Why I use and like my vex

[JayJayMo]

Herd a lot of opinions about diffrent sonars and such here is my view on Vexilar.
1. On and working with two actions plug in batter terminal flip on and she is functional just how I left it.
2. 4 yrs and it still works like the day I bought it. Tough sucker too I fish a lot.
3. No Frills/buttons just sonar action with minimal tinkering or wonering where in the heck your jig is.
4. Great service department.
5. Guess the biggest one of all is I am just used to that darn hum. Keeps me sane when I am all alone on the ice.......I here it in my sleep often.

[tommy-n]

I agree, something to be said for simplicity. I like dials and not key pads for cold weather use, they seem to be much more durable in the cold. I have 2 vexilars that are 13 years old and still work good, I would hate to even guess how many hours are on them. Small screens and dumb arms to hold the transducer don't get it, I want something thats easy to run and gun with and not need adjusting all the time that easily seen a just a glance.

[sea nympho]

And that's just about all that can be said for spinning wheels.

Simpler user interface is its ONLY advantage.

I'll stick w/ pushing buttons & seeing the whole picture. ;)

[tommy-n]

Another force feeder that can't read the title:dizzy: look in my pail at the end of the day and you'll wonder what your doing wrong:gaga:

[sea nympho]

If that pail of your's is full of dinky panfish... I'M NOT IMPRESSED! :evilsmile

FYI I read the title & I didn't see the word soliloquy, I figured it's an open forum.

You're just dredding the day you'll have to admit you're trading usefulness and information for a lazy, brain-free user inerface. :chicken:

[quote=tommy-n;2547873] ...you'll wonder what your doing wrong [\quote]

If you ever wanna put your $ where your mouth is lemme know. ;)

[ih772]

Come on, using a word like soliloquy isn't fair, tommy-n doesn't know what it means. :lol:

[ih772]

I find the menu system very easy to use. Its all right there in front of you at the push of a button, just read what it says. Maybe the guys that have a hard time with it, are the same guys that read at a second grade level and need a machine that's dumbed down for them. :D

[sea nympho]

I gotta admit, I do miss that flasher HUM sometimes. And I think it ran on a charge longer than my 502 does, but I just bought a bigger battery!:lol:

[zx10r2004]

I find the menu system very easy to use. Its all right there in front of you at the push of a button, just read what it says. Maybe the guys that have a hard time with it, are the same guys that read at a second grade level and need a machine that's dumbed down for them. :Dyou are right ;) everyone that buys the lowrance are having trouble with the menu system. everyday someone post a problem or question about how to do this or that. so your saying the lowrance guys are at a 2nd grade level and dumb.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[ih772]

Herd a lot of opinions about diffrent sonars and such here is my view on Vexilar.
1. On and working with two actions plug in batter terminal flip on and she is functional just how I left it.
2. 4 yrs and it still works like the day I bought it. Tough sucker too I fish a lot.
3. No Frills/buttons just sonar action with minimal tinkering or wonering where in the heck your jig is.
4. Great service department.
5. Guess the biggest one of all is I am just used to that darn hum. Keeps me sane when I am all alone on the ice.......I here it in my sleep often.

#1. I push one button and its exactly like I left it. Ready to go!
#4. You'll need that service department to rebuild and replace the worn out moving parts. My Vex wore out and died.

[MSUICEMAN]

what cracks me up is the lowrance guys that think that their wonderful graph is so much different than vex's and the vex guys that think the graph is so much different than their dear vex's.

the only thing different is that for a real time view you look at the RHS of the graph (which in essense is a vertical flasher), but you have a history of everything to the left of it.

I've seen both in action (and I currently use a vex), and both get good target seperation, and both have ample power (Wattage alone isn't the end all be all as far as signal, but I will only extrapolate on that if you really want me to go into some technical mumbo jumbo).

both helps ya get fish. I *might* end up getting a x67c to give a whirl, more for the fact that I plan on getting a new boat this year and I could always put that one up on the front deck too.

[sea nympho]

what cracks me up is the lowrance guys that think that their wonderful graph is so much different than vex's.

The major difference between the two is the history. It allows the user to better determine the RATE of movements, be it a jig, bait, or target fish. Those who don't understand why it is advantageous to determine RATES of movement are fine w/ Vex's & don't NEED a graph b/c they could not utilize it's potential.


(Wattage alone isn't the end all be all as far as signal, but I will only extrapolate on that if you really want me to go into some technical mumbo jumbo)..

Actually, there are several instances where the graph's higher output power is advantageous, just ask the Marcum LX5 guys! ;)


When fishing in a crowd.
Or deep water
Fishing drop-offs.

I *might* end up getting a x67c more for the fact that I plan on getting a new boat this year and I could always put that one up on the front deck too.

Best arguement going, I say. Why have one sonar sitting useless for half the year at ANY given time?

Drop some coin on a sweet unit and use it 4 tines a week ALL year long.:coolgleam

[tommy-n]

I get sick of the force feeding, read the title, nobody said nothing about your lowrance 67, go tell somebody that cares. We don't keep jumping on every thread you start. Get a clue, stay off ours and we'll stay off yours. I don't recall anyone saying what should I get a lowrance or a vexilar

Anybody wants to put there money where there mouth is I'll glady come and take. I'll catch three fish to your one, not just because I use a vexilar but I'm bad***** no matter what I'm using

[ih772]

Sea Nympho, how's the fishing? Any bites?

[sea nympho]

I get sick of the force feeding, read the title, nobody said nothing about your lowrance 67, go tell somebody that cares. We don't keep jumping on every thread you start. Get a clue, stay off ours and we'll stay off yours. I don't recall anyone saying what should I get a lowrance or a vexilar

Anybody wants to put there money where there mouth is I'll glady come and take. I'll catch three fish to your one, not just because I use a vexilar but I'm bad***** no matter what I'm using

You can be as sick of it as you like, and even VENT 'till you're at ease again. I bet you only get so angry about it b/c you KNOW it's the truth! LMAO!!

3 to my 1 huh?:lol:

QUIT SINGIN' IT & START BRINGIN' IT *****! :evilsmile

[sea nympho]

Sea Nympho, how's the fishing? Any bites?

Been messin' w/ channel cats lately, had an AWESOME dinner the other night.:corkysm55

Robert just fixed my aqu- vu last night, I plan on recording the cats biting & geting hooked and post it up here. It's gonna be really useful (like a tool, & not a toy) b/c those damn cats mess w/ the bait, like catfsh do. It gets hard to know when to stick 'em. The cam'll tell me just when to let 'em HAVE IT!:evil:

sorry for the hijack :hide: :lol:

[StumpJumper]

I wish I had a dollar for everytime I have caught more fish than the guys around me with electronics.
:o

[MSUICEMAN]

I question the usefulness of the history by stating it doesn't take a genius to read a flasher and know how far your jig is moving in a timeframe, or a fish for that matter either... which would give you velocity (rate of movement). Can you please ellaborate on how this history has really helped you catch fish? Maybe there is something that I'm missing with that.

more wattage does not necessarily equate to better depth performance, and it sure doesn't mean better performance on dropoffs.

it does mean however that you have a bigger near field dead zone, and also on a dropoff you in effect have the same dead zone that a flasher does.

Amplitude is only one portion of a wave... i wrote a lot of other crap, but let me tell ya.... amplitude aint everything as far as signals.

[ih772]

Can your Vex do this, zoom in too a spot this much?
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/zoom_0001a.jpg

No it can't? How about this much?


http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/zoom_0002a.jpg

I can't do that either? Hmm, sorry to hear that. :D

[sea nympho]

I question the usefulness of the history by stating it doesn't take a genius to read a flasher and know how far your jig is moving in a timeframe, or a fish for that matter either... which would give you velocity (rate of movement). Can you please ellaborate on how this history has really helped you catch fish? Maybe there is something that I'm missing with that.

more wattage does not necessarily equate to better depth performance, and it sure doesn't mean better performance on dropoffs.

it does mean however that you have a bigger near field dead zone, and also on a dropoff you in effect have the same dead zone that a flasher does.

Amplitude is only one portion of a wave... i wrote a lot of other crap, but let me tell ya.... amplitude aint everything as far as signals.

Simple, velocity often indicates fish aggressiveness & mood. Furthermore, I have a mental picture of each bait I ever use working in the water, hard or soft water. I understand how it works and I don't just tie it on and HOPE it works...or do it how someone showed me, or rad in the directions, it has to be made to work correctly. Doesn't everyone get a new lure & drop it in the water to see how it works? I know, given the situation, just how I want it to be working. The graph's history then becomes an indispensible tool for knowing exactly HOW your lure is performing & how the fish are responding to it below. Feeling the lure's movement was enough...until I began watching them work on sonar & camera.

There would be no difference in the drop-off dead zones between the two units b/c the signal technology & physics are no different, esp sinse both units operate close to 200khz. My reference was to SEEING FISH on the sonar while FISHING A BREAK. My 502 does it better in the same locations this year than my fl8 did last year b/c it's more tuneable and that's the BIGGEST selling point for graphs on ince, IMO.:)

My graph also excels over the fl8 I SOLD in separating fish in weeds.

[tommy-n]

We don't care, go start another thread that does not say "why I like my vexilar"

[Quack Wacker]

you are right ;) everyone that buys the lowrance are having trouble with the menu system. everyday someone post a problem or question about how to do this or that. so your saying the lowrance guys are at a 2nd grade level and dumb.:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Thats because they don't read the manual first. I read it first and never had a question.

[ih772]

As far as history goes, what do you miss when you're looking away from the Vex? I bet you can't tell me can you. ;)

History is information, the more information you have, the better the decisions you make are going to be. Combine the history with the really tight zoom, you are able to detect movements that are not detectable on the Vex because the Vex has a lot lower resolution. When the fish have lock jaw, reading those very subtle movements is very important to your presentation.

It used to drive me crazy with my Vex when fish were only coming up a foot off the bottom and I couldn't zoom in any closer than 6'. That one foot section of water on the Vex is only a half inch wide on the screen, which makes it nearly impossible to tell what the fish is doing. That same one foot of water on the Lowrance is a little over six times larger, nearly the entire screen, which lets you separate the fish from the bottom and your lure. You can tell if its coming up slowly, going down slowly or having a stare down. You can't see the same thing on the Vex in a tiny little half inch portion of screen.

[sea nympho]

We don't care, go start another thread that does not say "why I like my vexilar"


Reasons Flasher Sonar Technology Will Die Soon...

This one's for you tommy-n! ;) :lol::lol::lol:

But I don't imagine they'll be any posters...:whistle:

:evilsmile

Sorry for the hijack but all I said was "...I'll keep pushing buttons on the graph, thanks...."

[zx10r2004]

I find the menu system very easy to use. Its all right there in front of you at the push of a button, just read what it says. Maybe the guys that have a hard time with it, are the same guys that read at a second grade level and need a machine that's dumbed down for them. :Dat least i'm smart enough to know how to set my gain.:lol::lol::lol::lol: http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32062&highlight=vexilar

[tommy-n]

" maybe the guys that have a hard time with it, are the same guys that read at a second grade level and need a machine thats dumbed down for them"

wow thats a great statement:sad: I have a couple friends that probably can't read at a second grade level, yet they make more money at there jobs than most will ever see.

I have no respect for people that post comments like that and can't understand why the moderators let it fly, your way outta line. I'm done here

[Chad Smith]

at least i'm smart enough to know how to set my gain.:lol::lol::lol::lol: http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32062&highlight=vexilar

Wow! Thats just cold! Ice cold. :lol:
If the 67 is so great Vex will/should market something similar. Until my FL8 breaks down, I'm content with the tech. I have.

[Clinch]

I heard if you buy a sonar, it turns you into a arrogant, cocky, prick. Looks like I heard right.

[rivrat1959]

I heard if you buy a sonar, it turns you into a arrogant, cocky, prick. Looks like I heard right.

:lol::lol::lol:

[MDNRFD]

AHHHAHAHAh hahaha heeee heee hooo hooooo no clinch buying a power auger turns you into a prick.

[Quig7557]

Ford, chevy, ford chevy dodge , who cares. If you like what you have great. Lighten up.

[Kelly Johnson]

I heard if you buy a sonar, it turns you into a arrogant, cocky, prick. Looks like I heard right.

Wrong.
I was an arrogant prick well before I bought mine:p

Ford, chevy, ford chevy dodge , who cares. If you like what you have great. Lighten up.

Word:)

[sfw1960]

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So simple , even a cave douche` 'E' douche` can use it!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


(OK Mike , I'm outta here...LMAO! ;))

BTW~ I have a powaH auger and a TFT LCD recorder , so yeah ... pretty much - I'm a pr!ck.
:lol:

[MSUICEMAN]

what if i have a lcd graph (albeit an old one), vex, power auger, camera, and damn near anything else you can think of?

[sfw1960]

what if i have a lcd graph (albeit an old one), vex, power auger, camera, and damn near anything else you can think of?
I'd say that you're due for an UPGRADE Steve!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MSUICEMAN]

i probably will at least give a new one a whirl... and who knows, maybe a 522 might be in my future..... especially for the boat.

[walleye]

I heard if you buy a sonar, it turns you into a arrogant, cocky, prick. Looks like I heard right.Somebody has sonar envy and low self esteem.

[ih772]

Wrong.
I was an arrogant prick well before I bought mine:p



Word:)LOL, same here!

[sea nympho]

Somebody has sonar envy and low self esteem.

"Sonar envy"...too funny! LMAO! :lol:

[JimLeadfoot]

As far as history goes, what do you miss when you're looking away from the Vex? I bet you can't tell me can you. ;)

History is information, the more information you have, the better the decisions you make are going to be. Combine the history with the really tight zoom, you are able to detect movements that are not detectable on the Vex because the Vex has a lot lower resolution. When the fish have lock jaw, reading those very subtle movements is very important to your presentation.

It used to drive me crazy with my Vex when fish were only coming up a foot off the bottom and I couldn't zoom in any closer than 6'. That one foot section of water on the Vex is only a half inch wide on the screen, which makes it nearly impossible to tell what the fish is doing. That same one foot of water on the Lowrance is a little over six times larger, nearly the entire screen, which lets you separate the fish from the bottom and your lure. You can tell if its coming up slowly, going down slowly or having a stare down. You can't see the same thing on the Vex in a tiny little half inch portion of screen.


Hey - I thought the vex used to be on your avatar screen? Did you need the close up abilities of your new unit to see your grapeseeds and finally stand up for yourself & post your own pic instead of a vex screen? Now you're dissing it?

Take the average guy...ask him how deep he's fishing...most people have no clue. The vex allows the question to be answered, the other units allow it as well - your point is well taken. If precision is what you're looking for, you, unfortuantely make more time to fish than I do, and I envy that. But for every time that I get out now, at least I know what the activity is in the hole - and that makes the catching a whole lot beter than the fishing.

[MiketheElder]

I heard if you buy a sonar, it turns you into a arrogant, cocky, prick. Looks like I heard right.

You rang?????? Even the flasher on the Lowrance is better than a vex.:evilsmile

[jacktownhooker]

see what ya started jayjaymo !!! i actually have both and use both ! my vex is hooked to my bucket and i can run n gun and sit and look between my legs to see screen and simpler to pull up transducer when fish on .for gills and crappies i find fast and simple good !! (like microwave ) but if i need bottom seperation -say for perch-walleye -cats i use the m-68 and take the time and patience (like my gourmet meal) and i can lock the position in unlike the vex . so the answer my friends is enjoy what you have and having both aint bad !

[krt]

I find the menu system very easy to use. Its all right there in front of you at the push of a button, just read what it says. Maybe the guys that have a hard time with it, are the same guys that read at a second grade level and need a machine that's dumbed down for them. :D

Or an instructor to put up you tube videos.....:evil:

[JayJayMo]

see what ya started jayjaymo !!! i actually have both and use both ! my vex is hooked to my bucket and i can run n gun and sit and look between my legs to see screen and simpler to pull up transducer when fish on .for gills and crappies i find fast and simple good !! (like microwave ) but if i need bottom seperation -say for perch-walleye -cats i use the m-68 and take the time and patience (like my gourmet meal) and i can lock the position in unlike the vex . so the answer my friends is enjoy what you have and having both aint bad !

Exactly what I wanted...........Hahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!

Really for my aplications and tourny fishing yes I need to run and gun, down a hole in a hurry and for that I love my vex, not aposed to the dark side just dont got the cash now. Jacktown your point was well taken two units can be usefull and if I had a boat and not a kayak I would duel use it, but I like the $80 sonars for the yak incase I tip (I am sure the die hard lowrance guys would say just put the vex on there and tip it thats all there worth:lol:). I just wanted to state why I love the ole bugger and proly gunna keep her for a while.

[fishctchr]

I haven't had the opportunity to use a Lowrance on ice, but have 2 on my charter boat. That is all I've used on my boats for 30 yrs with great reliability and performance, until the last unit. The fishfinder portion quit working just over a year after purchase. I'm now thinking Raymarine next time. I don't know how well the Lowrance will hold up to the rigours of ice but maybe I'll try it. I do know my vex has stood up to major abuse for over 11 yrs and still going strong. I'm on battery #2 and transducer #2 is acting up, but it gets beat hard. Just got back from the big NAIFC tournament on Devils with pro ice teams from 7 states and I didn't see anyone using anything but vex's or marcum's. The marcums are more powerful and have more features, but the vexilars are more reliable. The high power of the marcum is good for messing everyone else around you up.

[StumpJumper]

I was on my way to Cabelas last weekend to buy a Showdown, got out to my truck and it wouldn't start, ended up buying a starter instead.

Lifes a beach.

[tommy-n]

Fishctchr, not good, I have had two on my boat and they cannot take the vibration of big outboards and rough waters. The key pad went on one of them and the other unit just quit working. They were both professionally mounted on ram mounts. I have a raytheon L470 lcd and garnin 182 gps currently both have treated me well so far.

[JayJayMo]

I was on my way to Cabelas last weekend to buy a Showdown, got out to my truck and it wouldn't start, ended up buying a starter instead.

Lifes a beach.

If I had a nickel for all the times this kind of thing happened to me I could buy 100 lowrances, 300 vexilars, 150 humingbirds, 175 marcums and about 250 showdowns:). Life is one heck of a beach sometimes.

[StumpJumper]

I'm tellin ya. Also noticed my water pump dripping while I was under there.

05' 3/4 ton Ram with 40K miles.... POS.

[JayJayMo]

I'm tellin ya. Also noticed my water pump dripping while I was under there.

05' 3/4 ton Ram with 40K miles.... POS.

01' Ranger 2wd bigger and more usless POS:lol:

[zx10r2004]

01' Ranger 2wd bigger and more usless POS:lol:
2003 h2 even bigger POS.:lol::lol::lol:.:( the truck sat for a while and the front end is fued up.

[GoneFishin]

Bought a FL-8 over 16 years ago it's takin' a lickin' and it's still a tickin'. I didn't have ta worry about what to buy as it was the only show in town back then. I guess when it wears out I'll have to make a decision as to which make and model on the market to buy. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: But do ya really need all them bells and whistles ta catch a fish?? :confused: :confused: I see the bottom, I see the fish, I see my lure, and I see the seperation between 'em, what else do I need?

[sea nympho]

But do ya really need all them bells and whistles ta catch a fish?? :confused: :confused:

No.

I see the bottom, I see the fish, I see my lure, and I see the seperation between 'em, what else do I need?

You'll see when you get your new graph. :D

[Clinch]

[quote=walleye;2548983]Somebody has sonar envy and low self esteem.[/quote

Come on, you cant come up with anything better than that? Very laim. I have a good idea on how to test out your sonars. How bout ih, sea nympho and walleye all get together with your sonars during your next manfest circle jerk session and stick the ends up each others *****es. Make sure they are set to mark homosexual shitbag morons, I bet you'll get reading off the charts.

[sea nympho]

[quote=walleye;2548983]Somebody has sonar envy and low self esteem.[/quote

Come on, you cant come up with anything better than that? Very laim. I have a good idea on how to test out your sonars. How bout ih, sea nympho and walleye all get together with your sonars during your next manfest circle jerk session and stick the ends up each others *****es. Make sure they are set to mark homosexual shitbag morons, I bet you'll get reading off the charts.


Morons can't spell, like you. Isn't today a school day in 6th grade? Are you on recess?

Bye bye, you're about to get banned...or at least on everyone's "Ignore List", you're now on mine. :)

[tommy-n]

How long you mods gonna let this go on, it"s always the same guys coming to a flasher thread, starting their crap

[Clinch]

Great comeback sea homo. You sure put me in my place. It must suck to be you. I bet it sucks real bad.

[sea nympho]

How long you mods gonna let this go on, it"s always the same guys coming to a flasher thread, starting their crap

Don't lump me in w/ that db. :mad:

[Capnhook]

COME ON YOU GUYS!! JUST STOP!! This crap has to end!Capnhook

[tommy-n]

All I'm gonna say is look at the title of the thread, we don't come to your x67 threads and start bashing, at least I don't:sad:

[sea nympho]

All I'm gonna say is look at the title of the thread, we don't come to your x67 threads and start bashing, at least I don't:sad:

FOR THE LAST TIME!!! :dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:

All I said was "I'll stick w/ pushing buttonson my graph"! :rant:

YOU AND OTHERS HAD TO PIPE IN ABOUT MY COMMENT BEING OUT OF PLACE. YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHAT SHOULD BE POSTED, OR WHAT POSTS MESH W/ THE TITLE GOOD ENOUGH. IT'S YOUR WHOLE 'US & THEM' LOGIC THATS CONTORTED.

BYE :irked:

[tommy-n]

Your not the only one there's 4-5 guys doing it all the time, I have already sent pm's to the mods before this.

You can't keep picking at people and expect nothing to happen:sad:

I'm done here:sad:

[Quack Wacker]

Your not the only one there's 4-5 guys doing it all the time, I have already sent pm's to the mods before this.

You can't keep picking at people and expect nothing to happen:sad:

I'm done here:sad:

Don't worry tommy-n, I will admit it I made a comment on the "reconditioned vex" thread, I thought I would just give him my opinion and I didn't pay attention to the title of the thread. Just got to antsy to give me .02 cents. For that I appologize, because I know you made a comment towards me for writing it. Again, I totally see what you were saying about coming onto a vex thread and throwing in the x67c junk when it was a question about vex's. I will pay more attention towards the title from now on. Now lets all just get along.

[WALLEYE MIKE]

How long you mods gonna let this go on, it"s always the same guys coming to a flasher thread, starting their crap

Just till now.