.k. to do anything.
For a free country, it sure does seem like were hamstrung by all kinds of government rules and regulations, and agencies.
We got to this because the voters continue to vote for polititions who want big government with all of these agencies. Try to eliminate some kind of agency or program and see how many people yell and scream about it. No politician will ever try to curtail the DEQ because the environmentalist groups will be all over him(or her) and we will be sitting silent. Take a poll of members of this board and many will be in favor of the DEQ.


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[This message has been edited by Bob S (edited 01-19-2001).]

[boehr]

Originally posted by jimbos43:
Not crabbing at you Boehr but-----How it ever come to where you can't do anything without getting some government agencys o.k. to do anything. Got a puddle on your property-nope can't fill it in, that's a wetland. Got a creek running through your property, nope don't touch it, there's some rare snail under a rock that you might harm. Deer? who ever gave the state the right to say, those deer are owned by the state. For a free country, it sure does seem like were hamstrung by all kinds of government rules and regulations, and agencies. I can truly see why people like Randy Weaver just want to be left alone, even then the government wouldn't let him.

I can understand, heck I don't agree with everything either, in fact, there a lot I disagree with but, for example, the deer probably wouldn't be here if the "government" never had but some restrictions on them back in the early 1900's. Commercialization and such of the deer and many other types of game. Turkey, elk and moose were around at one time and they disappearred from the state and it was government with the aid of sportsmen to bring those back into the state. Salmon, same thing.

As far as DEQ, I can only imagine what would happen if there were no regulations. Pollution, destruction of the environment, we would have no streams to worry about improving if it was left up to the people with big money, which I don't think any of us are included in the definition of big money, but they would be out to make more money than they do if they had no worry about where their wastes and types of wastes were going. So, I agree with you and disagree.

The bottom line though is "we are the government". We can change things if the majority chooses too. Not everybodys ever going to always agree. I love the saying by, I believe, President Lincoln, I can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but I can never please all the people all the time.