How many of you feel the way I do?

[XXXdisel77]

A thread was started earlier talking about asking someone to drill holes for you if you don't have an auger. I have no problem helping a guy out especially during these harsh economic times when some can't afford the supplies to fish, but I was wondering if any of you guys feel the way I do about people drilling their own holes while ice fishing. It really gets under my skin when I drill 50-100 holes and everyone uses them without lifting a finger to help drill a few theirselves. They just come right out and see all of the holes and sit down and start fishing. I will be quick to let them know that I'm whipped from drilling all of those holes and how I think it would be decent of them to punch a few for all of us to fish out of too. I know some like to just sit down and stay in one spot the whole time they are out, but I'm a hole hopping bluegill hunting son of a gun and need plenty of holes. I tell them I have no problem with guys fishing any of my holes as long as they drill a few as well. In your opinions, do you think I am being a jerk, or do you feel that I have a valid point that everyone should contribute? Don't get me wrong, I feel that everyone should enjoy their time out on the ice and I help people anytime I can. I tell them where the fish are biting, what I'm using, the presentation that I use, etc. I just feel what's right is right!

[naterade]

Could have probably just added this to the other thread.

I have to say that if I came out on a lake you were on and there were 50 holes that I didn't see you drill I'd probably try one or two.

If I saw you drilling 50 holes I'd probably just scratch my head and wonder if you were looking for something you dropped off your boat in the summer.

[outdoor_m_i_k_e]

Could have probably just added this to the other thread.

I have to say that if I came out on a lake you were on and there were 50 holes that I didn't see you drill I'd probably try one or two.

If I saw you drilling 50 holes I'd probably just scratch my head and wonder if you were looking for something you dropped off your boat in the summer.
yeah definantly. if I come out on the ice and there THAT many holes drilled, then there are obviously some not right next to you so im going to assume that they were from previous fisherman. . im not going to take the guard off my auger if its in the general area I was intending to fish. . whats the point?! if you want to waste your time drilling 100 holes on public water, you cant claim them. . if I drill holes and come back the next day and there are people fishing them I move to a different spot. . its not anyones place to make someone move. .

[Sailorman]

yeah what the hell are you drilling 50-100 holes for. I would say that i would use them if there was a hole where i wanted to fish.

[Scott K]

I agree with the others. If there are open holes I use them. I just assume someone made them and left for the day. Certainly if you told me otherwise I would gladly help chop a few also.

[Loomis]

Sounds like he does more hole drillin then fishin, I'd say your a hole drillin son of a gun:lol:

[The_Don]

im curious why someone would go out ice fishing with no way to put a hole in the ice :dizzy:

[blgoose44]

I try to put atleast 8-12 holes out in a line. When I flip my hut back, and see someone there I'm mad. I know it's a public lake, but I do that so everything is calmed down by the time I go to use them, and I can hole hop. I would gladly drill holes for someone, but stay out of mine.

[JasonCarp]

You drill 50-100 holes and have the audacity to expect someone to drill some more? If I go out and see 100 holes where I want to fish, thanks, you just saved me a beathless 20 minutes of huffin and puffin. I too wonder why anyone would go out Ice Fishing and expect someone else out there to drill holes for them, but then again, I don't carry an auger, but merely a little spud, but my buddy does. I also don't go to the lake expecting to fish from someone else's boat.

If there are fish in the lake 50-100 should be enough!

[naterade]

im curious why someone would go out ice fishing with no way to put a hole in the ice :dizzy:

There's a whole other thread going on that is talking about that. In this case, I'd even sit and try a hole even with my auger next to me.

Not because I'm lazy or felt like taking advantage of someone else's hard work. Simply because it was there and I would be under the impression it was a vacant hole.

I hate it when someone comes out and starts drilling and making a ruckus where I'm fishing when there are spare holes around.

I might have 5 to 6 holes drilled in a Z pattern over structure but all close enough to my 'base camp' that someone would know they were mine.

Still, if someone used one I'd be happier than if they setup right next to me and started drilling and banging after I had been fishing for a bit.

I personally think 50 to 100 holes is excessive but it's not my business to tell someone how to go about ice fishing. But I'd say it is getting a bit ownerous of the public area to expect 50 to 100 holes to be left alone for one person that chose to drill that many.

[steve myers]

I fish auger lots of holes and jump around and I feel the same way you do.Other fishermen can use some holes but put a few in yourself too.

[krt]

First off, chances are that I wouldn't get close enough to see how many holes you drilled. But if I had, and there were actually 50 or more holes, I might try one or two a distance from you. If the number were only 4-6 and they were near you, I would not fish them.
For me, it has more to do how close the holes are to a person, though. Obviously, all 50-100 holes couldn't be too close to one person.

[Matt V]

If I see a bunch of open hole's with no one around I will fish them. If I see a bunch of hole's around someone who is obviously fishing them I stay away. I normally drill 6 to 10 hole's around the area that I am fishing, and am not very happy when someone start's fishing them.

[DE82]

You're drilling WAY too many holes, my thoughts are if you drill that many don't be mad if somebody comes and used them....I know I wouldn't be.

[Radar420]

hmmmm.... if everyone who fished on St. Clair drilled 50-100 holes every time out, I don't think there would be any ice to fish on:p

The way I look at it is if there is an open hole out on the ice in the area I want to fish and it's not right next to someone, I'm going to fish that hole so I don't risk the chance of spooking other fish drilling/spudding my hole.

Also if the ice gets over 12" and I'm not using my shanty then I'm going to take my spud and there is no way I'm going to spud through 12"+ of ice.:)

[jimbo]

first off, i don't like going out & starting off in someone elses hole.
(so to speak) i like to put in one or two myself at least to start.
i hole hop alot too. so if we are fishing in a group, i may use some open holes after a bit.

but if there a crap load of holes , that covers alot of area, & the water
IS FREE for everyone.

no if there's a hole that's "marked" (some eq. or fish laying next to it)
that is definently OFF LIMIT.

[jerryk]

Could you drill like 5 holes and put empty (no line or hook) tip-ups in them?

[Chad Smith]

Whenever I go somewhere I drill holes close to the preexisting holes, it helps you stay on the fish longer and lets you know which direction the school is moving.

[GOTONE]

I would also use them and I do drill a lot of holes but I have a gas auger and it only takes a few seconds so it does not mater to me

[chuckwagon157]

You can drill as many as you want. But I am with most of the other guys here. If they are not next to you, the other holes are fair game. If the holes are even as close as 5ft apart, thats still a prety big area. Either way, if you are going to put that much work into it, why have someone drill another hole and stir the fish up if there are more than enough to go around.

[outdoor_m_i_k_e]

Could you drill like 5 holes and put empty (no line or hook) tip-ups in them?
to answer this yes you can. . . we used to do this when we were younger on a very small body of water that only about 5-6 people could comfortably put out tip-ups on. . i made up about 20 "fake tip ups". . they were pieces of wood with homemade flags, but nothing actually went in the water. . they could sit on the ice and pile up a little snow so to make it look like you drilled a hole. . when there were 2-3 of us and over 20 out, but we each only had our legal amount of tip ups out, no one would stay and fish. . now granted we got checled by a CO and they physically checked every tip up out there to make sure we didnt have more than the legal amount of lines in the water and we never did. I mean it obviously wasnt our water to claim, but hey, we were young, plus it took all of the pressure off of it. .

[chuckwagon157]

^^^:lol::lol::lol:

[Homer48088]

If I went out on the lake and saw 50 - 100 holes alreay drilled and nobody using them, I'd say that it must be my lucky day. :lol:

[XXXdisel77]

I see a lot of you think I use too many holes. I must say that where I fish it is 30' deep and the fish are constantly on the move. Most of the guys are happy to get 5-10 gills, and that's all they usually get sitting in their one hole. Don't get me wrong, on the right day you can get quite a few out of one hole, but usually on this lake you have to be very mobile to limit out day in and day out. I never said I claim all the holes on the lake, but why on earth would someone be so lazy that they can't drill a hole for crying out loud. I bet if you guys fished like I do you would see things in a whole different light. I asked the question just to see the percentage of people that felt it was right to mooch off of a fellow sportsmans hard work. To those of you that would at least drill a few holes before just throwing the auger down and jumping in vacant holes that were being used, KUDOS to you all!

By the way to those that don't agree with me I am in no way trying to start a big fight, just venting a little is all. Also, if it helps I fish in southern MI and there are not that many guys out on the lakes I fish. I could see on a lake up north where there are tons of guys that drilling that many holes in a hot spot and expecting people to stay clear of you would be a little unreasonable. We all have our different views on each subject and there is no reason to bicker when we don't agree with one another. All opinions are welcome and that is the reason I started this thread to get opinions. Thanks to all for sharing their opinions and good luck on the ice!

[DE82]

I see a lot of you think I use too many holes. I must say that where I fish it is 30' deep and the fish are constantly on the move. Most of the guys are happy to get 5-10 gills, and that's all they usually get sitting in their one hole. Don't get me wrong, on the right day you can get quite a few out of one hole, but usually on this lake you have to be very mobile to limit out day in and day out. I never said I claim all the holes on the lake, but why on earth would someone be so lazy that they can't drill a hole for crying out loud. I bet if you guys fished like I do you would see things in a whole different light. I asked the question just to see the percentage of people that felt it was right to mooch off of a fellow sportsmans hard work. I honestly didn't expect to see so many "sportsman" as most would loosely call themselves admit to taking advantage of the fruits of anothers labor. To those of you that would at least drill a few holes before just throwing the auger down and jumping in vacant holes that were BEING USED, KUDOS to you all!I don't know if this is sad or funny to be totally honest

[chuckwagon157]

I asked the question just to see the percentage of people that felt it was right to mooch off of a fellow sportsmans hard work. I honestly didn't expect to see so many "sportsman" as most would loosely call themselves admit to taking advantage of the fruits of anothers labor. To those of you that would at least drill a few holes before just throwing the auger down and jumping in vacant holes that were BEING USED, KUDOS to you all!

You don't use to many holes. It's your preference. But to say that we are using the word "sportsman" loosely is kind of a slap in the face. Now, I don't mean to start an argument, but if there are really that many holes, who are you to say " I know I have taken a large chuck of this public fishing space as my own, but you can use it, as long as you do something in return". I see it as putting a hole to use without causing the disturbance of making yet another hole.

[XXXdisel77]

You don't use to many holes. It's your preference. But to say that we are using the word "sportsman" loosely is kind of a slap in the face. Now, I don't mean to start an argument, but if there are really that many holes, who are you to say " I know I have taken a large chuck of this public fishing space as my own, but you can use it, as long as you do something in return". I see it as putting a hole to use without causing the disturbance of making yet another hole.

Just so you know, I did edit my post as it was not right for me to say that about fellow sportsman. You just beat me to it with your post. LOL!!! I guess I am not the fastest gun in the west. Anyhow your opinion and everyone elses on here is just as valuable as the next guys. I don't want to be one of those guys that are going to get bent out of shape just because others don't see things the way I see them. This is the reason I edited my post to reflect the way I really feel about the situation at hand. I do have to admit my body is tore up from drilling so many dam holes over the past few days though. Maybe I should start paying kids $.50 per hole from now on and kicking back and relaxing until my holes are all drilled and ready to fish. LOL!!!!

[XXXdisel77]

I don't know if this is sad or funny to be totally honest

Just laugh it off bud!:lol: I don't seem to be making friends with many on this forum lately.

[basskiller46]

I see a lot of you think I use too many holes. I must say that where I fish it is 30' deep and the fish are constantly on the move. Most of the guys are happy to get 5-10 gills, and that's all they usually get sitting in their one hole. Don't get me wrong, on the right day you can get quite a few out of one hole, but usually on this lake you have to be very mobile to limit out day in and day out. I never said I claim all the holes on the lake, but why on earth would someone be so lazy that they can't drill a hole for crying out loud. I bet if you guys fished like I do you would see things in a whole different light. I asked the question just to see the percentage of people that felt it was right to mooch off of a fellow sportsmans hard work. To those of you that would at least drill a few holes before just throwing the auger down and jumping in vacant holes that were being used, KUDOS to you all!

By the way to those that don't agree with me I am in no way trying to start a big fight, just venting a little is all. Also, if it helps I fish in southern MI and there are not that many guys out on the lakes I fish. I could see on a lake up north where there are tons of guys that drilling that many holes in a hot spot and expecting people to stay clear of you would be a little unreasonable. We all have our different views on each subject and there is no reason to bicker when we don't agree with one another. All opinions are welcome and that is the reason I started this thread to get opinions. Thanks to all for sharing their opinions and good luck on the ice!

I know what you mean by moving around a lot ive had to do it but if you make a pattern like a big circle around instead of 50 holes you would save a lot of energy i mean you must have some ripped arms by now:lol: I can see from your point of view that you just drilled 50 holes and your tired and then someone just sits down and uses them while your hyperventilating i would be somewhat mad too but looking at it from the other guys point of view its totally different because after 50 holes its probably like a 20 yard radius around you and once hes that far from you its a whole different story i would just drill holes as you move while following the fish.
You might be the first person to suffer from overheating in subzero weather.

[chuckwagon157]

I understand. and thanks for rewording it. I do understand your point, I just don't agree with it. But just because I don't agree with it, does not make it wrong. Your way is your way because it works for you. And all in all, thats what keeps things going smoothly.

[XXXdisel77]

I know what you mean by moving around a lot ive had to do it but if you make a pattern like a big circle around instead of 50 holes you would save a lot of energy i mean you must have some ripped arms by now:lol: I can see from your point of view that you just drilled 50 holes and your tired and then someone just sits down and uses them while your hyperventilating i would be somewhat mad too but looking at it from the other guys point of view its totally different because after 50 holes its probably like a 20 yard radius around you and once hes that far from you its a whole different story i would just drill holes as you move while following the fish.
You might be the first person to suffer from overheating in subzero weather.

Seriously that is all I'm getting at man. This is totally what I'm trying to explain and maybe I should have put it in these words. Very ripped arms indeed, but then again I'm a bodybuilder so I better have ripped arms. I had to LMAO at the comment "1st person to overheat in subzero weather" because at times that is exaclty the way I feel.

[bucknduck]

couple of questions1. How long do you fish each of the 100 holes? I threw some numbers around and if you only spend 5 mins at each hole, you could fish around 10 holes an hour and that's giving yourself 1-2, min to move between holes and factor in other down time, it would take around 8-9 hours to fish 100 holes. Ok, so your fishing 2 holes at a time so its going to take between 4-5 hour to make your rounds and that's only if your spend around 5 minutes at each hole. 2. How do you brand each hole so that you can identify it 4-5 or 8-9 hours later?I fish the afternoons sometimes and if I see a hole that is starting to ice over which means that it hasn't been fish in awhile which I'm sure 50 of your holes probably look like that, I'm going to fish it as long as I keep my distance. When I leave a hole that I cut and move to another hole, that hole becomes fair game to whoever comes along after I have moved on.

[basskiller46]

Seriously that is all I'm getting at man. This is totally what I'm trying to explain and maybe I should have put it in these words. Very ripped arms indeed, but then again I'm a bodybuilder so I better have ripped arms. I had to LMAO at the comment "1st person to overheat in subzero weather" because at times that is exaclty the way I feel.

I know some bodybuilders and you guys just freaking dont stop untill you feel
you cant lift it anymore. Now take that concept and put it into to fishing fish a hole to its max and once your sure they moved then make the move kinda like going onto next set of lifts:lol:

I know how you feel i have a damn mora:lol: Its like cutting concrete with a butter knife. So my 3 holes feel like your 50 probably because im half your size too:lol: But If i dont get a new auger soon my arms might be bigger than yours.

But if i were you i would just stop making a lot of holes move with the fish or wait for the guy that uses your holes and then let him make his and use those.:D

[ih772]

A thread was started earlier talking about asking someone to drill holes for you if you don't have an auger. I have no problem helping a guy out especially during these harsh economic times when some can't afford the supplies to fish, but I was wondering if any of you guys feel the way I do about people drilling their own holes while ice fishing. It really gets under my skin when I drill 50-100 holes and everyone uses them without lifting a finger to help drill a few theirselves. They just come right out and see all of the holes and sit down and start fishing. I will be quick to let them know that I'm whipped from drilling all of those holes and how I think it would be decent of them to punch a few for all of us to fish out of too. I know some like to just sit down and stay in one spot the whole time they are out, but I'm a hole hopping bluegill hunting son of a gun and need plenty of holes. I tell them I have no problem with guys fishing any of my holes as long as they drill a few as well. In your opinions, do you think I am being a jerk, or do you feel that I have a valid point that everyone should contribute? Don't get me wrong, I feel that everyone should enjoy their time out on the ice and I help people anytime I can. I tell them where the fish are biting, what I'm using, the presentation that I use, etc. I just feel what's right is right!

Your request sounds reasonable to me. You did the work to earn the money for equipment, and you drilled all the holes, enjoy them.

There are a lot of what I will term "welfare" fisherman. They'll let someone else do the work and think that they are entitled to enjoy the fruits of your labor.

[jacktownhooker]

my take is are you drilling properly with a plan or scattered hoping to hit the honey hole like most people at the slots? with a plan then your first set of holes you have exhausted the resources either by fish not there or too small or wrong species or caught the only available fish ! so you are done !! why would you care who used it ? some people just like sloppy seconds ! or dumpster divers ! one mans trash is anothers treasure ! bass anglers and backseaters go over same water and pull out fish that others miss - so that is another reason to exhaust the area with different techniques finnesse- power -size -color- baits after that i hope you are deducting areas -weedlines- depth-basin -different species -flats-weedtypes all with the same end -of exhausting that resource !! do you really care who gets the sloppy seconds? on the other hand i have asked if i can fish anothers hole because it was obviouse they had no electronics -1-2 poles with same jigs and 1 bait- not exhausting the resource - and if i caught anything i would teach them or give the fish or hope that they further the experience of ice fishing by dropping the transducer down a hole they are fishing and showing what they are missing ! way before i could afford a vex i would take a 6 pack cooler plastic and put a tractor battery inside drill holes for wires and mount lcd or old humminbird flasher to top of container top and have a metal rod sticking out thru the bottom container with threads and nuts had an adjustment arm that went down towards hole with a float bubble on top and ran transducer off that and made my own ice machine anyone can make one - no excuse

[sarge300]

Dont see a problem with it , the trouble comes in when they walk into your shanty and start using your holes there :lol: Then i take offense to that, otherwise fish away. Now that we got a gas auger this year to drill holes for us. Last year we would of been one of the guys fishing your holes you drilled lol because that dam pos manual auger we had took 20 mins to drill a hole :yikes:

[sarge300]

couple of questions1. How long do you fish each of the 100 holes? I threw some numbers around and if you only spend 5 mins at each hole, you could fish around 10 holes an hour and that's giving yourself 1-2, min to move between holes and factor in other down time, it would take around 8-9 hours to fish 100 holes. Ok, so your fishing 2 holes at a time so its going to take between 4-5 hour to make your rounds and that's only if your spend around 5 minutes at each hole. 2. How do you brand each hole so that you can identify it 4-5 or 8-9 hours later?I fish the afternoons sometimes and if I see a hole that is starting to ice over which means that it hasn't been fish in awhile which I'm sure 50 of your holes probably look like that, I'm going to fish it as long as I keep my distance. When I leave a hole that I cut and move to another hole, that hole becomes fair game to whoever comes along after I have moved on.

If hes using a gas auger which im sure he is , it would take probably 15 seconds per hole not 5 mins ;)

[chuckwagon157]

I've got an idea that will solve all of your problems. Drill all of your holes. Then set up you portable (preferably a camo ground blind). Then bring all of your gear into the portable. Bring your rods in last. Have them in a big, black plastic rifle case. then just sit in your portable peering out the windows. no one will come within 500 yards of ya!

[fbuckner]

Heck if you bore 50-100 holes Im just going to cast from shore there cant be to much water left after that. Im kidding just kidding I wont fish another guys holes but if he sunk a bunch of holes 50 -100 yards away i can hardly see how you can claim them you can only have so many lines in the water at a time.

[bucknduck]

I think you misread my post, I asked how long does he fish each hole. I've fished the bay and inland lakes and I've never seen anyone punch more than maybe a dozen holes at any given time and normaly half those will be occupied with tipups and jgging rods right away. I don't see anything wrong with punching 100 holes if that's you game, just don't see it happening or a need to where I fish. Don't get me wrong, I punch my own holes and if I see a hole that has skim ice and is near where I plan to fish and nobody is near it, I may open it back up and fish it. I'm not going to walk up near someone and stat fishing near them, that's just rude. If hes using a gas auger which im sure he is , it would take probably 15 seconds per hole not 5 mins ;)

[Quack Wacker]

50 -100 holes, what do you do take steroids and listen to heavy metal to get yourself pumped up for that workout?

one word........dedication:yikes:

[Still Wait'n]

I know exactly what your saying Disel. Although I dont drill that many holes in my area maybe 6 or 8 lol. Drill your own d.amn holes.:)

[wally-eye]

On the ice I usually do the same as summer fishing. If I see someone catch fish I get my boat so close to that boat that I need bumpers between us....:evilsmile


Not really but I "try" to allow some distance between anglers. As for holes on the ice.....I've always been "IF" there is a hole in the ice and its over 30 foot away from the nearest angler then its available............

[wartfroggy]

When I am gill fishing in shallow, epecially if there are already a bunch of holes cut, it actually kinda ticks me off when someone drops in close and starts punching new holes when there are already holes to fish. Seems to shut the fish off for a bit. Not always, but when the bite is already slow. Why make more noise when there is already holes to fish. Just another way to look at it, besides thinking everyone is lazy

[naterade]

Please post a picture of your 100 hole pattern. My friends won't believe me if I just tell tham :)

[William H Bonney]

,,,,,,, Maybe I should start paying kids $.50 per hole from now on and kicking back and relaxing until my holes are all drilled and ready to fish. LOL!!!!

:16suspect

:idea:

Ahhh, nevermind, no sense de-railing another thread...

[XXXdisel77]

50 -100 holes, what do you do take steroids and listen to heavy metal to get yourself pumped up for that workout?

one word........dedication:yikes:

LMAO!!! I know the rest of the guys out there think that I must have drank 10 pots of coffee or something. I don't us a gas auger, actually I use an 8" Mora. You talk about some sore arms and shoulders when I'm done.

As far as how long I fish a hole, just depends on the fish and how long they stay. Like I said I fish in 30' and the fish are on the move constantly, so it's either keep with them and get a limit, or stay in the same spot and catch 5 all day. Yes, they will eventually come back through that hole, but why wait when you could be icing gills all day? To me ice fishing with my Vex is like playing a video game and I like to keep it interesting.

Still Wait'n I like your attitude!

Chuckwagon157, that's a dam good idea. LOL!!! I bet no one would even think of coming close to me then.

ih772, I like that term "welfare" fisherman, I am going to have to use that the next time I'm out.

basskiller46 man you had me rolling with the set thing. Talking about being wore out and arms falling off, I go to the gym at night and my partner asks why the heck are you tired you didn't work all day you just had fun fishing. LOL if he only knew! I told him I would get him out there and let him drill all of my holes one day and see how he felt when he went to the gym that night. I have a feeling he would never ask why would I be so tired again.

[BeWild]

If you drill 100 holes I don't think it is reasonable to be able to claim them all and expect people not to fish in them. Maybe drill less holes closer to you and you won't feel invaded. By the way, what do you mean by "a vacant hole that is being used"?

[wartfroggy]

Wow....
So with this math thing, if you hand auger 100 holes, I'll give you 2 minutes to cut a hole and move to the next one, which I would say is pretty quick, and you haven't even scooped it out yet! So that is the first 3.5 hours of your day before you even fish! I would rather go to my favorite little spot, cut 3 or 4 holes, and have my limit of good gills in about an hour or two. But I guess I am lazy.

[FishDaddy09]

I believe that this sword cuts both ways. If I cut 10 holes I would like to fish them myself, but if the fish are spooky (as they often are) I would rather share the holes then have someone start drilling more holes and killing off a good bite. As for those guys who come out with only their rod the best revenge is always to out fish them. Send 'em home grumbling.

[ehansen300]

A thread was started earlier talking about asking someone to drill holes for you if you don't have an auger. I have no problem helping a guy out especially during these harsh economic times when some can't afford the supplies to fish, but I was wondering if any of you guys feel the way I do about people drilling their own holes while ice fishing. It really gets under my skin when I drill 50-100 holes and everyone uses them without lifting a finger to help drill a few theirselves. They just come right out and see all of the holes and sit down and start fishing. I will be quick to let them know that I'm whipped from drilling all of those holes and how I think it would be decent of them to punch a few for all of us to fish out of too. I know some like to just sit down and stay in one spot the whole time they are out, but I'm a hole hopping bluegill hunting son of a gun and need plenty of holes. I tell them I have no problem with guys fishing any of my holes as long as they drill a few as well. In your opinions, do you think I am being a jerk, or do you feel that I have a valid point that everyone should contribute? Don't get me wrong, I feel that everyone should enjoy their time out on the ice and I help people anytime I can. I tell them where the fish are biting, what I'm using, the presentation that I use, etc. I just feel what's right is right!
Hey im lookin for a guy who wants to spend all his time whackin holes and not fishing. that would save me alot of time with my spud that thing is heavy! after your done whackin all those holes wanna clean my fish for me? ill even let you cook them if your not too tired from all that hole whackin. I dont think ive ever whacked even 40 holes in a day not to say hole hoppin isnt a good idea i usually whack two holes for my shanty and a couple for me and my buddys tip ups and set up shop. its alot of work pullin that shanty all over the ice whackin holes. really cuts into my drinking time!!

[outdoor_m_i_k_e]

when we drill our holes we usually fire up the ol power auger and drill 6-8 holes in a small area that we know we will be fishing and then I jump on the quad and my buddy on the back with the power auger. . you can drill tip-up holes real fast like that! i drive, stop, he drills the hole and we move on. . dont even have to get off the quad! :):)

[XXXdisel77]

If you drill 100 holes I don't think it is reasonable to be able to claim them all and expect people not to fish in them. Maybe drill less holes closer to you and you won't feel invaded. By the way, what do you mean by "a vacant hole that is being used"?

Yeah a vacant hole can't be in use I understand that. I just mean it's obvious to see that I was the one drilling all of the holes and that I am hole hopping (fishing each hole). If I could find a spot where I only had to drill a few holes and limit out I would, that's a frigging no brainer. Like I said I fish a 30' flat that has no cover to hold the fish, so the fish roam all day. I guess I need to invest in some real weeds to keep the fish in my hole all day long.

Wartfroggy if it took me 2 minutes to drill a hole I would not even be out ice fishing. It only takes a few seconds for crying out loud. Man you must be drilling with a kitchen spoon or something if it takes you that long to drill one hole.

[Scott K]

I just mean it's obvious to see that I was the one drilling all of the holes and that I am hole hopping (fishing each hole).
If I walk out there and see you fishing a spot, I don't see how it would be obvious that you are hole hopping and if I didn't see you put auger the holes I don't see how it is obvious that you dug them. Not trying to be a wise guy here, but I don't think you are looking at it from the standpoint of someone who has just arrived on the ice.

[naterade]

Man! I keep trying to get away from this thread and I keep getting sucked back in :)

For the love of god, if you are fishing on a lake that is flat bottomed, 30 feet deep, and no cover, why wouldn't you just go find a different lake instead of drilling 100 holes!?

I asked once and I'll ask again, send me a picture of the 100 hole setup or better yet, have someone take a video of one of these outings and post it on YouTube.

I promise it will be one of the most viewed ice fishing videos in YouTube guarunteed. I'd love to see this drilling of 100 holes before fishing, I'd watch that video over and over and still laugh after the umpteentg view.

A few seconds to drill each hole? Are you only ice fishing on ice between 2" and 4" thick? Seriously, I'll buy you a case of beer if you post a video of hand punching 100 holes and then fishing them. Wait until mid -February though. :lol:



Yeah a vacant hole can't be in use I understand that. I just mean it's obvious to see that I was the one drilling all of the holes and that I am hole hopping (fishing each hole). If I could find a spot where I only had to drill a few holes and limit out I would, that's a frigging no brainer. Like I said I fish a 30' flat that has no cover to hold the fish, so the fish roam all day. I guess I need to invest in some real weeds to keep the fish in my hole all day long.

Wartfroggy if it took me 2 minutes to drill a hole I would not even be out ice fishing. It only takes a few seconds for crying out loud. Man you must be drilling with a kitchen spoon or something if it takes you that long to drill one hole.

[basskiller46]

basskiller46 man you had me rolling with the set thing. Talking about being wore out and arms falling off, I go to the gym at night and my partner asks why the heck are you tired you didn't work all day you just had fun fishing. LOL if he only knew! I told him I would get him out there and let him drill all of my holes one day and see how he felt when he went to the gym that night. I have a feeling he would never ask why would I be so tired again.

That or he would never want to go fishing with you again:lol:

[DaveW731]

A few seconds to drill each hole? Are you only ice fishing on ice between 2" and 4" thick? Seriously, I'll buy you a case of beer if you post a video of hand punching 100 holes and then fishing them. Wait until mid -February though. :lol:

100 holes with an 8" Mora (blue, right?) Auger??? I don't care if it IS 3" of ice. I'll pitch in for a second case and the pretzels to go with it!
Seriously though, regardless of the number of holes, if I am in a pattern of moving from hole to hole in a specific area and someone else comes along, I'll let him know what I am doing. Always been able to work something out. Often results in the other guy offering to cut a few more holes on his own.

[GOTONE]

If it is not too close to someone and it is not being fished it is fair game

[STEINFISHSKI]

100 holes means 100 friends who don't bring augers...:lol:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg)

[wally-eye]

100 holes means 100 friends who don't bring augers...:lol:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg)





Tim, that kind of reminds me of a local walleye lake that we fish at about midnight....:rant:

And that lake shore lake is vedy vedy close to being ready........like in a day or two if we don't get dumped on toooo bad tonight......



Dan

[XXXdisel77]

A few seconds to drill each hole? Are you only ice fishing on ice between 2" and 4" thick? Seriously, I'll buy you a case of beer if you post a video of hand punching 100 holes and then fishing them. Wait until mid -February though. :lol:

Yes, I am talking early ice, not in mid February. Although even when there is 12" of ice I will still put in at least 25-50, but not all at once like I do when the ice is thin. I am not the type to go off yelling at people or anything, but I do let them know they need to punch a few holes themselves and explain how to catch the fish on this certain lake. My reason for fishing the lake is the size of the gills I catch there every year. When you can consistently take home limits of gills with none under the 8 1/2" mark I would say you are doing pretty dam good and it's worth all of the work. Now I know 8 1/2" isn't a monster gill by any means, but that would be the smallest I would keep on this particular lake.

I do agree it would be impossible for anyone walking out on the ice to know that I drilled all of the holes as not many guys are as nuts as me to drill that many, but that is why I let them know it when they just plop down and start fishing. I bet this thread makes me look like a real jerk, but if any of you were to meet me out fishing I would have to say you would not get that impression at all. The net makes things seem different than they really are.

STEINFISHSKI , where the heck was that picture taken? I have never seen so many guys out on the ice at one time in my life. Not even close to that many! I can see how it would be difficult to understand my point of view if you guys are fishing lakes such as the one in Steins post.

[Scott K]

Nah, I don't think you sound like a jerk at all. You put a lot of work into it so I might do the same.

Now that we have this thread settled, tell me what your secret lake is. ;)PM if necessary. ;););)

[basskiller46]

100 holes means 100 friends who don't bring augers...:lol:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg)

Looks like they are either looking through there hole or had a little too much to drink:lol:

[XXXdisel77]

Looks like they are either looking through there hole or had a little too much to drink:lol:

LMFAO:lol:!!!

[chuckwagon157]

100 holes means 100 friends who don't bring augers...:lol:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01TifSyfAU09M/610x.jpg)

"I think I found my keys, Larry"

[papermouth]

"If i'm here and your here don't it make them our ice holes" Jeff spicoli

[wetline005]

I think everyone is taking XXXdisel77 the wrong way. I think he makes a good point. There are people who go ice fishing to relax and get away from the wife. There are those who are serious about ice fishing and are there to take a limit of nice fish. When i get to a spot i like, i start drilling holes, i mean 5 to 10 holes. I find weed lines and drill holes along the edges, or holes along a steep drop. After that i begin to fish, if the hole isn't poducing i move to the next. This way is very effective. It makes me mad as well when someone comes out and fishes in one of the holes i drilled in my pattern. Ok on the flip side, there is not much you can do about it. Lakes are public and so are the holes. If someone is outside there shanty and close by the hole just ask. By the way i never say a word to people when they fish my hole. Sometimes it's fun just to have another fisherman to shoot the sh_t with anyway. Good luck all.

[basskiller46]

"I think I found my keys, Larry"

:lol::lol:

Theres that ***** rod that fell off the boat in the summer.:lol:

[Frantz]

I will give a left hole a shot now and again. Sometimes you are just to tired, lazy, or otherwise unenthusiastic to drill a dozen or so yourself. Sometimes you just don't have the time, you are out on a break, or have to be home to get the kids, or whatever. Seems kind of a waste to let a perfectly good hole go to waste. I had a guy use a hole I sunk, and caught fish 5 minutes after I left it! We talked for about 30 minutes and he let me take his Vex over to my hole so I could check things out. Two days later, I bought my own.

I still can't catch fish, but I still use other peoples holes and let them use mine when I am done!

[outdoor_m_i_k_e]

I think everyone is taking XXXdisel77 the wrong way. I think he makes a good point. There are people who go ice fishing to relax and get away from the wife. There are those who are serious about ice fishing and are there to take a limit of nice fish. When i get to a spot i like, i start drilling holes, i mean 5 to 10 holes. I find weed lines and drill holes along the edges, or holes along a steep drop. After that i begin to fish, if the hole isn't poducing i move to the next. This way is very effective. It makes me mad as well when someone comes out and fishes in one of the holes i drilled in my pattern. Ok on the flip side, there is not much you can do about it. Lakes are public and so are the holes. If someone is outside there shanty and close by the hole just ask. By the way i never say a word to people when they fish my hole. Sometimes it's fun just to have another fisherman to shoot the sh_t with anyway. Good luck all.
Ok I have to say something about your post. . . Yes I agree some people are just lazy and dont want to drill holes and do the work to find fish. . but you are comparing 5-10 holes to 50-100. . and we have settled the fact there is no exaduration(sp?) in the matter he is really drilling 50-100 holes. . . now the point he makes for drilling this many is that he doesnt want to just move, and drill a hole or 2 and spook the fish. . if there are 50-100 holes why would you want to ask someone else to drill their own holes and possibly spook the fish rather than fish the 99 other holes that arent being fished?!. . there is a certain point of someone being lazy and using other holes, and there is a point as well that if there are 100 holes that why waste the time drilling new ones right next to them and take the chance to spook the fish?!. . . I dont think the author is a bad guy, at all. . i see where he is coming from putting in the hard work to drill the holes, but on the other hand, dont expect to drill THAT many holes and NOT have any one else use a few. . :)

[1mainiac]

I need to fish with XXX hell my arms kill me after a few holes severe tendenitous in both arms. Would love to find all them holes drilled. If he was close by I would probably ask but 100 holes gotta cover a pretty good chunk of water. Does he need to report with Miss Dig and have them mark the area first.

[ehansen300]

I see a lot of you think I use too many holes. I must say that where I fish it is 30' deep and the fish are constantly on the move. Most of the guys are happy to get 5-10 gills, and that's all they usually get sitting in their one hole. Don't get me wrong, on the right day you can get quite a few out of one hole, but usually on this lake you have to be very mobile to limit out day in and day out. I never said I claim all the holes on the lake, but why on earth would someone be so lazy that they can't drill a hole for crying out loud. I bet if you guys fished like I do you would see things in a whole different light. I asked the question just to see the percentage of people that felt it was right to mooch off of a fellow sportsmans hard work. To those of you that would at least drill a few holes before just throwing the auger down and jumping in vacant holes that were being used, KUDOS to you all!

By the way to those that don't agree with me I am in no way trying to start a big fight, just venting a little is all. Also, if it helps I fish in southern MI and there are not that many guys out on the lakes I fish. I could see on a lake up north where there are tons of guys that drilling that many holes in a hot spot and expecting people to stay clear of you would be a little unreasonable. We all have our different views on each subject and there is no reason to bicker when we don't agree with one another. All opinions are welcome and that is the reason I started this thread to get opinions. Thanks to all for sharing their opinions and good luck on the ice!
I agree some days you have to be mobile to catch your limit. Me and a buddy caught 45 keepers Tuesday in 6 hours out of the same 2 holes it was slow but every fish we caught was worth keeping. So you dont have to be a hole whore to catch fish.

[naterade]

I'm going to say it again but much more clearly this time as this thread has now gotten to 5 pages.

To be clear:

1. There is no way on God's green earth anyone needs to drill 100 holes before they target a bluegill.

2. There is no way I believe that someone is drilling 100 8 inch holes by hand and then fishing even one of them.

3. If XXX wants to prove me wrong, I am completely ready along with at least one other poster to supply a case of beer. Just post it on YouTube.

[MiketheElder]

I can see doing that many holes on a small inland lake that doesn't get much traffic. My son and his buddy will punch numerous holes up at my sister's in Lewiston. There is nobody else on the lake.

If you tried that on Lake St. Clair you'd have a bunch of guys standing around cheering you on. Then they'd all start fishing your holes.:lol: I've seen crowds almost that big on Lake St. Clair before.

[icefisher]

I just couldnt figure out how to drill and guard 100 holes.. its too complex for me.. So I got some expert advice.

I've consulted with physics professor Doctor I. M. Bulling of F.I.T (Fishing Institute of Technology)and he suggests the following 100 hole setup whereby you can keep an eye on all one hundred of them
at the same time and still be within "leave my holes alone" yelling distance to each one of them. Below are step by step instructions.

1. Imagine the ice as a giant clock face. Now walk in a big circle dragging your auger point behind you..
This will lay out your giant clock outline.

2. Go stand in the middle of the circle you just drew and make sure you
can see to the edge. (if you have to squint or use binoculors, its too big a circle)

3. Using your auger-scratch circle as a guide.. Drill your first hole at the 12 o'clock position.
Then 3 more holes at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock positions.

4. Now.. simply drill in all the other o'clocks and you will have your first 12 holes.
(Remember to drill on the line you scratched in the snow)

5. At this point drill a hole between the 1 and 2 o'clock position.. and the next between the 7 and 8 o'clock postions.
Work your way around the dial in a criss cross patteren (like when you change a tire) .

6. Continue to drill holes between the holes that you drilled between in the last step. Go clockwise this time, if
only to remind you that your doing a clock pattern of holes.

7. After the first 60 holes you will likely have not much room between holes anymore.
Thats okay.. keep jamming them in between each other
untill the final 40 are drilled. Some, most, or all of the holes will overlap.. this is normal.

8. By now you may have gathered somewhat of a crowd.. Fishermen are an outgoing and friendly bunch and will be cheering you on
and shouting praises about your drilling efforts.. such phrases as "Wow what an ice-hole" are commonly heard.
( You will also notice that all onlookers will be standing outside the perimeter of your now completed ice-hole circle... out of respect I suppose)

9. Congratulations! You have now perfected the 100 hole clockface setup! The only thing to do now is to stand in the exact center of your
"clock" and jump up and down repeatedly.. ya know, in victory!

***warning: When using this method, wear a life jacket and have 911 on speed dial on your cell phone.

[XXXdisel77]

I'm going to say it again but much more clearly this time as this thread has now gotten to 5 pages.

To be clear:

1. There is no way on God's green earth anyone needs to drill 100 holes before they target a bluegill.

2. There is no way I believe that someone is drilling 100 8 inch holes by hand and then fishing even one of them.

3. If XXX wants to prove me wrong, I am completely ready along with at least one other poster to supply a case of beer. Just post it on YouTube.

Dam, in your eyes I must be a supernatural being to be able to do what I say I do. I am not even going to waste anymore of my time on explaining to you my reasoning for fishing the way I do. All you have to do is come down to where I fish and see for yourself. All this talk about a case of beer, I will put a case of beer on the line that says you can't and won't outfish me on any of the lakes I fish period end of discussion. To me you sound like the guy that just sits on his computer watching youtube drinking a case of beer instead of getting your ass out on the ice and putting in a little work. Maybe the term "welfare" fisherman fits you well and you just came to that realization and now want to be a jerk by calling me a liar.

Sorry to all, but this guy rubbed me the wrong way. I can tolerate a lot, but blatantly calling me a liar on an open forum without even knowing me really pisses me off. I don't lie and challenge you to come fish with me and find out firsthand how truthful I really am. I warn you though after one day out with me you will be crawling back to your little hole with your tail between your legs drinking your case of beer and watching youtube for the rest of the evening.

[XXXdisel77]

Sorry Hamilton Reef for stealing your post, but this is what I have been getting at my entire post as to why I move constantly. I sure would have to say If Dave Genz agrees I must be doing something right. It's tough to argue with that point as Dave is one of the best ice fisherman period! Moving constantly would require tons of holes, so my 50-100 doesn't seem too bad now.

Ice fishing expert advises moving quickly, frequently

BROOKLYN, Mich. -- Many ice fishermen believe if they don't get bites quickly, it's time to move. Most define quickly as 15 minutes, 30 tops.
Dave Genz, one of the best ice anglers in America, has a different definition.

"One or 2 minutes is all the time we give them," he said. "Most people don't move enough. They sit in one spot. But in the daytime, fish usually aren't very active. You might be over a school of 10,000 bluegills, but only a few are going to bite."

http://www.freep.com/article/2008121...812180475/1058 (http://www.freep.com/article/20081218/SPORTS10/812180475/1058)

[naterade]

:lol: You will outfish me on any lake that requires 100 holes to be drilled before fishing because I will never fish on it. You started this whole thing off by calling people lazy and now "welfare" fisherman if they drop a line in one of your 100 holes.

So you're pissed I'm a skeptic, instead of getting all bent out of shape and dreaming up a bunch of crap about what a pathetic person I must be for it, let's see it. :rolleyes:


Dam, in your eyes I must be a supernatural being to be able to do what I say I do. I am not even going to waste anymore of my time on explaining to you my reasoning for fishing the way I do. All you have to do is come down to where I fish and see for yourself. All this talk about a case of beer, I will put a case of beer on the line that says you can't and won't outfish me on any of the lakes I fish period end of discussion. To me you sound like the guy that just sits on his computer watching youtube drinking a case of beer instead of getting your ass out on the ice and putting in a little work. Maybe the term "welfare" fisherman fits you well and you just came to that realization and now want to be a jerk by calling me a liar.

Sorry to all, but this guy rubbed me the wrong way. I can tolerate a lot, but blatantly calling me a liar on an open forum without even knowing me really pisses me off. I don't lie and challenge you to come fish with me and find out firsthand how truthful I really am. I warn you though after one day out with me you will be crawling back to your little hole with your tail between your legs drinking your case of beer and watching youtube for the rest of the evening.

[papermouth]

Mods must be out icefishing thought they would lock this by now!!!:lol::lol::lol:

[PITBULL]

After drilling 100 holes how can you remember where each one is?

[ehansen300]

I think I would buy someone a case of beer not to prove they could do it, but just to see them do it! Im not calling anyones way of fishing stupid how you do it is how you do it I understand, I would just want to see someone whack 100 holes and then even give a damn about fishing. I would be napping.....

[cobia302]

I have a 10 inch gas auger so I don't get tired;)

[PITBULL]

If theres a hole in the ice, how is someone suppose to know that you are coming back to fish in it. most fisherman would assume that whoever cut the hole had abandond it. You might want to leave a note in the snow marking your terroitory. like "Ill be back" wrote next to the holes. most try to be correct as far as not walking up 10' from someone fishing then pound a hole in the ice with a spud. Or if I found some one sitting in my shanty, (that has my name on it) That would irritate me a whole lot more than fishing in a hole that I drilled 100 yards away 2 hours ago. dont forget a pikespear outweighs a musslyarmed holedriller anytime.