What is this boat?

[pescadero]

Registration says 1962 Chriscraft.

14 foot, aluminum runabout. Don't what it really is... no capacity tag, serial number, nothing...

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6677.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6678.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6679.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6680.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6681.jpg

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lp

[Lucky Dog]

I just thumbed through my Chris craft book, and there is no mention of a small aluminum outboard in 1962 or any of the 60's for that matter.

Could it be an Aristocraft???

Pretty cool looking old boat, is there a hull number on it?

[pescadero]

I just thumbed through my Chris craft book, and there is no mention of a small aluminum outboard in 1962 or any of the 60's for that matter.

Yeah, I'm certain it isn't a Chris Craft.

Could it be an Aristocraft???

Mt best guess at this point is a Duratech Marlin

http://www.duratechboats.com/pb/wp_f1bdb4da/images/img1584146eb269e61c57.jpg

http://www.duratechboats.com/pb/wp_3e83b1fc/images/img1418045515f6684942.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/duratechcatalog1965.html

Pretty cool looking old boat, is there a hull number on it?

Not a thing...

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lp

[Crowhunter]

It might be a Cherokee .Bud

[john warren]

well,,, if its registered a chriscraft,,,its now a chriscraft,,, so...go fishing looks like a dandy fishing boat.

[pescadero]

well,,, if its registered a chriscraft,,,its now a chriscraft,,, so...go fishing looks like a dandy fishing boat.

I'm just hoping to find out what it is for two reasons:

1) No capacity plate. I have no idea what the max size acceptable motor is, nor how much weight it can safely handle.

2) Restoring it in the future will be a lot easier if I have some idea what it is...

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lp

[TONGA]

1) No capacity plate. I have no idea what the max size acceptable motor is

Have a real good look around the boat, some manufacturers put them in strange places like up under the guns, up in the tip of the boat or on the back of the dash panel.
As for motor capacity? With an old boat like that try to think of it in terms of size not horse power,
So it looks to have an early 60’s Johnson super 40 on her and that’s about as big as you can go. I bet if you find the tag it will read 45hp max, so back when that boat was made it would give you a max choice of an Big twin John/Rude/Gale like is on it or maybe a big twin Mcculloch or a small mercury 4 cylinder 45hp.
They would cut it off at 45hp because back then John/Rude made a fat 50 V-4 and there is no way they would want you to hang one of those monsters on that poor little boat!
So sticking to the John/Rude stuff the motor you have now would have been a 35hp in 59 then 40hp during the 60’s then suddenly in 70 it picked up another carb and became 50hp then mid 70’s 55hp
And eventually ringing out at 60hp, this of course is leaving out factory hot rods.
So what I am saying is even though your boat is probably 45hp max your boat would handle any of the big twin John/Rude’s without much fuss, or any of the small mercury 4 cylinders.
Just look at it from a size weight perspective.
The motor that is on it was a pretty reliable motor but they can be a little hard on fuel and if it has the optional belt driven generator it will be much easier to live with, if you find a big twin from the 70’s they do a bit better on fuel, but you may just want to keep the vintage power, you know so you are era-correct!

[pescadero]

Yeah, I'm certain it isn't a Chris Craft.



Mt best guess at this point is a Duratech Marlin

http://www.duratechboats.com/pb/wp_f1bdb4da/images/img1584146eb269e61c57.jpg

http://www.duratechboats.com/pb/wp_3e83b1fc/images/img1418045515f6684942.jpg

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/duratechcatalog1965.html



Not a thing...

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lp

Well, according to the dude who runs duratechboats.com - it ain't a Duratech. I'm still a bit suspicious he might be wrong... but he's supposedly the expert.

So now I'm back to square one. I've done everything but start pulling part off, and not a logo, number, name - nothing anywhere.

Someone, somewhere must know what it is...

[DangerDan]

Have you tried iboats.com yet? I'm sure someone on there could identify it pretty quickly.

[ESOX]

I'm thinking it kind of favors a Lone Star.

Edit........
The steering wheel is certainly right for it to be one. Is the dash finished in a rough textured paint?

[pescadero]

Have you tried iboats.com yet? I'm sure someone on there could identify it pretty quickly.

Yep, I've had a post up there for a couple of days and no one has come up with an answer... that was the first place I thought of posting.

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lp

[pescadero]

I'm thinking it kind of favors a Lone Star.

It doesn't look like any Lone Star pictures I've been able to find, but it could be.


The steering wheel is certainly right for it to be one. Is the dash finished in a rough textured paint?

Nope... the dash is more like tuck & roll/pleated vinyl.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6681.jpg

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lp

[pescadero]

A little more (although almost certainly useless) info.

The hardware (cleats/bow light) are Nautalloy Skylark model (1960)

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/nautalloycat1.html

The motor is a Johnson RDS-23 - 1961 40HP Super Seahorse.

So it looks like the 1961 date is probably correct. Too bad the actual brand on the title isn't.

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lp

[TONGA]

Did you check her nose to tail for that plate?
Is there any indication she was ever sporting badges, you know like a small pattern of holes where it may have been riveted on, if not maybe she was marked with decals, that may help if you start to get really CSI.
To look at her I am kind of with Esox, it dose have a real Loan Star look to her or maybe Crestliner.

[pescadero]

Did you check her nose to tail for that plate?

I've looked just about everywhere possible without removing anything - under the deck, backside of the dash, underside of gunwales, under side of splashwell, all over th transom inside and out...

There is one spot on the inside of the transom that looks like it might have formerly held the capacity plate (or some sort of small riveted on plate) - but nothing that looks like it would have been a logo or identifying mark... and of course the plate is gone.


Is there any indication she was ever sporting badges, you know like a small pattern of holes where it may have been riveted on, if not maybe she was marked with decals, that may help if you start to get really CSI.


I can't find any - but this boat has been repainted, and I don't know how many times.


To look at her I am kind of with Esox, it dose have a real Loan Star look to her or maybe Crestliner.

I can't find a picture of a Lone Star that looks anything like it. I just started looking into Crestliner before I saw this message... there might be some promise there.

The shape looks close to being right for a Crestliner, and it also has no rivets above the spray rail - which matches with the Crestliner "Invisible Riveting". So that is where I'm investigating now...

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lp

[TONGA]

Was a site for nothing but classic aluminum boats but I can’t seem to find it ,plus the feather craft board, the loan star board, and I believe there was even a site for Crests but I can’t seem to find anything now.
Of course I am more of a strange old fiberglass kind of guy.
I think you need to find the board where the alumanuts hang out!
good luck and “the truth is out there”

[mb]

Try looking at fiberglassics.com They have info on old fiberglass as well as aluminum boats

[tinmarine]

Was a site for nothing but classic aluminum boats but I can’t seem to find it ,plus the feather craft board, the loan star board, and I believe there was even a site for Crests but I can’t seem to find anything now.
Of course I am more of a strange old fiberglass kind of guy.
I think you need to find the board where the alumanuts hang out!
good luck and “the truth is out there”

Was looking at that feather craft board last night. Those are some cool old boats. The moderators boat is fully polished to a mirror finish. Wow. Would love to have one of those.

[Naden fourteen]

The transom and the cutwater angle scream 'Crestliner' to me. also that characteristic long deck. There are a lot of aluminum boat fans on fiberglassics.com who can likely pin it down for you.

[flinch]

Here is the 1962 crestliner catalog:

http://www.retrocrestliner.com/1962%20crestliner%20catalog.htm

[pescadero]

Try looking at fiberglassics.com They have info on old fiberglass as well as aluminum boats

Yep... tried there also... as well as:

theclassicboathouse.com
feathercraft.net

...and probably at least another 40 places.

It's a real stumper.

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lp

[pescadero]

Was a site for nothing but classic aluminum boats but I can’t seem to find it ,plus the feather craft board,

http://www.feathercraft.net/

and I believe there was even a site for Crests but I can’t seem to find anything now.

http://www.retrocrestliner.com


I think you need to find the board where the alumanuts hang out!
good luck and “the truth is out there”


Heh... well, I've talked with folks at iboats.com, duratechboats.net, theclassicboathouse.com, fiberglassics.com, and feathercraft.net so far... I'm waiting for a moderator at retrocrestliner.com to give me access so I can post there. I've looked at every posted bit of literature or picture on all those sites, plus a good 30-40 more. It's definitely a tough nut to crack.

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lp

[pescadero]

Current best guess - Crestliner Falcon

http://www.retrocrestliner.com/1960%20crestliner/1960%20page11%20voyager%2015.jpg

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lp

[pescadero]

Found two small plates that used to be riveted to the inside of the transom. Plates read as follows

M 45-12230-P

F-12425

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lp

[TONGA]

Yea she looks a lot like that crestliner and it looks like found the manufacturer and probably serial number. If it were a Glastron I could help you out but I can not crack those numbers, but I think if you make another round and post those numbers you will find a someone who knows the combination to crack that nut!

[flinch]

It's probably not a crestliner since no old crestliners have that seem running down the middle of the front of the boat connecting the two halfs on top. I have only seen that in an 18 foot chriscraft.

[pescadero]

It's probably not a crestliner since no old crestliners have that seem running down the middle of the front of the boat connecting the two halfs on top. I have only seen that in an 18 foot chriscraft.

Based on looking at the underside of the deck, there is no seam running down the middle of the deck. That piece on the top of the deck doesn't actually appear to be covering anything.

I agree that none of the Crestliners I've seen have that feature.

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lp

[tinmarine]

Looks close to a crestliner, but, that's the same steering wheel that arkansas traveler used. Lines look different than the arkansas though.

[pescadero]

Some more pictures/info

The two found plates (M 45-12230-P on left, F-12425 on right) :

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/2plates.jpg


Original plate locations (see red arrows):
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/platelocation.jpg


Pictures of various caps:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/nosecaptop.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/nosecapbottom.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/rearcornercaptop.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/rearcornercapbottom.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/dashendcap.jpg


Windscreen (attachment and logo - "Water Bonnet"):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/windscreenattachment.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/windscreenlogo.jpg


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lp

[pescadero]

Some more pictures/info

Bilge/Transom/Splashwell (not odd metal bracket in last photo on transom where motor tightens down):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/bilge.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/bilgedrainoutside.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/transom-splashwell-inside.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/wierdtransomplate.jpg


Under footwell floor (pic 1 from above, pic 2 looking from bow towards stern):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/underfootwellfloorremoved.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/centerfloorsupport.jpg


Underside of bow deck:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/undersidedeck.jpg


Detail bits (speedo, steering wheel, steering wheel center cap):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/speedometer.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/steeringwheel.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/steeringwheelcap.jpg


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lp

[pescadero]

Looks close to a crestliner, but, that's the same steering wheel that arkansas traveler used. Lines look different than the arkansas though.

The hull looks nothing like an Arkansas Traveler, and a lot like a Crestliner.

The windscreen attachment looks like Crestliner.

The bow deck doesn't look like a Crestline (strip down middle).

The transition from the corner caps to the transom looks vaguely Cresliner-esque, but not right.

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lp

[tinmarine]

I know this is a glass boat, but it has a similar look and if you scroll though the pics, you notice it has the same overheat gauge. Starcraft maybe????

http://www.forums.starcraftowners.com/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=446

[tinmarine]

Here's a 16' with similarities.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/boa/1110759719.html

[pescadero]

Here's a 16' with similarities.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/boa/1110759719.html

Notice that the hull is lapstrake. I've yet to find a picture of an aluminum Starcraft that wasn't lapstrake.

The hull shape and windscreen attachments look very Crestliner - but the nose and corner caps don't really.

The rub rail around the interior looks like some Alumacrafts, but I can't find one that really looks much like this thing.

Someone, somewhere must know what it is - but I've yet to find them.

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lp

[Rupestris]

I know you're not sold on the Alumacraft but check out the wheel and the gunnel caps on this one:

http://www.shareaproject.com/fullImages/4399.jpg

[k8vol]

It's not a creastliner it would say creastliner on the rear corners plus starboard side it would have the ser# stamped in the hull just below the gunwell. and the tin work is all wrong for a 1962 creatliner have had 4 boats of the right years of yours and they all look the same in the rivioting lay out you may have to look to areo craft of the detroit mi area or alum craft the queen of the water . steve k8vol. p.s. they all had a sticker in the rear area next to the corner that said max hp and brand . good luck.

[k8vol]

Just thinking the ribs in the bottom run the wrong way for a crestliner also . and it's not afeathercraft ribs on them run like a fish bone system. steve k8vol.

[k8vol]

Is this boat a welded hull and is there holes in the rear sides from trim . if so it maybe a 1964 1st welded creatliner ? now I feel dumb now maybe . steve k8vol

[Mister ED]

Now I have to admit I do not know my old alum boats. However, I think more pics of the transom might be in order. Something striked me odd in the way the wood and aluminum come together back there. The wood is full coverage across the back, but looks like it does not run all the way to the bottom of the hull. Take a look at one of the corner pics ... The hull alum looks like it extends back, so it is flush with the transom wood. They way I remember most of the transoms is like shown on that Alumacraft.

I think the stringers along with the transom will be your final verification pieces.

[tinmarine]

Notice that the hull is lapstrake. I've yet to find a picture of an aluminum Starcraft that wasn't lapstrake.

The hull shape and windscreen attachments look very Crestliner - but the nose and corner caps don't really.

The rub rail around the interior looks like some Alumacrafts, but I can't find one that really looks much like this thing.

Someone, somewhere must know what it is - but I've yet to find them.

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lp

I actually have an old 14' starcraft aluminum that isn't lapstrake. My dad's 16' is. I don't have a runabout, it's just a rowboat. Had two tags on it. both on the transom, one on each side. Starboard side is gone, port side is barely there. Can just barely make out the model (Pelican) and the serial number. Everything else is not legible. The pic of the AlumaCraft looks ALOT like yours though.

[pescadero]

Is this boat a welded hull and is there holes in the rear sides from trim . if so it maybe a 1964 1st welded creatliner ? now I feel dumb now maybe . steve k8vol

The hull structure is welded, and the keel piece/splash rails are riveted in place over them.

Basically there are lots of rivets, but they aren't holding the basic hull together.

In the following pictures you can see the weld seams, as well as rivets.


Inside view with weld seam and rivets visible:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/undersidedeck.jpg

Weld seam visible:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/underfootwellfloorremoved.jpg

Outside rivets visible:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/side-rivets.jpg

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lp

[pescadero]

Now I have to admit I do not know my old alum boats. However, I think more pics of the transom might be in order. Something striked me odd in the way the wood and aluminum come together back there. The wood is full coverage across the back, but looks like it does not run all the way to the bottom of the hull. Take a look at one of the corner pics ... The hull alum looks like it extends back, so it is flush with the transom wood.

I'll try to get some more pictures up this afternoon.

But I'm pretty sure you're absolutely correct - vertically the transom wood doesn't cover the hull, but it is full width horizontally... and I'm almost certain the hill side metal extends past the transom skin so it is flush with outside of the transom wood.


I think the stringers along with the transom will be your final verification pieces.

Yeah - the stringers/ribs/whatever you want to call them run fore-aft, (like I'd expect in a glass boat) as opposed to port-starboard. They are also square tubing, not half-round like in many/most aluminum boats.

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lp

[pescadero]

I actually have an old 14' starcraft aluminum that isn't lapstrake. My dad's 16' is. I don't have a runabout, it's just a rowboat. Had two tags on it. both on the transom, one on each side. Starboard side is gone, port side is barely there. Can just barely make out the model (Pelican) and the serial number. Everything else is not legible. The pic of the AlumaCraft looks ALOT like yours though.

Yeah, I've seen a few older model open rowboats from Starcraft that aren't lapstrake. Haven't seen any runabouts, but they might be out there.

That Alumacraft is by far the closest thing I've seen up to this point in terms of the number of elements which match...

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lp

[pescadero]

Newest features...

Possible original deck color - sort of a metallic bronze color:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/DSCF6706.jpg


Possible logo rivet holes (exist in same position on both sides):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/nameplateholes.jpg

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lp

[ESOX]

I bet that first coat is a zinc oxide or zinc chromate primer, used to used extensively as a primer for aluminum, still used in aviation.




Edit:
Here is a link
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/ptizincoxideprimer.php

[pescadero]

I bet that first coat is a zinc oxide or zinc chromate primer, used to used extensively as a primer for aluminum, still used in aviation.




Edit:
Here is a link
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/ptizincoxideprimer.php

Could be - but seeing as how the current paint is the only thing on top of it, and the previous owner told me he was the one that painted the paint that is on there now - it would seem odd to have it come from the factory with just primer and no paint.

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lp

[eddiejohn4]

Sweet looking boat Pescardero good luck with the id.

[pescadero]

Sweet looking boat Pescardero good luck with the id.

Took it out for the first time last saturday - ran good, and it goes real well. Needs a bit of tweaking, but all in all I can't complain.

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lp

[pescadero]

Looks like we have at least a manufacturer ID.

A fellow on another board has solved the mystery. The mystery boat appears to be a Cherokee.

Bilge outside comparison -

mine:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/bilgedrainoutside.jpg

His (known Cherokee):
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/Robert%20Boat/transom-outside.jpg

Inside Bilge/transom comparison -

mine:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/bilge.jpg

His:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/Robert%20Boat/transom-inside.jpg

...and the biggest tip-off to me, the two oval plates on the transom.

mine:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/2plates.jpg

his:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/aborgman/Robert%20Boat/plate.jpg


Mine read:
M 45-12230-P on left
F-12425 on right

His read:

M 6-10141-B on left
F-10701 on right



Now I just need to actually find some information about Cherokee - and so far that isn't proving real easy.

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lp

[Keninmaine]

This boat looks like and MFG i have one that looks like it but your looks older then mine in fact i have 2 1968 MFG's they are twins but one is aluminum the other fiberglass but same color and all.