Quest HPS31 bow, G5 Expert II rest, Hindsight Eclipse, Trophy-Ridge Quiver

[Trophy Specialist]

I just got a new bow setup and wanted to share my experiences. My first impression of the Quest HPS31 bow is that it’s nothing short of phenomenal. The bow measure 31-1/16” axle to axle. The brace height is 7-1/2”. Out of the box I removed the factory installed knock set and tied on a string loop. The factory installed String Suppression System needed to be adjusted and tightened down. I also installed a G5 Expert II rest, Hindsight Eclipse sight and Trophy-Ridge Ridge-Hunter two piece quiver. I prefer a homemade arrow holder (for the drop away rest) and some silencing measures with peel and stick fleece rounded out the package.

I squared up the nock point and then fired off 30 shots to break in the string, cables and loop. During that process I made a small adjustment in the draw stop on the cam to open up the valley a little (personal preference tuning). Most of those shots were “blind bale” to gauge the shock, vibration, noise, balance and draw cycle of the bow. If there is any shock, I couldn’t feel it. This bow is perhaps the smoothest shooting model I’ve ever laid my hands on. The draw cycle is also extremely smooth. Quest came out with a new cable guard they call the I-Glide Cable System. It basically entraps the cables inside the cable guard, which is lined with a ceramic looking material. No shot cycle noise was detected from the system and it should be a huge improvement from the cable slides and roller guard designs seen on other bows. Mine is a 70 pound pull model and I have it cranked to the max and it tested at exactly 70 pounds on both of my scales. The let-off is a little over 80%. It is perfectly balanced (for me) and I don’t need a stabilizer with this model. It is also very quiet and does not need any further silencing measures other than what came form the factory. The Trophy Ridge quiver installed easily and my testing showed no vibration from the two piece unit. In fact it might have actually reduced riser vibration as it does have four built in dampeners. It holds arrows securely and positions them close to the riser with good adjustability to fit about any kind of bow.

After the short break in I paper tuned it, which only took three shots to get it punching clean holes. The Expert II Rest was a pleasure to tune with easy horizontal and vertical adjustments. The rest is also very solid and timing the pull-down-cord was made easy with the cord length adjustment on the rest. Sighting in was also a simple process. The Hindsight Eclipse has simple horizontal and vertical adjustments for both its front and rear sights. It took me about 10 shots to get things lined up perfectly. I shot the bow 30 times yesterday at 15. Today I put another 60 arrows through it at ranges out to 50 yards. This bow is a definite shooter. It’s very fast and as accurate as any bow I’ve ever shot. I’m no William Tell; however I was shooting very impressively with the setup, especially considering that I haven’t shot an arrow since November. At 20 yards, I was shooting 2” groups, dead center, in the bull. I’ll be doing more shooting this week and will check the actual speed and will also test it out from treestands, ground blinds and other fun stuff. I’ll report those finding here at a later date.

At this point the only complaint I had was that the factory installed nock-set was a pain to remove. Everything else is awesome. I’m sure that this bow will be a big hit. If you try it you’ll like it.


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[Non Typical]

And for a lot less money than some of the others out there, I'm so glad you are a happy customer. It makes it easier for me to put one out there and helping Mi.'s economy with a Mi. based company. Great report!
Pat

[Trophy Specialist]

Yes I did forget to mention that Quest Bows are entirely made in Michigan; even the strings and cables are made here. The fit and finish on that bow was flawless and the workmanship was second to none. They are part of G5 Outdoors.

Hindsight is also a Michigan company too. I've been using Hindsights for years and really like them. High quality products there too.

[eboll]

Cool, looks like you got a nice set up there. I have heard of G5 outdoors, they originated about 20 miles from where I live. I have not heard of quest bows though. I will have to try one out

[rattletot]

Very nice!!! i like the looks of it alot and i believe that she is a great shooter.i am also a HindSight supporter and have been for years! check out their new Twilight model i just got one a month ago and i think it is great:)

[rattletot]

What a great cable guard system!! how much $$$ was the bare bow?

[Michihunter]

Great review TS. Other than the string suppressor you mentioned, did you notice any other differences between the "Quest" and the Ross Cardiac that was the original basis for design?

[U of M Fan]

Nice set up!!!! Thanks for the review.

[Trophy Specialist]

Great review TS. Other than the string suppressor you mentioned, did you notice any other differences between the "Quest" and the Ross Cardiac that was the original basis for design?
Actaully, the string supressor is about the only thing they have in common. The cam and idler wheel are vastly different. The riser design is quite different. The limbs are different. The limb pockets are different. The cable guard is different. The cable and string are different. Silencing measures are different. Brace hight is 1/2" longer on the Quest. The Quest is shorter and lighter. Both are good bows, but they are certainly not the same.

For many years Quest used to make components for Ross bows allong with some other bow brands. They just started to offer their own bows in 2008 under the Quest name. I tested out one of their 2008 models and liked it a lot. The 2009 Quest models are much better.

[Michihunter]

Actaully, the string supressor is about the only thing they have in common. The cam and idler wheel are vastly different. The riser design is quite different. The limbs are different. The cable guard is different. The cable and strings are different. Silencing measures are different. Brace hight is 1/2" longer on the Quest. The Quest is shorter and lighter. Both are good bows, but they are certainly not the same.

For many years Quest used to make components for Ross bows allong with some other bow brands. They just started to offer their own bows in 2008 under the Quest name. I tested out one of their 2008 models and liked it a lot. The 2009 Quest models are much better.It's nice that they changed the overall design. It is true that they made parts Ross bows and it is also true that the original Quest was nothing more than a Ross for all intent and purposes having got stuck with the Cardiac risers and cams. But I was quite sure that that would be short lived and G5 would eventually use their own creativeness to further their "Quest" into the archery world. Glad to know it was sooner than later.;)

[Trophy Specialist]

What a great cable guard system!! how much $$$ was the bare bow?
The old fashion (slide) cable guards are problematic. I've had them break on me multiple times and can remember one of those cable guards costing me a huge buck once. Roller guards were an improvment, however they can also be problematic. I once had a cable pop out of a roller, which is not good. They also also can make nose. The new Quest I-Glide system is a huge inovation and much beter than any roller system. There are no moving parts to wear out, it is completely silent and it totally contains the cables so they can't pop out. The ceramic should last forever too.

You should be able to find these bows for $675 or less.

[hoytshooter4]

very cool! Sounds like a solid set up from a MI company at a great price!!

Thanks for the report!

[Non Typical]

G5 makes three models, one is the original Ross bow, that G5 was makeing the next the HPB is the copy of the Elite two cam bow for a lot less money, same cams and the third is their own bow which trophy reported on. It is hard to keep in stock.

[G String]

nice set up

[Trophy Specialist]

I did some speed testing today. My arrows are 6075 Carbon Express Terminator Hunters. I’ve used them for many years and have been extremely pleased with their performance and have not felt any need to get anything else. They are consistent, accurate, and very tough and I have total confidence in them. My draw length is 28” and the arrows are cut so the insert comes about ½ inches from the rest. The G5 Expert II rest braces the arrow about 1” behind the spot where the brace height is measured and I take full advantage of that overdraw feature. My arrows are just under one ounce or 430 grains, which is fairly heavy, but they give me excellent flight characteristic, which is important since I test a lot of different broadheads on a regular basis. They also have excellent kinetic energy and it’s a rare event when I don’t get a complete pass-through on big game.

With the bow set at it’s maximum poundage (70 lbs.) I shot three arrows and got an average speed of 272 fps. The bow is rated at 320 fps (IBO). I also shot a few spaghetti like arrows I have on hand that are close to the IBO standards and got speeds of 310 fps with my 28” draw. So among the Quests other accolades, it’s also the fastest bow I’ve ever owned.

[Michihunter]

I too am a fan of the Term XP's and appreciate the info you provided with those particular arrows. What do you have on that string and what vanes are you using?

[Trophy Specialist]

I too am a fan of the Term XP's and appreciate the info you provided with those particular arrows. What do you have on that string and what vanes are you using?
Vanes are 4" Eastons. The Inserts and nocks are the same style that came with the arrows. Nothing fancy. I've never been much into experimenting with arrows. All my bows are tuned to shoot the same arrows, so if I change something with the arrows, then I have to mess with all my bows, which would be a pain. Having backup bows ready to go is important and I shoot with mine regularly. When my primary bow was out of commision last year, it did not impact me at all and I shot my buck last year with my old backup bow. I won't change arrows until they come up with a major improvment that renders what I'm using obsolete, like when I finally replaced my XX78s with the Carbon Express'.

The only thing that's on the string is the loop and a small peice of plastic that came with the bow located a few inches from the cam (see photo). I'm assuming it's some kind of silencer, but I'm not really sure what it is. Maybe someone on here knows.

[Michihunter]

Vanes are 4" Eastons. The Inserts and nocks are the same style that came with the arrows. Nothing fancy. I've never been much into experimenting with arrows. All my bows are tuned to shoot the same arrows, so if I change something with the arrows, then I have to mess with all my bows, which would be a pain. Having backup bows ready to go is important and I shoot with mine regularly. When my primary bow was out of commision last year, it did not impact me at all and I shot my buck last year with my old backup bow. I won't change arrows until they come up with a major improvment that renders what I'm using obsolete, like when I finally replaced my XX78s with the Carbon Express'.

The only thing that's on the string is the loop and a small peice of plastic that came with the bow located a few inches from the cam (see photo). I'm assuming it's some kind of silencer, but I'm not really sure what it is. Maybe someone on here knows.

Could it possibly be a cushion button to prevent nock pinch in case of shooting off the string such as what Bowtech puts on their strings?

[Trophy Specialist]

Could it possibly be a cushion button to prevent nock pinch in case of shooting off the string such as what Bowtech puts on their strings?
No.

It's hard plastic and is spliced through the middle of the string.

[Michihunter]

No.

It's hard plastic and is spliced through the middle of the string.
Peep placement indicator?

[Trophy Specialist]

Peep placement indicator?

No.

It had a piece of string in place to aid in peep installment. This plastic device is on the lower end of the string between the string stopper and the cam.

[Michihunter]

No.

It had a piece of string in place to aid in peep installment. This plastic device is on the lower end of the string between the string stopper and the cam.
Now you got me curious as all heck. Might have to give G5 a call to find out for sure.

[Termie33]

No.

It's hard plastic and is spliced through the middle of the string.

The website calls them speed balls. They must have decided to use them over knocks on the string.

[Trophy Specialist]

The website calls them speed balls. They must have decided to use them over knocks on the string.
Yes, I looked it up and they are called Speed Balls or Bow String Accelerator Balls. They are designed to cut down on string noise while increasing arrow speeds. I found a couple different brands of them made by different manufactures. Some claim up to 13 fps of increased arrow speed. I will have to do some testing.

[Swamp Monster]

Yes, I looked it up and they are called Speed Balls or Bow String Accelerator Balls. They are designed to cut down on string noise while increasing arrow speeds. I found a couple different brands of them made by different manufactures. Some claim up to 13 fps of increased arrow speed. I will have to do some testing.

When testing, measure the location on the string so palcement is i nteh same place, then experiment with location as well. This can make a difference in speed. Sometimes these things work as advertised, other times not so much.

[Atchison]

One question I have is on the G5 Expert II, how is it out of a tree stand? Its not fully contained but I like the rest, so having issues on what I should go with...

[Trophy Specialist]

One question I have is on the G5 Expert II, how is it out of a tree stand? Its not fully contained but I like the rest, so having issues on what I should go with...
I build my own homemade containment system that will work for any drop away rests. Mine is absolutly silent, durable and foolproof. The Expert II picks up the arrow at the back end of the draw cycle, so 80% of the arrow pull is slid across my contraption. During the first part of the draw cycle, there is a lot more friction caused by the arrow sliding along caused by the lever action of the weight of the front of the arrow. By the time the rest picks it up, the lever dynamics of the arrow's slide is reduced a lot and the friction on the rest is low and so is the noise factor. This makes the device that the arrow slides on critical for a setup to be quiet during the draw. The rubber material on the Expert II is very silent, but I still wrapped it with stick on fleece to make it even quieter and to lessen the springing action of the rubber that could cause the arrow to bouce off if the draw is not smooth twards the breakover point of the draw cycle. That's the long answer.

Here's the short answer: I tried it out of a treestand (backyard range) a few times and it worked great for me.

[3fingervic]

Great bow! I'm a little jealous.:smile-mad

[Trophy Specialist]

I had a couple questions sent to me about my homemade arrow containment system that I mentioned above, so I am posting a photo of it along with more info.

I use a piece of heavy gauge wire bent into shape to contain the arrow. The wire is wrapped with peel and stick felt to silence it. It’s attached to the riser with a small screw. The other end is pinched onto the broadhead shelf. The peel and stick felt also helps to hold it in place tight. I also pad the riser with peel and stick felt anywhere the arrow could possibly contact it. I can lay the bow horizontally on my lap and when I pick it up for a shot, the arrow will always fall down into proper place. You can shake this setup and the arrow will not fall out unless you tip it hard to port or upside down. It is also absolutely silent during the draw cycle.

http://www.trophyspecialist.com/photos/IMG_4371.JPG

[rudy78]

One question I have is on the G5 Expert II, how is it out of a tree stand? Its not fully contained but I like the rest, so having issues on what I should go with...

What issues would u have??
The people who make full containment rests have done a great job of marketing that aspect. Think about it though what good are they really unless you shoot upside down or something, at least at full draw. I suppose they are nice when your sitting there or begin to draw, but there are other options to help with that.
With all rests like Expert as you draw them back the arrow is going to pull straight back and as it comes up the arrow will be on the rest as the rest comes up. All you need is something to hold the arrow as it is going back. I know the expert has 2 different style holders. You can also go with something like TS.

[rudy78]

Also i can't wait to get my new Quest this year, i shot it last year and really liked it and was really excited when i talked to the G5 guys about the changes they made to it. Glad to hear someone who has one really likes it, now i can't wait to get my new one all the more!!!

[Atchison]

Thanks for the Pics! Really helps me with how I want to setup my next bow.

Rudy - Just trying to get as many details as possible before I get a new bow is all, no real issue, just wanted to make sure I understood! Thanks!

[Trophy Specialist]

Since I can’t fish, I did a bunch of testing today with my bow. I removed the speed ball and tested the speed of the bow and found out that the speed ball does have a noticeable impact on arrow speed. I measured an average of 268 fps without the speed ball compared to 272 fps with it installed. I couldn’t detect any differences in shot noise or vibration with or without the speed ball though.

While I had the speed ball off the string, I decided to test it with some string silencers. I installed a pair of Bow Jax Slipzax silencers. I shot three shot groups with the silencers in various string positions and measured the speed, which dropped from 5-9 fps with slower speeds being recorded the further away from the wheel/cam the silencers were located. I was surprised that I could not detect any improvement in overall shot noise with the string silencers installed. There did seem to be a bit of a reduction in shot vibration though, but since the HPS31 had such a miniscule amount of vibration to begin with (less than my Mathew’s bows and comparable to the Bowtech I had last year) I decided to remove the silencers and re-installed the speed ball (had to tie it back in with serving).

The bow balanced exceptionally well for me, but I decided to try a few stabilizers I had in my “box” anyway. The two longer ones reduced shot vibration a little, but they also threw off the bow’s balance and sent my shots a little low. I then installed a Sims Mini S-Coil and it too reduced shot vibration a little, but is very light and short and it did not negatively impact, the bow’s balance. I’m going to keep in on the bow.

The only other thing the bow will need is a grip wrap of peel and stick fleece. The two piece wood grip is very thin and has a great feel. It positions the hand up close to the arrow shelf for optimal forgiveness. It does expose some metal to the hand though which is a big no-no for cold weather bowhunts. I’ll wait until late summer to install it though as they do tend to wear out and I want it fresh for the fall hunting season. Late summer is also when I start shooting with my gloves on too.

[Trophy Specialist]

I also retuned the bow today. I’ve had other people shooting it and have had the draw weight adjusted down and then back up a couple times. I’ve also run about 500 arrows though it by now. The critical measurements checked out, but it did require some minor rest adjustments to get it shooting perfectly straight arrows again. I’ll shoot it for another month and then retest it though paper again. Typically though, after the initial 500 arrows, most bows will hold their tune pretty well. I’ve got an older Mathew’s bow (my backup bow) that has held perfect tune for six years.

[rudy78]

Thanks for the Pics! Really helps me with how I want to setup my next bow.

Rudy - Just trying to get as many details as possible before I get a new bow is all, no real issue, just wanted to make sure I understood! Thanks!

Sorry if it seemed negative, i just think 2 many people have fallen into I need a full containment and don't really think about why or how they really aren't needed.
There are some great options out there> I will try 2 take a picture of the arrow holder that comes with the rest as well. The arrow slides in it till the rest picks it up out of it.

[Atchison]

Sorry if it seemed negative, i just think 2 many people have fallen into I need a full containment and don't really think about why or how they really aren't needed.
There are some great options out there> I will try 2 take a picture of the arrow holder that comes with the rest as well. The arrow slides in it till the rest picks it up out of it.

I appreciate the feedback, just trying to learn about all the new technology as I haven't gotten a new bow/accessories in a decade...

[Macker13]

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Hindsight is also a Michigan company too. I've been using Hindsights for years and really like them. High quality products there too.

I am changing some gear on my bow this year and have been considering a Hindsight. I cannot stand peeps, and have been shooting a holographic sight for the last few years, but found some weather issues with it. What do you prefer for a main sight with the Hindsight and can you (or anybody) give me some feedback on using the Hindsight? How much does it cover the target (deer), low light use or any other experiences that I might find usefull. Thanks.

[Trophy Specialist]

I am changing some gear on my bow this year and have been considering a Hindsight. I cannot stand peeps, and have been shooting a holographic sight for the last few years, but found some weather issues with it. What do you prefer for a main sight with the Hindsight and can you (or anybody) give me some feedback on using the Hindsight? How much does it cover the target (deer), low light use or any other experiences that I might find usefull. Thanks.
I use a complete Hind Sight system (Eclipse) which includes a rear sight along with a fiber optic front sight. I highly recomend this system, but the Hind Sight will work with any front sight that I know of. The rear sight matches the front sight on the Eclipse perfectly, so you loose no field of view with it. If you choose to match the Hind Sight to another brand of front sight, that may not be the case. My Eclipse works awsome in low light conditions. I have a tritium pin (optional) as my top pin and the rest are the supplied fiber optic ones (four total). The fiber optics are wrapped around the pin guard and they do gather light well, but in a ground blind at dusk, the tritium pin will outshine the fiber optic ones big time.

Setting up the Hindsight is extreemly easy, especially if you are replacing a sight using a peep sight. It usually only takes me 4 or 5 shots to zero the thing in.

I'm currently working on a story on assignment about peep sight alternatives for a national bowhunting magazine. It's odd how most of the companies that make sight products that eliminate the need for a peep sight are fron Michigan. Probably has something to do with the fact that our deer are so preasured that a lot of our deer encounters happen in low light.

[Trophy Specialist]

Here's an interesting video on the Hindsight Eclipse. It explains how it works very well. I interviewed Tom Miranda for the article I'm working on. He is a sponsor of Hindsight now, however he started using it before he became a sponsor and told me he would use it even if they didn't pay him for the endorsment. He's an interesting guy. He used to trap in the same area I bird hunt in the the U.P.

http://www.bowtube.com/media/232/Tom_Miranda_Talks_HindSight/

[Swamp Monster]

Thats an excellent video about proper use of that sight! I hate peeps and use a Pollington red dot, but if I were to go back to pin sights, the hindsight would be part of that transition....no peeps for me ever again if I can help it. I don't think a lot of people understood how to use the hindsight correctly in the beginning, but that video should help.

[Macker13]

Thanks TS! Very informative video, I never would have guessed that is the way it works. So are you stuck with three pins, or can you go to a two or one pin system with the eclipse? Is it possible to rotate the rear sight (X) to a crossshair look and remove the top post? This would give it a German crosshair (I think) and remove some stuff from the sight picture. Look forward to your response, I am definetly replacing the holographic sight on my bow and there is some value to not putting another battery operated sight back on it. Thanks again.

[Trophy Specialist]

Thanks TS! Very informative video, I never would have guessed that is the way it works. So are you stuck with three pins, or can you go to a two or one pin system with the eclipse? Is it possible to rotate the rear sight (X) to a crossshair look and remove the top post? This would give it a German crosshair (I think) and remove some stuff from the sight picture. Look forward to your response, I am definetly replacing the holographic sight on my bow and there is some value to not putting another battery operated sight back on it. Thanks again.


You can remove sight pins, but you'd have to clip off the fiber optics (I think), so it would be perminant.

Tom Miranda clips off the top two crosshairs on his Eclipse as he likes it that way better. Incidentally, he used to use a holographic sight before he went with a Hindsight. He had problems with the Holographic sight and also didn't like it due to the facts that they are not legal everywhere he hunted and P&Y does not recognize record animals taken with one.

[Macker13]

You can remove sight pins, but you'd have to clip off the fiber optics (I think), so it would be perminant.

Tom Miranda clips off the top two crosshairs on his Eclipse as he likes it that way better. Incidentally, he used to use a holographic sight before he went with a Hindsight. He had problems with the Holographic sight and also didn't like it due to the facts that they are not legal everywhere he hunted and P&Y does not recognize record animals taken with one.

Got it, I would have to try it out before I pulled pin's or clipped off the fiber optic's. I had been made aware of the electronic devices being illegal in some states, so that has been in the back of my mind as well. I shot one pin before going to the holo, so I am used to a pretty clutter free view. I bow hunted in the mid 70's and then got out of it until about 5 years ago. Needless to say I am still finding my way around the various sights trying to find what suits me best. It won't be a peep and pin that much I am sure of. This is good news that others cut off a crosshair (or 2), this might make the hindsight my first choice. Thanks for your help!

[Trophy Specialist]

I just got back from four days on the water at Monroe. As it turns out I was wrong about removing the pins on the Eclipse. You can remove them without clipping the fiber optics. You have to remove some screws and then you can cleanly pull out the pins you don't want with the fiber optics attached. You can stack the pins very close together with that sight, which is good for flat shooting bows. Mine also came with a light (with batteries) that screws into where the end of the fiber optics come together after coiling around the pin guard. It's pretty snazzy as the light is transmitted down the fiber optics and is only visible at the business end of the sight pins facing twards the archer. I tested it and liked it, but I opted for a tritium top pin anyway because I didn't want to have to mess with turning it on at the moment of truth. I used to use battery powered sight pins back in the olden days and found them problematic with the batteries typically dieing right when I'm somewhere where I can't find replacements.

[Macker13]

I just got back from four days on the water at Monroe. As it turns out I was wrong about removing the pins on the Eclipse. You can remove them without clipping the fiber optics. You have to remove some screws and then you can cleanly pull out the pins you don't want with the fiber optics attached. You can stack the pins very close together with that sight, which is good for flat shooting bows. Mine also came with a light (with batteries) that screws into where the end of the fiber optics come together after coiling around the pin guard. It's pretty snazzy as the light is transmitted down the fiber optics and is only visible at the business end of the sight pins facing twards the archer. I tested it and liked it, but I opted for a tritium top pin anyway because I didn't want to have to mess with turning it on at the moment of truth. I used to use battery powered sight pins back in the olden days and found them problematic with the batteries typically dieing right when I'm somewhere where I can't find replacements.

Thats some good news, I am thinking I would opt for the tritium pin also, one less thing to deal with (light). Any more info/experiences will be welcome. Thanks, Al

[Trophy Specialist]

I ran into a situation today with the G5 Expert II rest. I shot the bow today with gloves on and noticed that the rest was contacting the top of my hand when the launcher was in the down position. The Quest HPS31 does position the hand very high up close to the broadhead shelf and I do have rather beefy hands. The rest does have a good vertical adjustment and since I had it set in the middle, I adjusted the rest up about ¼”. I also moved my string loop up the same amount. I took a practice shot and the arrow flew way off the mark and damn near missed the target at 15 yards. I had forgotten to take into consideration that the pull down cord should have also been adjusted and it must have thrown things way off. Instead of messing with the cord, I just applied two layers of peel and stick rubber padding where the launcher arm contacts the rest base. That prevented the launcher from dropping down as low as it had before. I then re-adjusted the vertical of the rest back to where it was and also put the string loop back where it was (I marked where the loop had been). That solved the gloved hand clearance problem and probably made the rest quieter as well. There’s still plenty of fletching clearance. I paper tuned the bow again and had to make some minor adjustments to get it shooting straight again.

The moral of the story is - if you are having hand clearance issues with your Expert II rest, just pad the contact point to elevate the launcher arm. It’s much easier than re-adjusting the rest, pull-down cord and string loop. Also, be careful when tuning any drop away rest. If you change the vertical adjment on the rest, you may also have to adjust the pull down cord length. It's probably going to be easier to just adjust the vertical by moving teh string loop up or down.

[rudy78]

I ran into a situation today with the G5 Expert II rest. I shot the bow today with gloves on and noticed that the rest was contacting the top of my hand when the launcher was in the down position. The Quest HPS31 does position the hand very high up close to the broadhead shelf and I do have rather beefy hands. The rest does have a good vertical adjustment and since I had it set in the middle, I adjusted the rest up about ¼”. I also moved my string loop up the same amount. I took a practice shot and the arrow flew way off the mark and damn near missed the target at 15 yards. I had forgotten to take into consideration that the pull down cord should have also been adjusted and it must have thrown things way off. Instead of messing with the cord, I just applied two layers of peel and stick rubber padding where the launcher arm contacts the rest base. That prevented the launcher from dropping down as low as it had before. I then re-adjusted the vertical of the rest back to where it was and also put the string loop back where it was (I marked where the loop had been). That solved the gloved hand clearance problem and probably made the rest quieter as well. There’s still plenty of fletching clearance. I paper tuned the bow again and had to make some minor adjustments to get it shooting straight again.

The moral of the story is - if you are having hand clearance issues with your Expert II rest, just pad the contact point to elevate the launcher arm. It’s much easier than re-adjusting the rest, pull-down cord and string loop. Also, be careful when tuning any drop away rest. If you change the vertical adjment on the rest, you may also have to adjust the pull down cord length. It's probably going to be easier to just adjust the vertical by moving teh string loop up or down.

I think the moral of the story is.......don't have beefy hands get them on a diet, LOL>
Thanks for the info. I can't wait to get my bow and start shooting it.

[Trophy Specialist]

I think the moral of the story is.......don't have beefy hands get them on a diet, LOL>
Thanks for the info. I can't wait to get my bow and start shooting it.
When I was arm wrestling professionally (in the olden days) I used to purposely bulk up certain muscles in my hand just so my opponents could not get a good grip on my hand. I don’t know how to “un-beef” my hands though.:lol:

[Trophy Specialist]

I just thought that I'd update this thread. I've probably shot about 1,000 arrows though the setup by now and have not had any problems with the bow. String/cable wear is not bad and the bow is still a "tack driver".

[Michihunter]

Appreciate the update TS.;)

[Trophy Specialist]

Another thing I’d like to point out is that I am probably shooting better now than I have ever before in my life. I have a bad shoulder and arthritis and despite that my shooting has noticeably improved this year. Since I know it would be impossible for me to improve my skills, I have to attribute my increased accuracy to my bow. The Quest HPS31 is simply a very accurate bow. The back wall is very solid and it just seems to lock in for a consistent release. The grip is the best I’ve ever shot. I’ve never had any torquing issues with the grip. It just seems to fit my hand perfectly. I also don’t need a wrist sling with the bow. There is about zero hand shock on the shot and it is so perfectly balanced that even with a loose grip, the bow just does not move after the shot. The string suppression system combined with the rather long brace height also eliminates any string contact problems with my shooting arm. I have chubby forearms (15” diameter) and have had issues in the past with “string slap”. This bow has eliminated that problem. I still have not found anything about the bow that I don’t like. And for of you that don’t know me, I’m one of the pickiest guys you’ll ever meet and have never been shy about complaining about things. I may have found my perfect bow.

[Atchison]

Thanks for the update, I'm looking to get an XPB hopefully have the same experience!

[Trophy Specialist]

Thanks for the update, I'm looking to get an XPB hopefully have the same experience!
I tested the XPB and it is also a very good looking bow. It has binary cams though. The bow I had last year had binary cams and there is one issue with them that you might be interested in. The downward bus cable has a lot of travel; therefore, if you use a drop away rest with a pull down cord, you may experience problems. All that downward travel will really pop the rest up at the very end of the draw cycle right at the let off point. With some drop away rests, it will bounce the arrow right off the launcher if your draw is not really smooth at the end of the cycle. Also, if the pull down cord pulls the rest up even slightly too soon, then cam timing is thrown off resulting in erratic flight. My last bow had binary cams and I had fits with this problem last year with a couple rests I was testing. I had to use a NAP Scissor rest to alleviate the problem. That is one reason I prefer a one cam bow as the downward bus cable travel is much less and pull down cord tension is not as much of an issue either. It pulls the launcher up very smoothly every time.

[Trophy Specialist]

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Here’s a wrap-up to my 2009 Michigan archery deer season with my Quest HPS 31 bow, which performed flawlessly. I was able to kill two bucks during a recent trip to the U.P. Both deer were ages at 3.5 years old. I got this buck on 10/3/09. It had been raining on and off all morning so I choose a stand I call "The Hole" which is a pit blind that is enclosed with a roof. It’s situated between three food plots along a river bottom. I had hunted that stand the day before, which was also rainy, and had not seen a deer. I had only been on stand for about 30 minutes when the buck came through. The windows were covered with shoot through mesh and it’s the first deer I’ve shot at through mesh. I shot the buck quartering slightly towards me at about 15 yards. The arrow hit right where aimed which was toward the back of the shoulder. It exited about 6” behind the opposite shoulder for a total pass through. The deer fell down after being hit, got up and trotted off about 60 yards before falling dead just out of sight. It left one of the best blood trails I’ve ever seen. I recovered the deer by 3:00 p.m. It weighed 210 in the round and 164 dressed. It’s a seven pointer with a 15” inside spread. It was also the fourth seven-pointer I’ve taken in a row.

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This buck came in eight minutes after I climbed into my treestand on 10/11/09 which was at 2:23 p.m. I was hunting a stand I call “The Den Stand” which is about 30’ up in a big cedar tree overlooking a small food plot. The shot was slightly quartering away at a little over 15 yards. The arrow hit right where aimed which was high in the chest just behind the shoulder. It exited through the opposite leg for a pass through. The deer bolted just out of sight and I heard it go down about 60 yards from where I nailed him. This buck weighed 228 live and 178 dressed. He has a 14” inside spread and is the fifth seven-point I’ve taken in a row. He also marked the 10th buck taken from that stand (I’ve killed eight from it).

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Here’s a photo of both deer right before I processed them. We got a snow storm on 10/13 that put about 3-4” of the white stuff on the ground. It was a great trip with lots of deer and grouse in the bag. The only complaint I have about the bow is that it contributed to my current lack of a MI buck tag.:lol:

[Atchison]

Congrats on the deer! Glad you like your Quest.

I got my XPB and love the thing! Thanks for all the info you gave me over the last few months! It really helped in my decisions!

[Macker13]

Congrats TS! Good story full of details, I like that. After talking with you I went ahead and got the Hindsight Eclipse, love it! Will be up in the yoop at deer camp the first week of November, hope to have some success like yours. What part of the U.P. do you hunt? Be as non specific as you like, or p.m. me. ;)

[Trophy Specialist]

Congrats TS! Good story full of details, I like that. After talking with you I went ahead and got the Hindsight Eclipse, love it! Will be up in the yoop at deer camp the first week of November, hope to have some success like yours. What part of the U.P. do you hunt? Be as non specific as you like, or p.m. me. ;)

I hunt the big woods of the central U.P. in Delta and Marquette Counties. I'll be heading back up there next week for another hunting trip, only this one will be strictly bird hunting. I'll also be doing lots of chores too like liming my food plots, putting up a new stand, improving old stands and cutting a few years worth of firewood for my camp.