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ICEGUY
10-13-2008, 08:49 AM
Learn something new everyday, thought I would pass it along.

Response (Lynne Thoma) - 10/10/2008 12:42 PM
Here are the answers to your questions:

1) Can you put a gobie back in the water dead or alive?
Yes...in fact you should not be in "possession" of live gobies. This is defined as having a live gobie(s) in a bucket, zip loc bag, live cage in the water, using a live gobie for bait, etc. If you hold a gobie in this way - longer than it takes to just take it off the hook and release it....it may be interpreted by a conservation officer as "possession of a live gobie" and you could be ticketed. Basically, we are trying to prevent gobies from being moved into inland lakes - so that is why no one should "possess" live gobies.

2) What do you do when you catch a gobie?
You have two choices: 1) you can kill it and then possess it (take it home for garden fertilizer, use it for bait, try filleting and eating it [we have actually had people ask if they can take them home for consumption], etc.)....OR 2) immediately release the gobie back to the lake.

3) Can you use dead or live gobies for bait?
See above.

4) Can you kill them and put in trash can, or feed to seagulls?
Technically, yes - but you may not "litter". This has been a problem in a few areas when anglers catch gobies and just throw them out on land where they die and decompose - causing bad smells and unsanitary conditions. You can kill them and dispose of them properly - bagged and in the garbage. Scattering them on the pier or beach for sea gulls is not advised - it creates an artificial feeding zone for gulls where they congregate in unnaturally high numbers. This is associated with high volumes of bird droppings and unconsumed fish - all making for unsanitary and smelly conditions - all of which could be regarded as offensive by shoreline communities. If you kill them, we suggest you bag them and either dispose of them in the garbage or use them as mentioned above.

5)Basically I thought when you catch a gobie, you cannot put back in the water dead or alive, and dispose of properly.
Steve - we have been made aware that there was at least one sign posted along the shore of Lake St. Clair which directed anglers not to return gobies to the lake. This sign actually had the letters "DNR" on it - but I assure you that this was NOT our sign - and it inferred an incorrect message. Gobies need to be handled as I've described above.

Steve - consider this - there are so many gobies (millions) in the Great Lakes that to kill a few really isn't accomplishing much at all. These fish will now be part of our fish population in the Great Lakes...forever. And, while we don't want either zebra mussels or gobies - there is a small silver lining to this rain cloud. Gobies eat zebra mussels - which is their natural food in their native waters (Black and Caspian Seas), and gobies have become prey for many of our native fish including perch, walleye, smallmouth bass, sturgeon, and others. So - the nutrients which zebra mussels consummed - get back in the food chain by gobies eating the mussels.




William H Bonney
10-13-2008, 08:55 AM
That's pretty much how I interpreted it from the get go.

Hotwired
10-13-2008, 08:59 AM
Great reading...thanks for posting.

rjt
10-13-2008, 09:06 AM
If anyone wants to catch a few for bait, they are everywhere. Go to the nearest pear with a small hook (I used a size 10 treble) and a tiny piece of worm. You can get yourself plenty of bait in an hour.

MUSHY1
10-13-2008, 09:19 AM
If anyone wants to catch a few for bait, they are everywhere. Go to the nearest pear with a small hook (I used a size 10 treble) and a tiny piece of worm. You can get yourself plenty of bait in an hour.

Was it a big PEAR, or a little PEAR????? U-PER'S :lol::lol:

Mushy

Slimshady
10-13-2008, 09:20 AM
If if is legal to catch a goby and return it live back into the lake, then why the heck isn't it legal to catch a few and use them for bait, as long as you are doing so in the same lake where you caught them?

I totally understand why it would be illegal to keep them for use in another lake. I also see why it would be illegal for bait shops to sell them (it would be too easy for people to use them in other lakes). However, there is absolutely zero logic behind a rule that makes it illegal for a fisherman to catch them in Lake St. Clair and then use them for bait a few minutes later.

Can someone explain that to me? I don't get it!!

MUSHY1
10-13-2008, 09:31 AM
However, there is absolutely zero logic behind a rule that makes it illegal for a fisherman to catch them in Lake St. Clair and then use them for bait a few minutes later.

Can someone explain that to me? I don't get it!!

Zero-Logic= DNR.......:dizzy:.....Ban baiting after 1 deer was found in a Hunting Ranch with CWD........Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Shall I go on......:rant:

Mushy

Slick fishing
10-13-2008, 10:17 AM
Zero-Logic= DNR.......:dizzy:.....Ban baiting after 1 deer was found in a Hunting Ranch with CWD........Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Shall I go on......:rant:

Mushy

:yeahthat::yeahthat:

Percha Man
10-13-2008, 12:31 PM
:DAgree on last 2 posts as well.... ;)

FishTales
10-13-2008, 12:48 PM
If if is legal to catch a goby and return it live back into the lake, then why the heck isn't it legal to catch a few and use them for bait, as long as you are doing so in the same lake where you caught them?

I totally understand why it would be illegal to keep them for use in another lake. I also see why it would be illegal for bait shops to sell them (it would be too easy for people to use them in other lakes). However, there is absolutely zero logic behind a rule that makes it illegal for a fisherman to catch them in Lake St. Clair and then use them for bait a few minutes later.

Can someone explain that to me? I don't get it!!

Slimshady,
Read the letter again.

1) Can you put a gobie back in the water dead or alive?
Yes...in fact you should not be in "possession" of live gobies. This is defined as having a live gobie(s) in a bucket, zip loc bag, live cage in the water, using a live gobie for bait, etc.


2) What do you do when you catch a gobie?
You have two choices: 1) you can kill it and then possess it (take it home for garden fertilizer, use it for bait, try filleting and eating it [we have actually had people ask if they can take them home for consumption], etc.)....OR 2) immediately release the gobie back to the lake.

3) Can you use dead or live gobies for bait?
See above.

WALLEYE MIKE
10-13-2008, 02:47 PM
If if is legal to catch a goby and return it live back into the lake, then why the heck isn't it legal to catch a few and use them for bait, as long as you are doing so in the same lake where you caught them?

I totally understand why it would be illegal to keep them for use in another lake. I also see why it would be illegal for bait shops to sell them (it would be too easy for people to use them in other lakes). However, there is absolutely zero logic behind a rule that makes it illegal for a fisherman to catch them in Lake St. Clair and then use them for bait a few minutes later.

Can someone explain that to me? I don't get it!!

Because if you have them in your possession, you then have the possibility to transport the elsewhere where they don't belong. The CO's cannot read your mind of your intentions. So to prevent that from happening, no gobies are to be possessed live.

If you want to use for bait, kill them and use them.

I kill them immediately either for bait or for the gulls.

Slimshady
10-13-2008, 03:51 PM
With all due respect, then ticket me when I do it, not when there is a possibility of me doing it.

When you purchase beer, you have the possibility of driving after drinking it. However, they don't make it illegal to purchase beer, they just arrest you if you are caught driving after drinking it...

Besides, they can't stop people from being stupid no matter what laws they put in place.

I don't really have a burning desire to use gobies for bait, I just hate laws that defy logic.

For example, you can't buy minnows on the US side of St. Clair (that were taken from Lake St. Clair) and use them on the Canadian side without risking a huge fine. Now unless there is a big brick wall down the center of the lake that I wasn't aware of, minnows that we use on the US side can swim over to the other side regardless of the laws that are put in place.

Once again, if we were to buy minnows in the US and use them on Lake Simcoe, that would be logical, however, for Lake St. Clair, it makes zero sense. Therefore, they need to adjust the law for inter-connecting waterways (like they did for the live fish transport law).

Stuff like that just gets my blood boiling, because it is so stupid, and so easy to fix.

Slimshady
10-13-2008, 03:57 PM
To solve the "what are my intentions?" question, just ticket people at the ramp. If I show up at the ramp with live gobies in a bucket, then I should be ticketed. If I dump them back into the lake, or kill them before leaving, then I should be fine.

That is my take on it.

The same could be done for the minnows. Ticket people at the boat ramps for inland lakes. For the inter-connected Great Lakes, they should sell bait on both sides of the lakes that are certified for use in the Great Lakes, then they could be used anywhere within the inter-connected system.

WALLEYE MIKE
10-13-2008, 07:13 PM
With all due respect, then ticket me when I do it, not when there is a possibility of me doing it.

When you purchase beer, you have the possibility of driving after drinking it. However, they don't make it illegal to purchase beer, they just arrest you if you are caught driving after drinking it...

Besides, they can't stop people from being stupid no matter what laws they put in place.

I don't really have a burning desire to use gobies for bait, I just hate laws that defy logic.

For example, you can't buy minnows on the US side of St. Clair (that were taken from Lake St. Clair) and use them on the Canadian side without risking a huge fine. Now unless there is a big brick wall down the center of the lake that I wasn't aware of, minnows that we use on the US side can swim over to the other side regardless of the laws that are put in place.

Once again, if we were to buy minnows in the US and use them on Lake Simcoe, that would be logical, however, for Lake St. Clair, it makes zero sense. Therefore, they need to adjust the law for inter-connecting waterways (like they did for the live fish transport law).

Stuff like that just gets my blood boiling, because it is so stupid, and so easy to fix.

I agree with your frustration. But is would be real difficult to make laws based on every conceivable situation. So sometimes the laws need to be made more general to cover the many senarios.

I totally agree with you on the minnow situation.