Big trade!!

[fishinmachine2]

Pistons get Allen Iverson from Denver for Billups and Mcdice!!

Scott

[William H Bonney]

Way to go,, Dum-ars...:rolleyes:

[Nascar31Fan]

I don't see it anywhere. That would suck if it's true!

Found it:
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2008/11/pistons_to_trade_billups_mcdye.html

[jpollman]

I don't see it anywhere. That would suck if it's true!
I just heard it on WJR. They're waiting for final confirmation but it looks like it's true. :(:rant:

John

[William H Bonney]

I like Iverson, and don't really care for Billups or Dice,,, but this trade seems un-necessary at this time...

[KLR]

Watching it on SportsCenter now....sounds like a done deal

[Nascar31Fan]

I'm listening to it on 97.1 online, and I get the whole premise of the deal, but I've NEVER been an Iverson fan. I believe he is one of the most overrated players ever to play the game. But that's just me.

[Boardman Brookies]

I don't like this either....lets just hope he shows up for "practice."

[WMUAngler]

I like all three of them, and still I'm not sure how this trade helps the team. Dumars has done a good job in the past, so I'm going to withhold my judgement to see how they do.

[WILDCATWICK]

Free's up 35 million in cap space! That sounds like we will be a major player in the off-season! This team needed changes in order to continue to compete. For too long people have bitched that this team doesn't have a guy that they can lean on to put up big numbers in a playoff game. You just got one. This is about now and probably more about the future. Stuckey & Maxiel will get more time to prove themselves.

[silkystud21]

I really like Dice and Billups. You couldnt help but feel for Dice after seeing how devastated he was after losing to the Spurs. Billups is a class act and has been the face of the franchise the past few years. That said, it was time for a change (I am so SICK of that word). The team needed someone to give them a shot at getting over the top. The current team just wasnt cutting it. Ive never been a big Iverson supporter, but have always admired at how hard and fearless he plays.

Also, I've read that in order for the deal to be completed, the Nuggets had to agree to buy out McDyess's contract, thus allowing him to return to the Pistons after 30 days.

[QuakrTrakr]

I knew they were trying to move Billups, but I didn't know McDyss was on the block too! It'll be fun to watch!! I bet he'll play tonight.

[sweatyspartan]

Guess I'm in the minority, but I really like the trade for a couple reasons

1 - for the past couple years we've always complained we didn't have a guy that could drive to the basket and draw a foul ala Wade/James in the playoffs.

2 - Chauncey never shows up in the playoffs (since the championship) and doesn't seem to have the drive AI does.

3. YOu know AI is good for at least 25 and 5 with solid defense. Chauncey at his best will get you 15 and 7. People talk about AI just taking wild shots, but his FG% is better than Chaunceys!

4 - you're going to get Mcdyess back so its basically Chauncey for AI which is a no brainer

[Prime Time]

Good trade by Dumars. Iverson will fit in well here with the vets and young guys. We needed a guy like Iverson to shut down Rondo.

[old school]

All I an say is WOW!! Sheed/AI I know he can play ball, but I hope he fits better than I think!

[QuakrTrakr]

Who's the starting shooting guard now? AI or Hamilton? Or are they gonna use a 3 guard lineup?

[Baybum]

AI is the starting point guard! Rip is the best off the ball jump shooter in the league and AI is one of the best ball handlers....he can distribute just fine. But a 3 guard lineup with AI, Rip and Stuckey would be friggin sweet, imagine anyone trying to keep up or outlast those three guys at once.

I like this trade a lot, I was getting so sick of watching the offense in playoff games when none of those guys looked like they wanted the ball and no one would drive to the hoop and get fouls. Say goodbye to those long scoreless stretches.

Iverson is the toughest s.o.b. in the league and it will at least be fun watching him knock the crap out of himself for a season!!

Even if it doesn't work out Joe D will have $36 million in cap space next year and we just became players in the 2010 sweepstakes(Lebron,D-Wade)

Edited: It now looks like Denver is donna buy Dice out and he's coming right back to Motown!!

[QuakrTrakr]

Sounds like Dice might be back according to http://need4sheed.com/

[jacktownhooker]

WOWW !!! thats all i can say ! i loved BIGSHOT billups ! sounds like he is going home and ai is back to the east ! look for more change ? seeing as the cornerstone is gone !!! WOW !! cant miss tv tonight !!!

[Hoosier Daddy]

Smart move!!!!!!!

Good for now and great for the future. Billups was great for Detroit, but his time has passed in the D. Having cap space in 2010 will allow for variety of moves that if made well can allow this team to be a continued force in the league.

Joe D is the Man. Minus the Darko draft pick.

[Michihunter]

A bit of clarification. The $34.5 million is over 3 yrs. So it's more like $11.5 mil off the cap.

I personally think this is a bad trade. There's a reason AI can't last anywhere. He's cancer. And the Diceman was a GREAT role player and you can't place enough significance on that. Chauncey was a good captain that sacrificed his numbers for the good of the team and that's another thing that can't be ignored. I can only hope this move has the future in mind by making cap room as well as giving Joey D some trade bait for a future star..

[QuakrTrakr]

I personally think this is a bad trade. There's a reason AI can't last anywhere. He's cancer. .
Rasheed was considered a cancer too. We'll have to wait and so if it works.

[snakebit67]

as much as i like chauncy and dyse. I think its a good trade, Pistons were kind of stagnent past couple years. Just hope he keeps his tude in check.

[C.Smitty]

Great trade :coolgleam AI and Sheed on the same team. Talk about BAD BOYS. Now if we can get SHEED off the 3 point line and bang that baby down low maybe we will win more games this year.

[BackLash08]

screw dyess, look at the headline here at yahoo sports pages. cannot post the link just yet.gimme few minutes

[WILDCATWICK]

A bit of clarification. The $34.5 million is over 3 yrs. So it's more like $11.5 mil off the cap.

I personally think this is a bad trade. There's a reason AI can't last anywhere. He's cancer. And the Diceman was a GREAT role player and you can't place enough significance on that. Chauncey was a good captain that sacrificed his numbers for the good of the team and that's another thing that can't be ignored. I can only hope this move has the future in mind by making cap room as well as giving Joey D some trade bait for a future star..

I don't think he is a cancer any more. His coach and team mates had tears when asked how they feel about Iverson. I don't know why people think he's a cancer any more. He is a leader, a hard worker, and now shares the ball. He's not the same person he was in Philly.

[Michihunter]

I don't think he is a cancer any more. His coach and team mates had tears when asked how they feel about Iverson. I don't know why people think he's a cancer any more. He is a leader, a hard worker, and now shares the ball. He's not the same person he was in Philly.Then the obvious question would be- why get rid of him for someone that adds $12 mil a year to your cap for the next 3 yrs and is on the downward side of his career? Especially when Iverson could get you a lot better than Billups in return(ie: draft picks, or 'several longterm' contributors)?

[ahasiec]

A bit of clarification. The $34.5 million is over 3 yrs. So it's more like $11.5 mil off the cap.

I personally think this is a bad trade. There's a reason AI can't last anywhere. He's cancer. And the Diceman was a GREAT role player and you can't place enough significance on that. Chauncey was a good captain that sacrificed his numbers for the good of the team and that's another thing that can't be ignored. I can only hope this move has the future in mind by making cap room as well as giving Joey D some trade bait for a future star..

Negative Ghostrider....AI's contract for 21 Million comes off the books at the end of this season, furthermore so does Rasheed's big deal, the Pistons will have about 36-40 Million in cap relief in the 2010 Free Agent Market...you know maybe the best ever...

Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Carmelo, Nash, Nowitzki, Amare Stoudamire, etc.... Chris Bosh has alot of family in the area and it has been known that he like the Detroit area, not sure we can land Lebron but where else can he go and be surrounded by this type of talent, he has made it known he wants an NBA title....

The Pistons have put themselves in position to land 2 superstars, and lets not forget Stuckey, Tay, Rip, Maxiell, Amir are all locked into some nice contracts...

For anyone who believes this deal was for today, your half nuts, this is about the future and nothing else...However, I do believe the Pistons have not really lost much currently with this trade...McDyess will be back, so basically Billups for AI straight up....I will take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

[WILDCATWICK]

Then the obvious question would be- why get rid of him for someone that adds $12 mil a year to your cap for the next 3 yrs and is on the downward side of his career? Especially when Iverson could get you a lot better than Billups in return(ie: draft picks, or 'several longterm' contributors)?

They replace a player they were probably not going to be able to resign. So you get Billups which is a pretty good deal instead of getting nothing.

Trade is a win/win for everyone.

Great move by Dumars!

[ahasiec]

Inverson is only hear to clear 21 million off the books~

Chauncey's deal extended three more years, McDyess was getting 6-7 million and Samb another million....

[Joe Archer]

I like Billups, and really appreciate everything he did to bring a championship to Detroit. He will be missed. However, I think that AI will add the scoring punch needed in the playoffs, AND being a major player in next years free-agent market is gonna be fun. If we get Wade... not THAT would be to cool!
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[Michihunter]

Negative Ghostrider....AI's contract for 21 Million comes off the books at the end of this season, furthermore so does Rasheed's big deal, the Pistons will have about 36-40 Million in cap relief in the 2010 Free Agent Market...you know maybe the best ever...

Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Carmelo, Nash, Nowitzki, Amare Stoudamire, etc.... Chris Bosh has alot of family in the area and it has been known that he like the Detroit area, not sure we can land Lebron but where else can he go and be surrounded by this type of talent, he has made it known he wants an NBA title....

The Pistons have put themselves in position to land 2 superstars, and lets not forget Stuckey, Tay, Rip, Maxiell, Amir are all locked into some nice contracts...

For anyone who believes this deal was for today, your half nuts, this is about the future and nothing else...However, I do believe the Pistons have not really lost much currently with this trade...McDyess will be back, so basically Billups for AI straight up....I will take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Pistons are currently $13 mil OVER the cap, maybe more if any of Maxiells new contract counts against the cap. Drop Iverson and you only get + $9 million in cap space. Drop Sheed and you get another $13.5 or so.;) Stuckey will renegotiate next year when the club's option kicks in for 2010. And Maxiell just got a nice raise. And Hamilton got an extension worth $34 mil over 3 yrs. I'd say they'll have about $21-23 mill to work with.

[ahasiec]

Hmmm...Intereasting....Here's what I found

Other than Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell, no other Piston is currently signed through 2011 (though the franchise is likely to exercise its option on Rodney Stuckey’s rookie contract). That puts Detroit’s payroll at an estimated $19 million for the 2010-11 season

Add in another 10 Miliion for Rip...so your around 30 million....The Salry Cap in the NBA this season is 59 Million and is expected to increase into the low 60's by 2010...leaves you at about 30 million to play with and maybe pay some luxury tax to get 2 stars, I believe luxury tax is pad if the current payrolls are above 70 Million...now with all the hype and marketing surround 2 stars, luxury tax=NO PROBLEM!

How many teams can say the following to Mr. James or Mr. Wade...

Please pick one of the following~

Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire...

hmmm...thats right...nobody

You can tell the rest of the league knows whats coming...

So why Iverson over a possible package for Kidd? Several league executives know exactly why: The trade with Denver to make an unhappy Iverson happier just further imbeds the Detroit franchise deeper into James’ agent, Leon Rose, and advisor, William Wesley. Just as they represent James, they rep Iverson.


And as much as anyone, “World Wide” Wes is one of the most important voices in Lebron’s life. Wesley lives in Detroit, where one of Rose’s clients, Richard Hamilton, is a Pistons star. What’s more, Dumars is close to an agreement with Hamilton on a two-year extension that will keep him through 2012, sources say. This is a terrific show of faith for Hamilton, who is trying to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars that a business manager allegedly stole from him.


Wesley comes and goes at the Palace of Auburn Hills as he pleases, and few have such a window into the winning culture of the Pistons.


As one rival GM said Monday, “Damn it, I am afraid Joe has this whole thing wired. He’s got everything in place to pull this off.”

Here is a list of all the free agents~
Feast your eyes on this list of players who will be available. 2010 free agents include LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki and Michael Redd

[Michihunter]

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/Pistonssalary-1.jpg
This shows that the Pistons will have 9 players and around 37.5 in committed salaries next summer if Rip Hamilton does not opt out of his contract. That does not include Piston draft picks or the mandatory 11 slots that count against the cap. Which means that you would have to add another couple million+ to that figure which would bring it to around 40 million. So If Dumars let Allen Iverson walk after this season, renouncing his Bird Rights, along with Rasheed Wallace, the Pistons(depending on what the salary cap is set at next season) would have around 20 million dollars in cap space.

It should also be noted that a team cannot sign a UFA from another team for more than what's left under the cap per the CBA.

[QuakrTrakr]

I heard the press conference is today at 3:30. Is it on FSD?

[hunter62]

I always like Chauncey but his production dropped the last few years. Looks like a good trade if our end goal is to get Lebron.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-dumarslebron110308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[ahasiec]

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/Pistonssalary-1.jpg
This shows that the Pistons will have 9 players and around 37.5 in committed salaries next summer if Rip Hamilton does not opt out of his contract. That does not include Piston draft picks or the mandatory 11 slots that count against the cap. Which means that you would have to add another couple million+ to that figure which would bring it to around 40 million. So If Dumars let Allen Iverson walk after this season, renouncing his Bird Rights, along with Rasheed Wallace, the Pistons(depending on what the salary cap is set at next season) would have around 20 million dollars in cap space.

It should also be noted that a team cannot sign a UFA from another team for more than what's left under the cap per the CBA.

Asuuming they are already at 70 Million, figure they would spend at least that much...I also dont sww Tay's 11 million sticking around

[Michihunter]

Asuuming they are already at 70 Million, figure they would spend at least that much...I also dont sww Tay's 11 million sticking aroundAs I stated earlier:

It should also be noted that a team cannot sign a UFA from another team for more than what's left under the cap per the CBA.This does not affect the Pistons with this trade due to the Larry Bird rule (AI is already under contract).

Now consider that AI is getting approx $22 mil/yr as a 33 yr old point guard, what do you suppose Lebron will command? Do the Pistons have a chance? Sure. But big market teams have a better chance due to the way they can restructure the contracts to payout more after the first year(when it's allowable to do so) without any worries of luxury taxes being damaging to their finances. I personally doubt you'll ever see L James in a Pistons uni.;)

[William H Bonney]

Is everyone back from their vacation to FantasyLand yet??:rolleyes:

Lebron James is NOT coming here. D-Wade is NOT coming here. Bosh, maybe. Amare, maybe.

King James will play in Greece before he comes here.

[QuakrTrakr]

Is everyone back from their vacation to FantasyLand yet??:rolleyes:

Lebron James is NOT coming here. D-Wade is NOT coming here. Bosh, maybe. Amare, maybe.

King James will play in Greece before he comes here.

Where do you get your information? :confused:

[William H Bonney]

Where do you get your information? :confused:

Earth.

[QuakrTrakr]

Earth.

ok. :rolleyes:

[William H Bonney]

:lol: Seriously,,, think about it. Why would he come here? As opposed to Chicago, NY or LA,, even stay in Cleveland for that matter. Ya know,, one of his endorsement contracts actually doubles, if he signs in one of those first 3 places.. On top of all that,,, Davison is more likely to keel over from a heart-attack when he hears the number he'll have to pay him. By 2010,, he'll be getting A-Rod money.

[Can't Touch This]

Yeah, it sounds like Dyess is coming back. So this was AI straight up for Chauncey. Now, i, like most Piston fans, loved Chauncey. However, him for AI? Most Piston fans were looking for Joe D to get a go-to super star who can score anytime and put up 30-40 points on any given night, there aren't too many players better than Iverson at doing just that.

With that said, it's probably only for one season. They could potentially have enough money for Bron/Wade AND Bosh/Amare....really? If anyone doubted Joe D semi-evil genius before i don't think they are doubting it now, or will be after 2010. Now, the chances of them doing that are very slim, but, they will definitely have enough to snag one of those top knotch players a long with some solid players, to go along with Tay, Maxiell, and Stuckey. Bron, probably does want to play in one of the big markets i would think, like NY, maybe(i seriously doubt) Europe. However, i think he knows his best shot at not only one championship, but many will be with Detroit, so, we will have to see. I think Bosh is, far and away, the best shot at coming here.

Anyways, AI will at least bring much need electricity, can't wait to see the game tonight. I have a feeling him, Rip, and Stuckey will mesh quickly. AI before the trade, behind the Pistons and KG, was my favorite player. He is the toughest player in the league that plays with heart and gritty determination. He has had a troubled PAST, but, i think he is clearly over that. Bottom line, if you are a Piston fan and are not geeked about seeing AI playing in a Piston uniform, you should check your pulse...

[Can't Touch This]

:lol: Seriously,,, think about it. Why would he come here? As opposed to Chicago, NY or LA,, even stay in Cleveland for that matter. Ya know,, one of his endorsement contracts actually doubles, if he signs in one of those first 3 places.. On top of all that,,, Davison is more likely to keel over from a heart-attack when he hears the number he'll have to pay him. By 2010,, he'll be getting A-Rod money.


Yeah, i have a feeling Bron won't be heading here. We will have the money to pay him, i don't think that is the issue. Certainly one of the best players to ever play the game in his absolute prime...i don't think Bill will mind much offering him the max. But, like you said, in NY, La(very unlikely, Detroit is more likely), or Chi are much more likely. However, it all depends if he is after just rediculous, sick, unprecidented amounts of money or rings. Detroit should be the clear-cut place to go for rings, NY for money. We will have to see, i think the money he would make in NY(from everything, endorsements, salary, we are talking Billions) will be wayyy too tempting to turn down.

However, Wade has a decent shot. But, like i said in my previous post, i think Bosh would love nothing more than to play here. Stuckey/Rip/Tay/Bosh/Maxiell in 2010?

[William H Bonney]

Yeah, i have a feeling Bron won't be heading here. We will have the money to pay him, i don't think that is the issue. Certainly one of the best players to ever play the game in his absolute prime...i don't think Bill will mind much offering him the max. But, like you said, in NY, La(very unlikely, Detroit is more likely), or Chi are much more likely. However, it all depends if he is after just rediculous, sick, unprecidented amounts of money or rings. Detroit should be the clear-cut place to go for rings, NY for money. We will have to see, i think the money he would make in NY(from everything, endorsements, salary, we are talking Billions) will be wayyy too tempting to turn down.

However, Wade has a decent shot. But, like i said in my previous post, i think Bosh would love nothing more than to play here. Stuckey/Rip/Tay/Bosh/Maxiell in 2010?

But who's to say those guys will still be here?? All these "fans" think Dum-ars is going to add TWO superstars and keep somewhat of a surrounding cast???

Let's realistically put the "numbers" in perspective. First off,, all those guys are young(Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare) and are going to want relatively long term deals. Lebron's contract will be for over $200M,,, combo him up with any of the other three players and that would be realistically over $300M wrapped up in 2 players. Davison is NOT paying that, I garuantee it. I'm not sure Rip and Tay are up for "role players" salaries. :lol:

[BOEDY]

Theres a few of you on this thread that sound like you could work for the pistons,,,how the heck do you know all this crap???? I like the trade,,,sounds like AI is ready to "grow up",,,I hope so,,,we'll see...Havent looked forward to watching a pistons game as much as tonights in a while...

[Can't Touch This]

But who's to say those guys will still be here?? All these "fans" think Dum-ars is going to add TWO superstars and keep somewhat of a surrounding cast???

Let's realistically put the "numbers" in perspective. First off,, all those guys are young(Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare) and are going to want relatively long term deals. Lebron's contract will be for over $200M,,, combo him up with any of the other three players and that would be realistically over $300M wrapped up in 2 players. Davison is NOT paying that, I garuantee it. I'm not sure Rip and Tay are up for "role players" salaries. :lol:


Like i said, two of those players are very unlikely, but, it is possible if you really look at the numbers. One thing is for sure though, this move was done mainly to clear a huge amount of cap space for that epic free-agency, they will land at least one of those super-stars in their absolute primes...

[William H Bonney]

Like i said, two of those players are very unlikely, but, it is possible if you really look at the numbers. One thing is for sure though, this move was done mainly to clear a huge amount of cap space for that epic free-agency, they will land at least one of those super-stars in their absolute primes...

I think Bosh is the most likely canidate at this point. I heard on the radio today,, a scenario bringing Bosh and Boozer as a possibility. The other thing the Stone's have to worry about is making a run in the playoff's. If they get bounced in the 1st round or get swept in the second round or don't make a good showing,,, those free-agents might get second doubts about coming here..

[C.Smitty]

:yeahthat: you said it bro