i have a question for you guys

[podunk]

i have a old darton. i can site it in while i am standing up then turn around and kneel, sit and the bow will shoot exactly where i sited in at. so i figure it was time to get new bow. i was told that it was made in the 70s. so i figure i would buy a new one that shot a lot faster. well i couldn't find a dealer for darton, and i heard that PSE was a good bow. so i went and bought a PSE strike king i think it is called. i was in my treestand and i took a broad side shot at a doe at 20 yards and it totaly missed her. i knew it couldnt be me. and while i was looking for any sign of hit i saw this buck walk out. it was only a spike he was like about 40-45 yards away and i have practice that shot many times. and i was kneeling down and i shot at the buck and the arrow went right over his back. so i knew for a fact that it wasn't me. for i think i can hit i always do. so i went home and the next day shot the bow. it was on when i was standing but when i went to kneel to shoot it shot high i believe. so my question is this is this typical for a PSE or did i get a crappy bow. Or should i say the heck with PSE cause they are piece of junk and i should search for a darton dealership. any help and info would be greatly apprecaited. thanks in advance. oh i hope i didnt raffle any feathes here with this question.

[madmike22]

Pse makes a good bow. What you like and what i like are going to be two different things.
Practice practice practice. Thats what it takes. You can just practice a couple of times and think are you are good for the woods. Chances are it was you and not the bow unless something was loose on your site.

[podunk]

no i practice daily and all kinds of weather. no it is the bow. for i can take my brothers bow and shoot it standing, kneeling, and sitting it dont matter and i can shoot it and it hits where i put the pin. i go the extra mile and make sure that my pins are tight. i take a pair of pliers and tighten them down. i have a good shooting form, i make it a point that nothing i have control over goes wrong. i check and recheck everything on me and the site. so i know its the bow. but it looks like i am going have to say that PSE are no good and try and find a Darton. For i would hate to have the same problem and there was a big buck standing there and i miss it cause of the bow not being any good.

[FMann]

I personaly don't like PSE but I have to agree with madmike22, it was more likely you and not the bow. You say you practice alot, but do you also practice while kneeling, sitting, twisted to oneside or the other? I think the lack of practice is more the problem then the bow. Just my $0.02 worth.

And by the way in my opinion PSE stands for Pretty $#!ty Equepment!

[podunk]

no i practice in every position that i can think of. i even go a step foward and put stuff in front of the target and shoot through it. like i would only leave a inch opening, and try to squeze an arrow though it. i practice like i hunt. so it is not me it is the bow. i was thinking it might be just the make of the bow. was debating about getting the dream season or the x force. but with the luck i am having with this bow i am not sure. but then again my darton i don't have the stupid loop on the string. so i hook my release to the cable and shoot it. maybe that the problem. so i guess that has a factor in it not shooting like it should when kneeling. i would have to find a bow that has a length of 31 inch so i can hook my release onto it. do you think that it is the stupid loop that is throwing off my arrow.

[3fingervic]

I have missed my fair share and it was always me.:D The bow you are shooting now is a lot faster, and not as forgiving. Most newer bows will be more difficult to shoot than your old Darton. I had an old pearson bow back in the day. I was quite the marksman with that old boy. But i out grew it and it was reeeaaally slow. I think that todays bows are more difficult to shoot, but with practice that PSE will start to feel as comfortable as an old baseball glove.

[fulldraw]

I have never had a loop on any of my bows, but if that is the only difference is the loop that is what it may be. Also make sure you are gripping your bow the same kneeling that you are standing and your anchor point is right. Just a difference in grip will throw your arrow off target. I don't believe it is your bow especially if you are shooting darts every other position.

Good Luck With Your Dilemma.

[podunk]

when i am standing the bow shoots where i aim it. but if i am kneeling or sitting it shoots high. i have the same grip, and i put the kisser in the same spot as i do standing. i have been looking online and i found a darton dealership. i called and talked to them and the darton bow that is my length that i dont need a loop is going to call me at 779. it is a darton 2500 i believe it is. so i will take it out and try it. it shoots a lot faster than my PSE. my old darton shoots a carbon arrow at 218fps and alum it shoots it at 188 fps. my PSE shoots only at 258fps but this darton i am thinking about getting shoots at 330 i believe. well i am hoping that i can pull back atleast 70 pounds. my PSE now is only 63 pounds. so i figure that after shooting it for a while i will work up to the 70 pounds. has anybody heard anything about this bow, or the new dartons.

[cj.]

It's all between your ears. The bow DOES NOT KNOW that you are standing , kneeling, or sitting on your head. I believe you 100 percent that it's happening, but you're not seeing something???? If you could put that bow in some sort of vice, so it was being held the SAME WAY every time, it would hit pretty darn close to the same spot every time. Whether you sit, stand, or lay down beside it.

Those new dartons are pretty good... don't be surpised if you're not getting 330 fps out it, that's just the IBO speed. With a hunting arrow and your LONG draw, I bet you'll see 300+ still.

Good luck!

[Michihunter]

no i practice in every position that i can think of. i even go a step foward and put stuff in front of the target and shoot through it. like i would only leave a inch opening, and try to squeze an arrow though it. i practice like i hunt. so it is not me it is the bow. i was thinking it might be just the make of the bow. was debating about getting the dream season or the x force. but with the luck i am having with this bow i am not sure. but then again my darton i don't have the stupid loop on the string. so i hook my release to the cable and shoot it. maybe that the problem. so i guess that has a factor in it not shooting like it should when kneeling. i would have to find a bow that has a length of 31 inch so i can hook my release onto it. do you think that it is the stupid loop that is throwing off my arrow.If you practice like you hunt, you'd know where that arrow was gonna end up in either scenario. The fact that it didn't means one of two things, either you didn't practice the shot like you say you did or you did something wrong when taking the shot. If it makes you feel better to blame the bow then by all means, it was the bows fault.:lol:

[podunk]

well i know with my darton i can pick it up and shoot it in any positions. i don't get back fever, not until i shoot the animal. well i know it isnt me so the only reasonable thing i can come up with is that it is that stupid loop. so i have to get rid of that bow and loop. cause i can not use it for if i take off the loop the draw is to short. i even told the place i got it that i am 31 inch long but he never believe me. for he took a ruler and measure and said that i am only a 29 draw. i figure with these new bows he should know more than me. but guess what he was wrong and i was right. the way i hunt is simple i dont care what the distance is if i know i can hit it i shoot it. and i get it. like when my muzzloader would go off at a deer. but i knew i could hit it with my 12 gauge. so i shot it with copper plated 000 buck, and i dropp it in its tracks and it was only 80 yards out. so i think i can hit it i do and i get it. i dont shoot and miss at anything well not at deer that is. so if i miss it cause i put the wrong pin or the bow is messed up. so i check the bow to see if it is messed up, and it was.

[Michihunter]

WOW!! 80 yard shots with triple aught!! But I think a true gun hunter would try #8's for more of a challenge.

[archerjustin]

well i know with my darton i can pick it up and shoot it in any positions. i don't get back fever, not until i shoot the animal. well i know it isnt me so the only reasonable thing i can come up with is that it is that stupid loop. so i have to get rid of that bow and loop. cause i can not use it for if i take off the loop the draw is to short. i even told the place i got it that i am 31 inch long but he never believe me. for he took a ruler and measure and said that i am only a 29 draw. i figure with these new bows he should know more than me. but guess what he was wrong and i was right. the way i hunt is simple i dont care what the distance is if i know i can hit it i shoot it. and i get it. like when my muzzloader would go off at a deer. but i knew i could hit it with my 12 gauge. so i shot it with copper plated 000 buck, and i dropp it in its tracks and it was only 80 yards out. so i think i can hit it i do and i get it. i dont shoot and miss at anything well not at deer that is. so if i miss it cause i put the wrong pin or the bow is messed up. so i check the bow to see if it is messed up, and it was.

SWEET!!:confused:

[fulldraw]

Well if you are so certain that it is your bow and you must get rid of it, I will be more than grateful to take off of your hands.:D

[GVDocHoliday]

Well...it was you. Apparently you're only good at the target range and can't make it happen when it matters.

It's not the loop...as the loop would actually make your arrow fly better. You get a short ATA bow like the 2500 and use your release on the string and you're going to get a dry fire when your arrow pops off the string from the severe angle.

Sooo....You're having a breakdown in your form when you go from the standing position to the sitting position. Remember, when you sit you break down your foundation you have when you're standing...make sure your shoulders are square and if the target is higher than you, you need to lean back and bend at the waste so everything remains square.

Don't worry...with a little more practice you may not blow it next time. Bows don't miss...people do.

[huntingfool43]

podunk


Just buy a new crossbow, problem solved. :lol:

[podunk]

i will not lower myself to that level. I maybe a disabled Marine veteran but i can still pull back my bow, so i will NEVER lower myself to the level of using a cross bow. unless i can not pull it back then i will go down that road and settle for a cross bow. but right now i am ANTI cross bow. unless you can not pull back a reg bow. but for those that use them cause they passed that stupid law i feel sorry for them and i do not have respect for those that use them. unless they can not pull back the reg bow.

[dougdad]

Ditto !!!!!!!

[hunting fool]

check your limbs make sure there is not a crack

[RDS-1025]

i will not lower myself to that level. I maybe a disabled Marine veteran but i can still pull back my bow, so i will NEVER lower myself to the level of using a cross bow. unless i can not pull it back then i will go down that road and settle for a cross bow. but right now i am ANTI cross bow. unless you can not pull back a reg bow. but for those that use them cause they passed that stupid law i feel sorry for them and i do not have respect for those that use them. unless they can not pull back the reg bow.

So you think that shooting at a deer at 80 yards with 000 buck shot is above someone that uses a crossbow? Somehow I don't think your respect is something that matters to many people.

[bowhunter_kaz]

Did you go to an archery shop? Might be wrong draw for you?

[Michihunter]

Did you go to an archery shop? Might be wrong draw for you?I believe he said an archery shop measured him at 29" but he says he knows he's 31".;)

[Joe Archer]

As GVDOCHOLIDAY alludes to, it may be your form and your new bow is not a forgiving as your old bow. What no one mentions is that it may not be either the fault of the new bow or your own. It could just be your setup. Did you paper tune? Are your new arrows matched with your broadhead? Is your bow just to fast to shoot fixed blades? There are so many variables involved with today's lightning fast bows that it is very likely something just needs to be tweaked a bit.
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[3fingervic]

Very diplomatic, sir. I have an idea what podunk's reply will be, but i'll just let it happen. Very constructive advise though.

[Tom (mich)]

Based upon the solid information you've provided, one can only conclude it's the crappy bow you're using. PSE actually stands for Poor Sitting Equipment, and everyone knows these bows cannot be shot accurately in a sitting position. Before I take it back though, I would check the timing on the Fetzer valve, as it could be creating torque on the ball bearings. It's all about ball bearings these days....:confused:

[thekoch]

When you shot at the deer did you have a facemask on? Cuz I missed a buck and then hit another one way to far back and couldnt understand why. well i tried to recreate the situation and shot a few without my mask and I was dead on. Then I put on my mask and i was 15 inches to the left( exactly where I hit the second deer) I shot a couple more times and had a inch shot group. then took off my mask and I was dead nutz again. The mask changed my anchor point and I didnt know it. just a thought. I might not be you or your bow it could be some of your other equipment. Also did you know the exact distance that the deer where at? That could be the problem also.

[UhOh]

When you shot at the deer did you have a facemask on? Cuz I missed a buck and then hit another one way to far back and couldnt understand why. well i tried to recreate the situation and shot a few without my mask and I was dead on. Then I put on my mask and i was 15 inches to the left( exactly where I hit the second deer) I shot a couple more times and had a inch shot group. then took off my mask and I was dead nutz again. The mask changed my anchor point and I didnt know it. just a thought. I might not be you or your bow it could be some of your other equipment. Also did you know the exact distance that the deer where at? That could be the problem also.

when i get home i'm doing that same test. maybe we have the same mask.

[shotgun658]

I was never to happy shooting with a kisser button. And I think your shooting form is that much more important. Try to keep a open mind, these people are giving you some good advice.

[thekoch]

when i get home i'm doing that same test. maybe we have the same mask.

I never thought it matters. but somehow it was changing my anchor point to a great extent. Glad i could help.

[Fred Bear]

Whoa! PSE makes a great bow. It is you. It's not the loop or the bow. A loop, just like everything else in archery, is a choice. But loops do tend to shoot better. There are so many things that could be wrong. Shooting at foam and shooting at a live animal are 2 very different things.
There is allot more to shooting and arrow than just pulling as much weight as you can and letting her go. You owe it to the animal to figure out what is going on before you head back to the woods. We are all here to help.
My first thought was you mis judged the yardage or you moved your bow arm as you shot. Both of these things are common. What a guy taught me was to touch your shoulder with your release hand after the shot. Your mind will be busy thinking about that and not about moving the bow. Try it.

[archerjustin]

Based upon the solid information you've provided, one can only conclude it's the crappy bow you're using. PSE actually stands for Poor Sitting Equipment, and everyone knows these bows cannot be shot accurately in a sitting position. Before I take it back though, I would check the timing on the Fetzer valve, as it could be creating torque on the ball bearings. It's all about ball bearings these days....:confused:

:lol::lol::lol:

[TommyBloodTrail]

Well...it was you. Apparently you're only good at the target range and can't make it happen when it matters.

It's not the loop...as the loop would actually make your arrow fly better. You get a short ATA bow like the 2500 and use your release on the string and you're going to get a dry fire when your arrow pops off the string from the severe angle.

Sooo....You're having a breakdown in your form when you go from the standing position to the sitting position. Remember, when you sit you break down your foundation you have when you're standing...make sure your shoulders are square and if the target is higher than you, you need to lean back and bend at the waste so everything remains square.

Don't worry...with a little more practice you may not blow it next time. Bows don't miss...people do.

You said it...Don't worry...with a little more practice you may not blow it next time. Bows don't miss...people do...Been there....Done that....

[podunk]

i can look at an object and can tell you what it is plus or minus a yard. but i put out yardage markers out. and the doe stoped at the twenty yard mark. my arrows are matched to my draw and wieght. i can shoot my pse and then my darton in the same positions, and same yardagae and my pse shoots differently than my darton. maybe its is the loop or maybe just maybe it is cause i am cheating on my darton with another maker. maybe the archery Gods are mad at me for cheating on her. she has been good to me and for me. so maybe thats it. so i am thinking about selling it so i can use the money to put down your pay for my new darton. so if your interested in buying it. send me a pm and see if we can work something out. i just wonder if i made the archery Gods mad at me for cheating on my darton girlfriend with another woman, a PSE woman that is. :yikes::lol:

[Fred Bear]

I bet the PSE is not tuned correctly. What release are you using with your loop? What style of rest?

[podunk]

i even had it paper tuned and it shot bullets. well the shop i took it to said it was tuned in. i shoot a wins free flight release. i used that one on my darton exept for this one has a hook on it and not a caliper like the one i use for my darton.

[Joe Archer]

.... i just wonder if i made the archery Gods mad at me for cheating on my darton girlfriend with another woman, a PSE woman that is. :yikes::lol:

Just wipe her off off, take her to bed with the Darton, pull up the covers, and cross your fingers! :D
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