Proposed Ban on Wild Boar Ranches

[glguy]

Hi all,

Just thought I'd alert you to an attempt by some members of the House of Representatives to ban the hunting of wild boars (feral swine) on private game ranches. The bill HB 6339 was just posted for a hearing tomorrow morning (9-18-08) in the House Agriculture Committee.

[Reel_Screamer86]

And what will this prove...??

[King Quack]

Isn't that where the feral pigs the DNR is trying to kill came from?

[cad679]

With the current feral swine problem and the occurance of cwd being found on a farm (you can call it a hunting ranch if you must) in Michigan I think the time to stop this canned hunt crap is way over due.

Brett

[Mickey Finn]

With the current feral swine problem and the occurance of cwd being found on a farm (you can call it a hunting ranch if you must) in Michigan I think the time to stop this canned hunt crap is way over due. Brett

Understand your sentiment. But, some people make their living operating these places. And, so it seems, alot of people enjoy going there and shooting game.

As long as their property is properly fenced and they are accountable for their animals health as well as their were abouts ;). They should be allowed to run their busineses. Thats how I feel anyway.

[srconnell22]

With the current feral swine problem and the occurance of cwd being found on a farm (you can call it a hunting ranch if you must) in Michigan I think the time to stop this canned hunt crap is way over due.

Brett

Also make sure your info is correct before posting...the CWD wasn't found on a hunting ranch. It was a captive breeding facility. No hunting took place there.

[cad679]

My bad! The "captive breeding facility" that found the deer with CWD is not a "Hunting Ranch". What does a "captive breeding facility" do with the deer it breeds in captivity? Do they have "captive deer retirement communities"?

Brett

[King Quack]

What does a "captive breeding facility" do with the deer it breeds in captivity? Do they have "captive deer retirement communities"?

Brett

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Nope...They Send them to HUNTING RANCHES. You were right on with your statement.:p

[srconnell22]

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Nope...They Send them to HUNTING RANCHES. You were right on with your statement.:p

or...they also sell them to other breeders..., either the whole deer or semen, etc...there are some deer that sell for more than your house.

[swampbuck]

If that law passes the free ranging hog population will increase drastically.

[UNREEL]

If that law passes the free ranging hog population will increase drastically.

How??

Why??

Free ranging has nothing to do with a fenced in hunting ranch.

Those guys keep pretty good tabs on their money, seldom do those pigs escape, nor will they be set free.

[Kelly Johnson]

How??

Why??

Free ranging has nothing to do with a fenced in hunting ranch.

Those guys keep pretty good tabs on their money, seldom do those pigs escape, nor will they be set free.
Not so sure about that.

[swampbuck]

Those fenced in hogs also breed like rats. After all the years that there were game ranches and no free range hogs, suddenly in the last 2 years nearly every county in the state has them. The escapes suddenly took a huge increase, I DOUBT THAT ALL WERE ACCIDENTS.

If they ban hog hunts, those cages will be overan in a couple years.What do you thing will be done with them.

Could there have been some regulation or testing changes around that time. Maybe the psuedo rabies virus or something. I am not saying that everyone in the industry does it, not even most. But I wasnt born yesterday, And I am familiar with a couple in our general area. The were a lot of coinsidenses AROUND THAT TIME.

[srconnell22]

If they ban hog hunts, those cages will be overan in a couple years.What do you thing will be done with them.

They would be "depopulated," I'm sure.

[Frantz]

Myself, I would never ranch hunt, mostly due to the economics of it all, cost per pound for the meat when it is done, that and I could care less about all the trophy hype, just does not hold my interest.

I think however that shutting them down is not the right idea. They need to do more to hold them accountable. Heavier and stiffer fines for accidental, or intentional release of animals. Double, maybe even triple the fines associated with it and have more accountability and you will see less problems.

[kristie]

How??

Why??

Free ranging has nothing to do with a fenced in hunting ranch.

Those guys keep pretty good tabs on their money, seldom do those pigs escape, nor will they be set free.

Really now????

:16suspect

[Wildwood_Deckers]

Over the years there have been a number of intentional releases by game ranches.... as well as escapes, which i'm not sure how much experience any of you have with hogs, domestic or wild, but they can tell when fences are electric and when they are not, and if the fence is shorted out for some reason, (perhaps dirt on it from rooting) they can and will slip right under woven wire fence like nothing.... they are dozers on hooves.... I'm sure the biggest reason for the ban is because of Psudorabies, which many may not know, this disease is transmitable to dogs, and other livestock, however, they don't live long enough to pass it on....

Clyde

[Groundsize]

I think they should close all fenced hunting or breeding game ranches, and or farms or what ever you call them. It's bad for our state I believe. In my opinion they are inhumane.

Paul

[Fox]

So far based on the reasons people have stated here we really should shut down pretty much all live stock operations, right? After all look at the diseases among live stock: BSE, hoof and mouth, mad cow, brucellosis, blue tongue.....; not to mention domestic hogs that escape and turn feral very readily. Oh and humane aspect of it.
Seriously, these places are businesses just like any other live stock business.

[madmike22]

I have been on a ranch hunt for hogs near allegan and also on the other side of the state near jackson. Both were alot of fun and neither one very expensive. It was almost the same price as buying a whole hog and getting it butchered. The one near allegan is still there i believe but the one near jackson is no longer in business. They had alot of pigs. They were over run with them on large parts of the ranch. The rancher couldnt control them and couldnt get enough people to hunt them. He had said that a large amount of them would find away to get out every year. Nothing he could do about it. They would root around and dig around the fences. They would repair them fill the holes with loose concrete. And a week or two later there would be more.

[2Lunger]

I believe the source of the TB outbreak was a game ranch, now CWD, what's next. Our natural recources are too important to let this go unchecked any longer. I think that they should be banned altogether. Importing exotic species into Michigan is a bad idea. If you want to hunt an animal that is not native to this state then go to where they are. Free range hunts are the only way to go. We are already going to have a hog problem, there is no way to stop them now. What's next?

[SevenMaryThree]

Ban husbandry and agriculture. It's cruel, damages the landscape, is not cost effective, and above all else I don't agree with it. :rolleyes:

[Socks]

I actually like game ranches and wouldn't want them shut down. I have a bird dog and it's a great way to get some training in and get them introduced to birds. The other stuff? Well it's not really my thing, but if someone else wants to do it more power to them.

Also, where does it stop? Once, they ban this type of hunting do you think the anti's will not see this as a great oportunity? This so reminds me of the dove hunting it's just friggin rediculous. Just pointing something out the way I see it.

[Fox]

Socks,
excellent point bringing up the dove issue! The more anti's can divide the hunters the easier it is to instill their wishes.

[predatordave]

what! groundsize you need to think about that. dont give the antis any ideas. do you think hunting food plots is INHUMANE?
who ever said that feral pigs are even exotic. a lot of the hogs in the hog ranches are just domestic pigs gone feral. not all are russians and if anything the domestic pigs gone feral are bigger and badder.

later, dave

[Sargeyork]

Great Idea.