Who knows the answer?????

[BigCTD]

Ok so i have been lurking on this site for a VERY long time and finally created a name a while ago and started posting a little here and there....

I am a former MOD on a few forum's, frequent a LOT of forums, and I whole heartedly think and believe that you can learn a lot from forums but here is my question -

its seems like out of all the forums i frequent a sportsman site would be the least "bitchyness" but yet every single post i read you people start an argument about the smallest of questions. Why is this???? I hate to be a controversial person but I’d rather be hated for who i am then to be liked for who im not so can someone please tell me why a site with a bunch of grown ass men and woman whine and cry more then any other site that i belong to????? I know for a fact that a few of you on here are full of knowledge and I like to think that I am too but I don’t post half the time cause I don’t wont some "know it all" trying to tell me im wrong as soon as i post up - do any of you feel the same way?

[PaleRider]

Ok so i have been lurking on this site for a VERY long time and finally created a name a while ago and started posting a little here and there....

I am a former MOD on a few forum's, frequent a LOT of forums, and I whole heartedly think and believe that you can learn a lot from forums but here is my question -

its seems like out of all the forums i frequent a sportsman site would be the least "bitchyness" but yet every single post i read you people start an argument about the smallest of questions. Why is this???? I hate to be a controversial person but I’d rather be hated for who i am then to be liked for who im not so can someone please tell me why a site with a bunch of grown ass men and woman whine and cry more then any other site that i belong to????? I know for a fact that a few of you on here are full of knowledge and I like to think that I am too but I don’t post half the time cause I don’t wont some "know it all" trying to tell me im wrong as soon as i post up - do any of you feel the same way?



Who's whining now:yikes: No I don't feel the same way just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean they're whinning.

[CHASINEYES]

Maybe because we as ''individuals'' have different thoughts,views,feelings and opinions on subject matter. Nothing wrong with healthy discussion or whining.:rant:;)

[Falk]

It seems as though that is just the way it is around here.

[laterilus]

Like sands through the hour glass......

[lumpy]

because I am ALWAYS right!!!:lol:

seriously, it comes down to ego , and the inherent ability of some people to to always be confrontational. Couple that with the ability to just type in your size of cahounies rather than a face to face discussion. Bottom line it is easy to be whoever or whatever you want to be on the net without proving your worth.
Also I have found in my years of typing in e-mails and message board one cannot put and sense of there emotion or body language to dive home how they really mean what they are saying.
some people cannot agree to disagree. Always finding myself just saying let it go man.

[wally-eye]

Actually we're all rats in this maze called M-S.com and can't find the way out......which means sometimes someone gets nipped in the scramble...:lol::evil:

[eddiejohn4]

Hey who just nipped me?:)

[CHASINEYES]

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/help_.jpg

[wally-eye]

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/help_.jpg



Those are too cute for some of the nipping thats been going on around here......:lol:

I was thinking more like an oversized Willard........:lol::evil: seems like that some days......

[eddiejohn4]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Chuck]

I dont usualy post on these kinds of threads but,

It is like this every year leading up to deer season. We get out of our minds waiting and getting ready to go hunting.

It will all be better when we see that first trailcam pic of hard horn, that first pic of a dead doe and then the first pic of a buck. Then the we all seem to simmer down a bit.

Then after season it all starts up again slowly building until the next season.

It has been this way for the 8 years I have been here. :)

[michigandeerslayer]

Well I was talking with Jesse Jackson and he told me its ok to speak my mind, and If my feeling get hurt he would fight for me:evil:

joking, its just a ruff time right now for alot of people and they vent and some people take it the wrong way

[BigCTD]

Who's whining now:yikes: No I don't feel the same way just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean they're whinning.

Im not whinning simple asking a question but a lot of the "legit" responses i received (NOT YOURS/\ /\ /\ /\) have made me look at it from a different point of view so thanks everyone....

I just think is funny as hell when one guys asks a legit question and 2 people are only sharing there difference of opinion (;)) but it literally turns into an "online" argument. I personally can sit at my computer and laugh at that stuff that goes on most of the times. Anyway Thanks everyone and ill be sure to post that first pic of a buck this year for ya - jk

[Pinefarm]

Probably because Michigan has a long tradition and still allows many controversial practices that other states have already addressed.

For example, one buck per year or one buck per season isn't an issue in every other midwest state, since none allow 2 bucks to be killed in any one season. We still do.

Baiting is illegal in 23 whitetail states I believe, Here I think over 50% of hunters use it, but biologists pretty much all say it's not a good practice in today's deer world. That's a big topic.

Most states have a firearms opener that's later in the rut. Michigan established our opener in the 1930's (I believe) as a way to kill mostly bucks, since an early rut and killing bucks was seen as a way to grow and protect the herd back then, yet allow sport hunting. We no longer want to grow the herds. Other states that founded seasons later picked later dates.

We have the LP and UP. The UP is snowed in and the deer leave for the yards when the rut is still on in the SLP. Split season dates and different rules, instead of blanket rules for such differeing area's for the UP and LP are a hot topic.

Many Michigan hunters have a long tradition of any buck is still usually better than a doe. To many, passing bucks is something they have no interest in. The issue is, it causes skewed sex ratio's and few mature bucks. The discussions of passing young bucks gets hot.

We have TB. We now have CWD, at least one captive case.

We have 3 distinct area's, the UP, NLP and SLP and they carry their own traditions and styles, yet we mostly have blanket statewide rules.

There's 650,000 of us.

There's a few reasons for hot debate! ;)

[MarkSend]

Back when MI. was a one buck state. Tagged your buck and then wait for next year. Big whine then was I shot my buck at 7:00 am first morning and I can`t hunt til next year. Mi also was a non baiting state before bow hunting became all the rage. So when you wish for chance don`t whine when it doesn`t work the way you thought it would.

[north_of_mackinaw]

It is like this every year leading up to deer season. We get out of our minds waiting and getting ready to go hunting.

It will all be better when we see that first trailcam pic of hard horn, that first pic of a dead doe and then the first pic of a buck. Then the we all seem to simmer down a bit.

Then after season it all starts up again slowly building until the next season.

(tried to quote origanal poster here, didn't do so good)

Good Lord Man! I believe you have just diagnosed what it is! PDSS Pre Deer Season Syndrome! Some cases are more severe than others but it seems almost everyone is affected by this. We need to alert the drug companies!:lol:

[Pinefarm]

I was just reminded that for generations, when many hear "deer season", they think "deer camp". Camp is great, camp is fun. The jokes, the poker games, the beer, the chili, the snoring, the campfire, seeing family and friends. Etc.

But many now focus on the hunt itself and not camp.

As society changes, so does the makeup of the human social aspects of hunting. Getting 6-10 guys together for a week of deer camp is now almost impossible. Most of my hunting is now done mid-week, for just one day, either alone or with 1 or maybe 2 other guys max.

For me, I find much greater enjoyment in my solo bowhunts or hunts with just one other friend. Since some 50% of Michigan deer hunters only hunt the first 3 days of firearms season, they equate deer hunting and deer camp as equal. But now, as society changes, many deer hunters do not.

This can be a big cause of friction. Many don't want big rule changes because they don't see the need. Why, they ask? Why screw with tradition? Some others, who hunt mid-week for single days, either alone or with only one other person and go home afterwards to their wife and kids ask "why don't we change the rules so the actual "hunt" is better, with more mature bucks, more intense rut", etc?

I'd personally like different rules to enhance my hunt, since my only "camps" are a few days in early November for a "bow camp" with 5 other guys and the same on Nov. 14-16 for rifle opener.

All my other hunting is either alone or with one buddy and I go back home after the hunt, where my wife and kids are not "deer camp". :lol:

This causes lots of heat.

[xdetroitx]

I was just reminded that for generations, when many hear "deer season", they think "deer camp". Camp is great, camp is fun. The jokes, the poker games, the beer, the chili, the snoring, the campfire, seeing family and friends. Etc.

But many now focus on the hunt itself and not camp.

As society changes, so does the makeup of the human social aspects of hunting. Getting 6-10 guys together for a week of deer camp is now almost impossible. Most of my hunting is now done mid-week, for just one day, either alone or with 1 or maybe 2 other guys max.

For me, I find much greater enjoyment in my solo bowhunts or hunts with just one other friend. Since some 50% of Michigan deer hunters only hunt the first 3 days of firearms season, they equate deer hunting and deer camp as equal. But now, as society changes, many deer hunters do not.

This can be a big cause of friction. Many don't want big rule changes because they don't see the need. Why, they ask? Why screw with tradition? Some others, who hunt mid-week for single days, either alone or with only one other person and go home afterwards to their wife and kids ask "why don't we change the rules so the actual "hunt" is better, with more mature bucks, more intense rut", etc?

I'd personally like different rules to enhance my hunt, since my only "camps" are a few days in early November for a "bow camp" with 5 other guys and the same on Nov. 14-16 for rifle opener.

All my other hunting is either alone or with one buddy and I go back home after the hunt, where my wife and kids are not "deer camp". :lol:

This causes lots of heat.
I think you said it best, there are two different kinds of hunters. There are your hardcore addicts that spend every moment they can find in the woods. They would love to see some changes made. Then there are the guys that take Nov. 14 to the 20th off every year and go to deer camp. They are not concerned with anything other than killing a deer and having fun. There is of course everything in between, but most lean to one side or the other. My dad was always the latter group. He saved all year for one week of hunting, a food plot was not an option, nor was scouting since we hunted four hours from home and trips up north could only be afforded once a year. He used a 30/30 lever action, and found his spot to hunt on the 14th, or used the one from the year before. Baiting was not allowed for rifle season when he hunted, but you can bet he would have used it if he could.

Today you have many more people who have made hunting a life style. I am one of these people. I live to hunt and would love to see some changes to better that experience. The area I hunt has so many does, the bucks barely have to move during the rut. Not to mention a list of other issues in the area. But, I am not one to discount anyone that hunts a different way.

Deer hunting is the hunting of deer with legal means. If it's legal to hunt from your truck, the it is hunting. If its over a bait pile and it is legal, then it is hunting. If it's with using dogs, and it is legal, then it is hunting. I will never call anyone less of a hunter because they hunt a different way. But, too many people get rapped up in their way is the only way.

[Fulldrw]

If the mods allow it there is nothing to do. Unfortunately. I particularly cant stand it when a person asks a question, and the answer is "just come to my shop! I have the part!" without giving advice even! Seems like a conflict of interest to me.

[Pinefarm]

Fulldraw, often a shop is also a site sponsor/advertiser. They can certainly do that.

Xdet, I'm like you. When I'm hanging stands and scouting twice a week in April, May and June, deer "camp" is nowhere in my mind.

[.480]

" When I'm hanging stands and scouting twice a week in April, May and June, deer "camp" is nowhere in my mind."
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WOW

I am sorry for you.

I am a part of a deer camp that was built in 1951.
I will be hunting with guys from 82 years old to 39.
Eight different guys but all with the LOVE of deer camp.
We try to get to camp every weekend throughout the year.

We all think of deer camp every day.

So to me the guys that taught me to hunt, (My Dad and uncles) are far more important to me.

Than the "change all of the rules" to make bigger deer for me to shoot crowd.

[Pinefarm]

I'm part of a deer camp from the 1950's also. In fact, I own it. But, only for about 5 days of the 3 month season does "camp" exist. All other days I'm either alone on a weekday or with one friend. Since my hunting grounds are close to home, I go home after my hunt and hang with my wife and girls. There's something explaining your hunt to a room full of girls watching American Idol that isn't too "deer campy". :lol:

When I do all my intense pre-season scouting and stand hanging, I know that 90% of the time I'm not heading back to "camp" after the hunt, but home.
So no, old memories of deer camps past are not my focus. I'm focused on the present and the future.

Add to that, the old guard of our deer camp is now 100% gone. My dad was the last and he died in July. My uncles, granddad's, and their old friends are all gone. My deer camp, for a few brief days a year, is now all of my contemporaries that I talk to everyday.

When I'm huning alone, if I'm going to deal with the whole process after the shot, I want it to be worth the extra effort and time needed. I can kill a spike whenever I please. I could probably kill 20 yearling bucks a year if the law allowed. A yearling buck to me is the same as a button buck.
Last season I passed on a decent 8pt only because of the aftershot time needed. It was towards dark, but I knew my wife had to fly out of town for work early the next morning. I passed that buck mainly because I was alone and the gut and drag would have taken too long. If I was at "camp" with 5 other guys, an arrow would have went into that buck. If it was a big mature buck, I'd have made the time.

I've shot more than enough deer that I can make those choices.
I'm sorry for you that you don't appreciate any of that.

In the future, look for less and less hunting to involve the old tradtional camp setting. Look for more deer hunters to hunt alone or in 1's and 2's, when their schedules permit.

BTW, here's the prime example of why some look down on others that don't hold "deer camp" as untouchable. I love deer camp too. Who doesn't? I just don't want rules tailored to a shrinking phenomenon and fading memories. 90% of my hunts, and ny buddies hunts, have nothing to do with the traditional idea of deer camp, other than we meet at the cabin and get ready there for our hunt for an hour, then hit the woods. Only to meet at the cabin after dark and then head home after telling our hunt re-cap because tomorrow is a work day.

[swampbuck]

Our camp is set miles from the nearest road, from the end of sept until new years. It is occupied probably 10-12 days. and used as a base camp/warming shelter to recover or prepare for a long cold boat ride the rest of the time. camp is considered in nearly all deer hunting conversations.

Also the nearest bait is about the same distance as the nearest road 3-4 miles by water.:D hopefully the nearest bait will be 105 miles this year, thats 100 to the bridge and 5 accross.:D

[Pinefarm]

If anything, this thread perfectly illustrates all the different attitudes in this state, thus the reasons "why", that was asked by the thread starter.