no more baiting ban?

[bowtech12]

I just got back from gander mountain in utica,and was talking to one of the archery guys and he was saying that they are being told that the MDNR might lift the ban on sept 9. the state is having a meeting. anyone else here this. i will try to find more out tonight when i go to work. hopefully i will see a CO tonight..

[marty]

Personally I wouldn't doubt it for a second:D

[duckhunter382]

mlive is reporting that none of the other deer have been positive so I would only imagine that would be the case.

[Tom Morang]

Rumors:lol:

[soggybtmboys]

I think the meeting is open to the public on Sept 9th with the committee, but the NRC meeting where any lifting of the ban will probably happen on Sept 11th, public is able to attend and voice opinons there too.

[Big_Jim]

Rumors:lol:

Wishful Thinking

[MuskyDan]

I would hate to be a person against the baiting ban at that NRC meeting!! Even worse, I would hate to be a person against baiting on this website if the ban is lifted!! Lot of people gonna have their mouth's full of foot!!

[dsconnell]

I just confirmed with one of the ranches that had one of the other deer that were yet to be tested that indeed those animals have been harvested sent in tested and have been found to be negative of CWD. This is what they were waiting to confirm..

It will be interesting and I actually do think the ban will be lifted as well.. IMO..

[bigbucknutz]

Was in our local bait shop last night and the owner told me the same thing.Big meeting on the ninth.If the ban gets lifted this site is gonna get UGLY!Just when things started to calm down too.

[michigandeerslayer]

hopefully, I have a 10 ton truck filled with carrots and beats and no where to dump it:evil::lol:

[Pinefarm]

I'm gonna put a high fence! LOL
If they bring bait back, after the known rule that was in place for years, I'd look for some MDNR resignations out of protest. These biologists will never get jobs elsewhere if they stand by and watch, only to see another case show up in wild deer.
The only exception to resigning if they bring bait back for 3 months, would be if a permanent statewide ban was first announced for starting Jan. 1, 2009.
I wonder if some biologists aren't already thinking about their future long term employment plans if baiting returns to the LP?
Realizing a sinking ship causes people to quietly start making new plans behind the scenes.

[Pinefarm]

Then allow it only in the SLP. We don't need the NLP flooded with all the baiting hunters when the population problem is in the SLP.
Does the Rep. understand that? The devils advocate could only advocate that. Why draw 50% of the hunters from where 85% of the problem is located?

[Falk]

Bard, It really isnt that hard to do. Plus it is a lot cheaper and much more rewarding when you score on one without using bait. Good luck.

[bowtech12]

hello my fellow hunters, i just got off work and was able to talk to a CO tonight and he told me that there is a meeting next week and that they are being told that the baiting ban will more than likely be lifted for this season. they will then look at it again for next season after they test some deer from this season's harvest.

[hntr4life]

wow... i'm so glad to say that i'm a PROUD CITIZEN OF MICHIGAN.... WTH!!!!??? ya lets ban baiting after CWD spreads... being proactive costs too much money i guess...

[eddiejohn4]

That is what I thought would happen if no more cases were found. thanks for the update.

[bowtech12]

we will see if it happens or not thats just what the CO. told me tonight.

[eddiejohn4]

4life, there has been one case in an enclosed area. how does this correlate yet to CWD being rampant among the wild cervids?

[funlund]

the ticket isn't really that big so i was going to bait any ways.

[jstfish48162]

Bard, It really isnt that hard to do. Plus it is a lot cheaper and much more rewarding when you score on one without using bait. Good luck.

and also alot less work not worrying about hauling bait in to different stand locations.

find travel routes to and from bedding/feeding areas(other than your bait sites). just don't bump deer out of their bedrooms....they don't like that:rant:

hunt field edges and determine where deer are entering the fields, and try to move in on them. set up inside the woods about 50 to 75 yards, they are not at "full alert" then, compared to when they get ready to enter the fields. also, from past experiences, older bucks tend to hang out in those areas until last light;).

get deeper into the woods and find some well used trails to set up on. i have been hunting deep woods for the past 9 years and have killed most of my deer between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. while others are back at camp:D

just a few suggestions to try....with or without the bait ban.

good luck.....:fish:

[bigcountrysg]

Ok you know I can aggree with the reimbursement of lost income. As that is similar to a farmer who lost part of his crop due to natural causes.

I can even understand wanting to modify the bait ban so not all of the lower pennisula is affected.

[uptracker]

the ticket isn't really that big so i was going to bait any ways.

:rant::rant::rant:

On another note, get ready for an all out baiting ban in the future. The newer guys in the DNR on many wildlife comitees are from other States that do not allow baiting. These people are also from pro-QDM States.

If you listen to these guys, they want baiting gone, wolves controlled and QDM. WOOHOO!:D

I think it's all a scandal to see how far they can take it at the present to allow for a little push/shove in the future. Get ready is all I have to say.

[MuskyDan]

Then allow it only in the SLP. We don't need the NLP flooded with all the baiting hunters when the population problem is in the SLP.
Does the Rep. understand that? The devils advocate could only advocate that. Why draw 50% of the hunters from where 85% of the problem is located?

are you serious? Is there even any state land in the SLP? Where do you expect the hunters in the SLP to set up a blind if the land owners and the farmers will not let them hunt?

[Pinefarm]

New from Ronco, other secret inside info Bowtech12 has on the inside scoop from a field officer...

"this whole thing has gotten way out of hand. does anybody really think that this is the first case of this. the bottom line is this i was talking to a conservation officer about this and he told me that if the state was getting a percentage of every sale of bait that there would never be a ban in this state. plain and simple. he also said watch the number of license sold to juniors plummet now."
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2253464#post2253464


"my fellow hunters i just talked to a conservation officer and he told me that they are being told that the baiting ban is not permanent by any means. it will stand for this hunting season only so far. if they find a wild deer that has it then they will in all likely hood put a permanent ban on it starting next year. this officer also said that if they put a total ban on it in the future you better believe that food plots will be included in the ban. thats what there being told.the officer said so all you food plot hunters get your ROUNDUP READY."
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248441

:lol: Bowtech, you must have cooked in the Navy. You sure stir a big pot. :lol:

[Pinefarm]

What does stateland have to do with allowing bait in the area that needs the most deer killed? Some 80% plus of deer hunters are private land hunters anyways. And that's higher in the SLP.
There is no major deer population problem in the non-TB NLP. There is one in the SLP. If baiting is such an effective tool to kill deer in an area yet to have TB or CWD spread, use it where more effective.

Is this proposed reinstatement about hunters having a good time and not adapting or is it about trying to kill deer but also ending the practice of baiting that is possibly the least needed but brings the highest risk?
I seems like hunters are still mainly interested in "their hunt".

[skulldugary]

Well,with this years bait crops almost ready to be harvested,contracts signed and so many businesses depending on the income,it would'nt surprize me that they bring back baiting for this year since none of the other deer from that farm tested possitive.As far as next year,if none are found to have CWD in the wild herd......who knows.

[GIDEON]

I would imagine that if the baiting ban is lifted, the next logical move would be to have a cash or credit price. After all this seems to be the buisnesses operate these days

[swoosh]

What does stateland have to do with allowing bait in the area that needs the most deer killed? Some 80% plus of deer hunters are private land hunters anyways. And that's higher in the SLP.
There is no major deer population problem in the non-TB NLP. There is one in the SLP. If baiting is such an effective tool to kill deer in an area yet to have TB or CWD spread, use it where more effective.

Is this proposed reinstatement about hunters having a good time and not adapting or is it about trying to kill deer but also ending the practice of baiting that is possibly the least needed but brings the highest risk?
I seems like hunters are still mainly interested in "their hunt".

No, not in this fine state:lol:

[marty]

A baiting ban looks good on paper that's about it. We've had a ban in the TB zone for years yet baiting still goes on. A fellow told me he hunted state land
(DMU 452) a couple years back and the bait piles were everywhere:evilsmile

.Later when he left then found out he was hunting over bait and never even hauled any in.:yikes:

Knowing the pressure the DNR is getting over this IMHO I think they will fold like a house of cards and allow baiting anyway.........just my 2:D

[Gulbrandsen]

:rant::rant::rant:

On another note, get ready for an all out baiting ban in the future. The newer guys in the DNR on many wildlife comitees are from other States that do not allow baiting. These people are also from pro-QDM States.

If you listen to these guys, they want baiting gone, wolves controlled and QDM. WOOHOO!:D

I think it's all a scandal to see how far they can take it at the present to allow for a little push/shove in the future. Get ready is all I have to say.

Is the QDMA against baiting ?

[Greenbay]

I do not know how to bow hunt any other way but with bait.
Started with my Dad and Grandpa when I was 14 and have been baiting for 36 years know.
Sense my Grandpa passed away, and my uncle sold grandpas farm, I've been out on state land that is surrounded on three sides by private land with food plots and some of them dump tons of bait. I do not have the option of having private hunting property.
I don’t hunt with bait during firearm season, deer are moved pretty good for those 15 days.
But bow season, up close. Well, I need to learn how not to use bait, but not in the eleventh hour.
I would like to still hunt over bait this year.
This is only my wife’s 8th season, and she doesn’t understand that you don’t need bait, and I'm not sure how to teach her, mainly because I'm not sure how to do it.
I have a twelve year old starting this season, and if I can’t set him up so he can see some deer, not so sure he will stay interested and want to do this with us.
Let me get them through this season, and I'll teach my self to do without so I can teach them.





Being a little sarcastic, are we?????

[Pinefarm]

If they reistate baiting in the NLP, they should also do so in the TB zone and also lift any 2 gallon limits. It should go back to bait by the truckload and dumptruck load and allow it year round. Gotta think about everything else first before the natural resources.

[michigandeerslayer]

I just want to try using a acorn rage screw-in lick. they look so cool and last 5 weeks

[uptracker]

Is the QDMA against baiting ?

I don't know if they even have a stance on the issue actually...good question.

Fill out your profile Gulbrandsen...I think I may know who you are, but not sure...others would like to know a bit about you too.

[soggybtmboys]

I don't know if they even have a stance on the issue actually...good question.

Fill out your profile Gulbrandsen...I think I may know who you are, but not sure...others would like to know a bit about you too.


I have not heard an official postion, however, by what you hear from them...they are very against it. They love their bait plots.

[U of M Fan]

I do not know how to bow hunt any other way but with bait.
Started with my Dad and Grandpa when I was 14 and have been baiting for 36 years know.
Sense my Grandpa passed away, and my uncle sold grandpas farm, I've been out on state land that is surrounded on three sides by private land with food plots and some of them dump tons of bait. I do not have the option of having private hunting property.
I don’t hunt with bait during firearm season, deer are moved pretty good for those 15 days.
But bow season, up close. Well, I need to learn how not to use bait, but not in the eleventh hour.
I would like to still hunt over bait this year.
This is only my wife’s 8th season, and she doesn’t understand that you don’t need bait, and I'm not sure how to teach her, mainly because I'm not sure how to do it.
I have a twelve year old starting this season, and if I can’t set him up so he can see some deer, not so sure he will stay interested and want to do this with us.
Let me get them through this season, and I'll teach my self to do without so I can teach them.

You got to be kidding me, right????

[smoothz1977]

I already heard about the ban being lifted about a week ago. Friend of a friend of a dad's step-mom's friends friend.:dizzy:

[tjstebb]

I'm gonna put a high fence! LOL
If they bring bait back, after the known rule that was in place for years, I'd look for some MDNR resignations out of protest. These biologists will never get jobs elsewhere if they stand by and watch, only to see another case show up in wild deer.
The only exception to resigning if they bring bait back for 3 months, would be if a permanent statewide ban was first announced for starting Jan. 1, 2009.
I wonder if some biologists aren't already thinking about their future long term employment plans if baiting returns to the LP?
Realizing a sinking ship causes people to quietly start making new plans behind the scenes.
I did'nt know in this "known rule " that it said anything about a PERMANENT ban....
TJ

[soggybtmboys]

If they reistate baiting in the NLP, they should also do so in the TB zone and also lift any 2 gallon limits. It should go back to bait by the truckload and dumptruck load and allow it year round. Gotta think about everything else first before the natural resources.

Why lift it in the TB Zone, the TB is there and it is proven that baitpiles help spread it. The DNR sent out a letter last year directing food plot guys not to plant root type crops in food plots in the TB Zone, and all I heard was basically 'screw you, I'll do what I want'. Forgive my if I cannot find any sympathy for the anitbaiting/profood plot crowd, because of attitudes like this.

They found one isolated case of CWD, in a CAPTIVE cervid herd....not in free ranging whitetails.

You are comparing apples to oranges here Bob.

I support the baiting ban, but I do believe it was a knee jerk reaction.

[GIDEON]

What baffles me is the need for food plots, and baiting in general, (for any species). I hunt in states where baiting is illeagle across the board, Mich. excluded. There seems to be a lot less hassle, and a better quality of hunting. So I guess my question would be what is the need of baiting, and food plots. Just for the record I think both should be banned.

[CHASINEYES]

They found one isolated case of CWD, in a CAPTIVE cervid herd....not in free ranging whitetails.

lets hope it stays that way. How many free ranging deer have been tested? If cwd can stay in soil for many years, whats going to keep more cases from popping up.

[soggybtmboys]

lets hope it stays that way. How many free ranging deer have been tested? If cwd can stay in soil for many years, whats going to keep more cases from popping up.


Tighter restrictions on the very loosely run Deer farms, deers breeders, and High fence operations.

[STEELCHASER5150]

They are all Idiots, keep the ban in place and close all the the deer farms and make it illegal to have,raise, and import captive deer to the state!!!

[CHASINEYES]

They are all Idiots, keep the ban in place and close all the the deer farms and make it illegal to have,raise, and import captive deer to the state!!!

Best one I,ve heard yet. We know that cwd originated from captive deer in every state that has the problem, so why in h$ll do we allow captive deer?:dizzy::dizzy::dizzy::dizzy: People just playing around with pets is going to be the cause of disease in OUR wild deer.:confused:

[old school]

Talked to a CO today at Woods & Waters, he said for the entire season. He also said that he doesn't know anything about food plots being banned in the future, said he doesn't see why they would be! I asked about the deer in kent, and he said they don't know anything about the deer taken for testing yet.

[bucko12pt]

I talked to a CO at the NW QDMA dinner last night and he knew nothing of lifting of the ban either. He said there will be "zero tolerance" on baiters per Lansing instructions. Fine can be anything up to $ 25K and will be a misdemeanor.

The RAP line might be burning up this year with baiting calls.:)

[ishot3bucks]

I talked to a CO at the NW QDMA dinner last night and he knew nothing of lifting of the ban either. He said there will be "zero tolerance" on baiters per Lansing instructions. Fine can be anything up to $ 25K and will be a misdemeanor.

The RAP line might be burning up this year with baiting calls.:)


25k??? come on....maybe if you include the car you drove there with??

[bucko12pt]

25k??? come on....maybe if you include the car you drove there with??

Just telling you what he said. Believe whatever you want.

Maybe if a few guys get burned with a big fine, everyone else will start taking it seriously. If you are going to bait, be aware of the consequences. :tsk:

Personally, I'll call the RAP line every chance I get and hopefully everyone else will also.:evil:

[outdoor_m_i_k_e]

i dont really care whether they reinstate it or not and I tell ya one thing. . Until the DNR comes out and says that they have raised the ban on baiting and it is NOW allowed, Im not going to believe anything. . they can have as many "meetings" as they want but until something actually happens, its rumors!! :)

[MarkSend]

Would think that 25 k would put it in the felony class. Always thought that a year in jail and a 1,000 fine was the max for a misdameaner.

[xdetroitx]

Would think that 25 k would put it in the felony class. Always thought that a year in jail and a 1,000 fine was the max for a misdameaner.
Your are correct in the amount of jail time, but a fine can be as high as the law sets it, even if it is not a felony.

[Greenbay]

they are all idiots, keep the ban in place and close all the the deer farms and make it illegal to have,raise, and import captive deer to the state!!!


awesome post/comment!!!!!!!!

[marty]

I talked to a CO at the NW QDMA dinner last night and he knew nothing of lifting of the ban either. He said there will be "zero tolerance" on baiters per Lansing instructions. Fine can be anything up to $ 25K and will be a misdemeanor.

The RAP line might be burning up this year with baiting calls.:)

heck in that case let's make the second time caught a public stoning:lol:

maybe the third we can do a hanging:yikes:

better yet come and bait in the TB zone it's a lot cheaper. My neighbor been tag a couple times I think about 150$ bucks last time:lol:

[tommy-n]

Late last week there was a press release as to all the other deer in the pen where tested negative. The article went on to say the quarantee would probally be lifted. What seems strange is if it's lifted and the deer farms are back to business as usual but the ban on baiting stays in place?

[DoubleDropTineTrouble]

Late last week there was a press release as to all the other deer in the pen where tested negative. The article went on to say the quarantee would probally be lifted. What seems strange is if it's lifted and the deer farms are back to business as usual but the ban on baiting stays in place?


Sounds like some fishy politicin' going on here...

[STEELCHASER5150]

Maybe 25k. fine would do the trick, if enforced strictly, and it should be a felony ( further deterent if caught) although it probably isn't, i don't know, but it should be!!!

[jstfish48162]

Personally, I'll call the RAP line every chance I get and hopefully everyone else will also.:evil:


i second that......follow the rules and all will be fine.:)

[rmw]

Maybe 25k. fine would do the trick, if enforced strictly, and it should be a felony ( further deterent if caught) although it probably isn't, i don't know, but it should be!!!

25k and a felony for putting out a bag of corn ? I read some where that the average term served for murder in the US is about 8yrs . This crime has almost no possibility of causing a human physical harm , if this is a felony Troopers should stop speeders and beat them and ship drunk drivers to the gulag . I think stiffer fines/community service are needed in the TB zone where I hunt but we have to be realistic about the level of this

[ishot3bucks]

25k??? maybe if they charge per kernel of corn :lol:

[buckchaser]

michigan dnr webpage says fines for baiting are 50 to 500 dollars and a possible 90 days in jail. That is there official answer to frequently asked questions on baiting.

[codybear]

It doesnt matter if they lift the ban, still no baiting allowed up here.. We havent been allowed to bait for about 10 years and you should see all the monster bucks running around now :lol:

CB

[ishot3bucks]

It doesnt matter if they lift the ban, still no baiting allowed up here.. We havent been allowed to bait for about 10 years and you should see all the monster bucks running around now :lol:

CB

That's Funny!!! :lol:

[ishot3bucks]

michigan dnr webpage says fines for baiting are 50 to 500 dollars and a possible 90 days in jail. That is there official answer to frequently asked questions on baiting.


That's all I have read...but the 25k, jail time, loss of job and removal of first born is on the table...:lol:

[plugger]

I hope if we find cwd in wild deer we step up vs using the threat to push our own agendas. I am not going out and work up my food plots and I dont think many will. I hope we dont see a push to eliminte every deer in my area. I reallize by limiting my harvest, improving habitat, and limiting access that I maybe part of a coming problem. It would be sad day if we find cwd and we have to make some real hard decisions. If push comes to shove how many people will really step up?

[swampbuck]

I hope if we find cwd in wild deer we step up vs using the threat to push our own agendas. I am not going out and work up my food plots and I dont think many will. I hope we dont see a push to eliminte every deer in my area. I reallize by limiting my harvest, improving habitat, and limiting access that I maybe part of a coming problem. It would be sad day if we find cwd and we have to make some real hard decisions. If push comes to shove how many people will really step up?

very upstanding opinion. I appreciate your concern for the deer herd.

[thunder river outfitters]

i would have to say if they DONT lift the ban this state will have a huge deer herd for 2009. i would have to say most deer are taken over bait, mostly the does. this is gunna send everything into a tail spin. lol...should be fun see how many deer we have next year.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[STEELCHASER5150]

25k and a felony for putting out a bag of corn ? I read some where that the average term served for murder in the US is about 8yrs . This crime has almost no possibility of causing a human physical harm , if this is a felony Troopers should stop speeders and beat them and ship drunk drivers to the gulag . I think stiffer fines/community service are needed in the TB zone where I hunt but we have to be realistic about the level of this
Yea, It would be stiff and an outragious penalty,,,and would also never happen,but one could only hope to see it a BIT stiffer than it is,so a person would choose to follow the law.And as far as beating speeders,well i would leave that to the discretion of the trooper, 8yrs for murder,(ridiculous) would only imagine that to be the drunk drivers who kill,who should be shipped off to THE GULAG !

[ducwackor]

It never fails to amaze me just how stupid we as hunters can be here in Michigan.

When (i say never) will we learn as a group, not to fight with eachother over different, legal hunting methods.

Bait hunters vs non bait hunters
Crossbow vs non Crossbow hunters
Traditional vs Modern Archery
Archery vs Firearms

You get my point.

Wasn't it just a few years ago, here in one of the Greatest States in America, with such a strong hunting tradition, we lost the ability to hunt Mourning Doves........ why....... cause we as hunters would not support the choice to allow it when the issue was put up for a vote.

We need to fight together or we will surely FALL APART.

[ishot3bucks]

It never fails to amaze me just how stupid we as hunters can be here in Michigan.

When (i say never) will we learn as a group, not to fight with eachother over different, legal hunting methods.

Bait hunters vs non bait hunters
Crossbow vs non Crossbow hunters
Traditional vs Modern Archery
Archery vs Firearms

You get my point.

Wasn't it just a few years ago, here in one of the Greatest States in America, with such a strong hunting tradition, we lost the ability to hunt Mourning Doves........ why....... cause we as hunters would not support the choice to allow it when the issue was put up for a vote.

We need to fight together or we will surely FALL APART.

It is a ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME mindset. That's the way society is today and it will only get worse!!!:(

[bentduck]

I heard on the radio today that the state is possibly going to alter the baiting ban, whatever that means.

I would look for the ban to continue within all the counties bordering Kent County and the ban lifted everywhere else. Just my opinion.

[CHASINEYES]

OH BOY!! I hope not more of the same old - same old:(