PBS outdoors shows

[Houghton laker]

Just watching another thursday night of Michigans outdoors shows...Practical sp.....Great lakes...Mich. out of doors... Is it just me or do these shows seem to be getting worse and worse???what happened to Icefishing???? Seems like they always show the same old stuff!! Maybe it's just me???

[MSUICEMAN]

I was just thinkin bout that the other day...... not an icefishing segment that i have seen yet, whats up with that? we are still in michigan aren't we (insert twilight zone music here).....

steve

[ERGOMAN]

especially trost, i cant remember the last time he televised a segment that wasn't several years old. I respect that he's still on, it cant be easy but come on--stick a camera with any number of people on this site alone and he'd have something better than county of the week. my 2c

[Buzzy]

I try to watch these shows but after a while it gets hard to stay awake:o

[Melon]

Yeah, Freds show is pretty bad. He never has any new footage. Most of the time the clips seem older than me!

[beer and nuts]

Last night the one about the sturgeon fishing on Lake otsego(MUCC). Lets see they snag the sturgeon-look at the tape that fish never had it in its mouth, the guy said set the hook and it set right in the back part of the fish. They then handle the fish out of the water for what seemed like a quite a bit of time, they knew it was snagged and should have kept the fish at least in the water and got the hook out and released immediately(under Michigan law that is what they were suppose to do anyways). Then after a good battle and being out of the water, she picks the fish up and nose-dives the fish back into the water and goes under the ice, and she acts like it swam away, when in all chance that fish could have bellyed up but she would have never known it the way it was released(thrown) back in. I have nothing against MUCC, but that release of the fish was what disturbed me the most, after it was out of water. They should have released it by the tail to make sure it had enough strength and had recovered. Maybe I'm making too much out of it, but thats the way I viewed it.

[Tattoo Mike]

They are still better than ER.

[fmontie]

The eating segments really get my family laughing. The one big guy really loves his food!

[mickey]

Yeah, I missed it last night. I did catch part of a Rob Trott show a couple weeks ago where they caught a muskie. Anybody see this?

It was a great segment right up to the part where they released it by throwing it up in the air where it splashed into the water. Careless....I feel that if your going to be showing someone (the viewer) how to do something, show them how to care for it too.

[east bay ed]

i think jenny will be up on hubbard feb 15 or 16. would like to do a ice segment with some eyes and a few of those 12-15 inch perch. i talked to fred about 3 winters ago and offered him free lodging and i would take him out. still have not heard back. i talked to rob and he said he never gets any fish on hubbard. talked to kyle randall and he just blew me off , i can't stand to watch him shoot a deer in a enclosure one more time. i give jimmy and jenny credit they at least try to get some new stuff. i took jenny white fish spearing two years ago but just couldn't get any footage.
i realize it's a hard job to get footage every week but boy i would love to have it.

[Garret]

Mickey...I did see the Rob Trott "Musky chucking contest".

TIME TO VENT!

I was appalled and angered by the actions of the charter captain that literally thru the fish 6 feet in the air to release it. I think he was more worried about getting himself messy then what harm he causes to the fish. One really nice musky floated away on it's side stunned and you can hear the captain saying "he's okay".

This guy charters on LSC? I hope to run into him sometime. He probably injures half the fish he catches. What a dope!!

I'm not one of those guys that lifts every fish out of the water using a cheese cloth tied to a couple of wood poles but I try to be as quick and easy on any fish that I catch. Especially if it's exhausted after a good battle.

I'm surprised Rob Trot didn't edit that part out.
:mad:

[Tattoo Mike]

I have seen what you are talking about many times on different shows. Members or the LSC mucskie clubs call it a torpedo launch and say its the best way to do it. I'm not saying its right as I dont fish for them just stating what I have seen.

[Can't Touch This]

I think michigan out-of-doors is a great show, but they've been hunting for 3 or 4 months strait!!!!! They do show great fishing shows in summer, i just don't think they want to go ice fishing, don't know why. They had a great show last year on big bay de noc, with martin, and that other guy, they slayed the eyes, and caught a nice splake, and showed you the proper way to work a jigging rapala. Practicle sportsman just plain sucks. He shows old shows, and doesn't even talk about the outdoors, or anything that deals with the outdoors, they should take him off the air. GLS with trott has some good shows hear and there, but they show stories from africa, and panama, not the great lakes. Mike Avery on the outdoor channel is a good show, and there are other good shows on that channel based in the great lakes region.

[Tattoo Mike]

Originally posted by Can't Touch This
Practicle sportsman just plain sucks. He shows old shows, and doesn't even talk about the outdoors, or anything that deals with the outdoors, they should take him off the air.

Umm if he's not talking about the outdoors then what is he talking about? It's not football. He shows old clips yep. He explained why a bunch of times. I watch him whenever I can and occasional find an entertaining show.

[Hunt4Ever]

I like ER! I like Survivir too!

[mickey]

A torpedo launch? I never heard of this. Can a muskie expert confirm this method? Maybe Im the fool? :)

[Hamilton Reef]

I see or communicate with the MUCC people often. The one thing that stands out with their programing is they try so hard to be squeeky clean absolutely pollically perfect. Nothing wrong with that, but sometimes comes across a little stiff or put on. They mean well and do promote the outdoors for everyone both programing and state policy. They are one vioice we need in Lansing.

[Garret]

Your not the fool Mickey. The bozo from the show is! I've fished musky many times and watched people fish for them. I had never seen this before?

Maybe someone can help us out with this.

Even if this torpedo launch is used by Professionals, there is no way it helps the fish recoup. I don't see this style release used in any other form of fishing, fresh or salt water?. Why Musky?

In my opinion, some people are just to lazy to slow the boat down. Too greedy to take the time and let the fish regroup some of it's strength. GOTTA GET ANOTHER ONE AS FAST AS I CAN. CAN'T CATCH MUSKY WHEN THE BOATS NOT MOVE'N! Numbers are everything to "some" (I repeat) "some" charters and the more you catch the better your business. I like them to do well, catch lot's of fish and make lot's of money but at least be concerned about the fish and it's health. It's no benefit to the fish. I'm sure of that!

I'm sorry, I forgot. All the Musky fishing shows I've watched over the years from up in Canada and MN, MI ect...show a guy start up his boat get up some speed and heave the fish in the air. I think I saw that on IN FISHERMAN last week?

;) NOT!

[mickey]

LOL @ Garrett.

You guys really had to see this. He didn't just throw it overboard, or release it without revivng it.
He threw the fish literally up in the air and out as far as he could pitch it. I mean he went out of his way to HEAVE this monster in the air. Would have been less effort to do it right....:rolleyes:

But like I said, maybe this it is my own ignorance...maybe muskie do better after smacking the water at terminal velocity :D

[Tattoo Mike]

I've seen it on saltwater shows too. Beats me why. I wish I could remember the show I saw it on. I swear it was Orlando Wilson or another bass guy and they were on St. Clair. They did the torpedo launch over and over and over. Even explained why they do it. The guy was a charter boat captain and head of some "big"? Musky chapter and thats how they did it. I remember it clearly now just not who's show it was for sure.

[mickey]

I believe ya Mike. Just seemed strange to see.
Should try this in the summer trout fishing. Give some flydunker a hard attack when I chuck a 10" brown 50 yards out and 30 feet in the air....LOL Then yell downstream "It'll make it.....Oh yeah, just let her float by....it's sleeping....." LOL

[Tattoo Mike]

LMAO :D

[MSUICEMAN]

fire in the hole!!!!!


i've seen the "torpedo" launch used.... don't know rhyme or reason, some people think its fine, i don't know. would have to talk to someone that knows more than myself......


steve

[Garret]

Just about fell of my chair Mickey! That's funny!:p

[IT pimp 2002]

They say that aggressivly pushing the fish (salmon, muskies, steel ect) in a downward thrust, that means no ark like the idiot on tv is a great way to release larger fish. It does work, just no upward ark. Hope ethat helps.

[east bay ed]

does that mean those salmon on the stream banks in the fall are just sleeping?

[Hamilton Reef]

The only time a torpedo launch release is needed is when there is a very warm surface water and we are attempting to get the fish below the warm strata to the cooler water below. A high lob is not needed. Just aim right next to the boat and perfectly straight down. In reality for musky fishing it is seldom needed, because the water fished is fairly shallow and the temperature is the same all the way down. On the big lake for salmon and steelhead there may be a top warm scum line to get below to the cooler water.

[bigberniegb]

All Linder has a new program . I think he was great on In-Fisherman but he has left the show and started a new program called Angeling Edge it is shone on Saturdays on Outdoor Life Network at 1:00 pm. Let me know how you guys like it . I don't think Mr. Linder will let you down.

[dja511]

When you revive a fish you gently rock it back and forth moving water through it's gills. The only problem is when you pull it backwards you are making the fish perform an unnatural motion. Don't get me wrong, fish can and do move water through thier gills backwards(example; a bass spitting a bait) but this is not thier normal behavior. When torpedoing is done correctly it revives the fish in a much faster and more natural manner. I won't say that rocking the fish back and forth doesn't work, but if you think about it when a fish is swimming water comes in through the mouth and out through the gills. Hence natural movement and this is how it filters out the oxygen that it needs from the water. Unless you can hold a forty inch musky next to your boat and drive a couple of mph with it facing the same direction as the boat torpedoing is the best method, when done correctly. It is quite obvious in the case in question correctly was left at the dock. Just some thoughts to ponder.:rolleyes:

[Randy Kidd]

Although I quit watching Fred a few years ago, I still remember that the only Ice fisning segment was the one where they hooked the scoop to the guys line, It was kinda funny the first time I saw it. But after the fourth of fifth time it got kinda old.

[Chuck1]

In defense of the mucc show, Gabe Van Wormer (he's one of the producers I believe) asked me to get ahols of him if we can get into some good panfish action.. We have had a few good day's but it has been hard to keep a consistant bite going anywhere. I asked them if they wanted to do a show at Couchiching, being alot of michigan anglers fish Simcoe/Couch, but I haven't heard back from them. Probably a little to much hassle for them.. It would make a helluva show though...

[Hamilton Reef]

It is difficult for most of us to hear about the fishing and get there after they were biting yesterday. This is even more difficult for the TV show producers on very tight production schedules within time and travel restraints.

I respect the TV shows that show the honest trips. The real life shows are much better than all those phony fenced in canned hunts that only require money for number of antler points.

[Matt3ddsteel]

All PBS outdoor shows suck and are horrible. Enough said.