Angle Compensation

[1siena]

I just got pretty good range finder, however, it does not have the new "angle compenstion" that the newer finders have. How much will that affect my distance when I use my range finder in the tree? For example, if I scope a deer from my treestand and it says it is 25 yards away, is there an easy way to determine the actual distance?

[Ack]

This may help you a little......

http://forums.mathewsinc.com/viewtopic.php?t=94027

[Kelly Johnson]

I usually range trees at he same level as my stand pre hunt.;)

[wolverines]

I usually range trees at he same level as my stand pre hunt.;)



Exactly what I was going to suggest...I've been trying to explain this to people since those finders came out, but the ads are so convincing that everyone thinks they have to have ARC:dizzy:

[jjc155]

I usually range trees at he same level as my stand pre hunt.;)

exactly what I do.

J-

[1siena]

I am new to this range finding thing....if I find the distance a tree at the same level of my stand, is that the distance I should use when Iput my pin on a deer?

Thanks.

[GuT_PiLe]

I just got pretty good range finder, however, it does not have the new "angle compenstion" that the newer finders have. How much will that affect my distance when I use my range finder in the tree? For example, if I scope a deer from my treestand and it says it is 25 yards away, is there an easy way to determine the actual distance?

If your shot it 25yds away, your shot from the treestand will be a whopping 25.78 or so yards...a 10 yard shot, your looking at 12yrds. (same pin, specially with todays high speed bows)
The farther the shot, the less it matters.


Never had a need for the fancy gadgetry.

before the season starts
i place my target out random distance.
i break out the ladder, get on my roof, and take a couple shots.
Done...thats all the angle copensation you need ;)

[GVDocHoliday]

If your shot it 25yds away, your shot from the treestand will be a whopping 25.78 or so yards...a 10 yard shot, your looking at 12yrds. (same pin, specially with todays high speed bows)
The farther the shot, the less it matters.


Never had a need for the fancy gadgetry.

before the season starts
i place my target out random distance.
i break out the ladder, get on my roof, and take a couple shots.
Done...thats all the angle copensation you need ;)


Thank you...I was just going to post the same thing, I'm glad I read the whole thread.

Basically, all the ARC does is do the A^2 + B^2 = C^2.

Probably the easiest trig formula.

The adds are so convincing that it's not even funny...but anything over 20yards from the base of the tree, and the actual compensation distance is less than one yard and it gets smaller the farther away the target.

However, if you're treestand is 100+ feet up in the tree, then the ARC might actually be beneficial.

[Skibum]

I usually range trees at he same level as my stand pre hunt.;)

Bingo.

[jdawg240]

Thank you...I was just going to post the same thing, I'm glad I read the whole thread.

Basically, all the ARC does is do the A^2 + B^2 = C^2.

Probably the easiest trig formula.

The adds are so convincing that it's not even funny...but anything over 20yards from the base of the tree, and the actual compensation distance is less than one yard and it gets smaller the farther away the target.

However, if you're treestand is 100+ feet up in the tree, then the ARC might actually be beneficial.



Well put:D

[EYESON]

What I cannot understand is it is a laser. So if I am up in the tree and measure out on a angle the straight line of the laser should give me the distance no matter what angle I am at. If you have scan mode go up in the tree and point the range finder straight head at another tree. Lets say it says 25 yards. While in scan mode slowly follow the tree trunk down. The number will increase. At least it does on my nikon pro-staff.

[Skibum]

What I cannot understand is it is a laser. So if I am up in the tree and measure out on a angle the straight line of the laser should give me the distance no matter what angle I am at. If you have scan mode go up in the tree and point the range finder straight head at another tree. Lets say it says 25 yards. While in scan mode slowly follow the tree trunk down. The number will increase. At least it does on my nikon pro-staff.

You are confusing horizontal distance with the angled distance. Visualize a triangle. You have a verticle axis, a horizontal axis, and the hypotenuse or angled distance. The actual distance to the deer is the hypotenuse distance. The distance over which gravity is acting on your arrow (or bullet) is only the horizontal distance. Normal rangefinders measure actual distance which is the hypotenuse if you are ranging the deer. This gives a shooter a distance which is greater than the horizontal distance over which gravity is acting which potentially will cause you to shoot high. The theory of the compensating range finders is that they take the angle into account and give the shooter the horizontal distance. The question mark is is the difference in distance enough to worry about at normal bow hunting ranges and stand heights. One thing to remember. The same holds true for uphill shots as for downward shots. In both cases the tendancy is to shoot high.

[TOW]

Unless you are 60 foot up in a tree or standing on top of a big ridge the difference is minimal..

Normal hunting of 20 to 25 foot up there MIGHT be a difference of one yard at 20 yards. Less than that the further out that the deer is. Rangefinders are plus or minus one yard in accuracy.

Which is better than most of us shoot.

[1siena]

Looks like I can't hunt....I had a hard time passing Geometry, Trig....basic math!

Just kidding. Thanks for the help. Sounds like in a stand 20ft in the air at 25 yards, I really don't have to worry about it.

[Michihunter]

Looks like I can't hunt....I had a hard time passing Geometry, Trig....basic math!

Just kidding. Thanks for the help. Sounds like in a stand 20ft in the air at 25 yards, I really don't have to worry about it.

Best way to convince yourself is to practice that shot. ;)

[GVDocHoliday]

Best way to convince yourself is to practice that shot. ;)

Exactly...the elevated shot to really practice though is 5-10 yards from the base of the tree...that's where you'll really see a change of impact.

[Michihunter]

Exactly...the elevated shot to really practice though is 5-10 yards from the base of the tree...that's where you'll really see a change of impact.Boy you ain't kidding. I normally wait til I have a better opportunity at 2 lungs . Sometimes it just isn't in the cards though and that short range shot is a tough one to gauge if you have no experience shooting it. .;)

[GVDocHoliday]

Boy you ain't kidding. I normally wait til I have a better opportunity at 2 lungs . Sometimes it just isn't in the cards though and that short range shot is a tough one to gauge if you have no experience shooting it. .;)

Heck it's hard enough to make that shot on the ground.

I haven't practiced the shot on the ground in a while but the last time, I think I had to use my 46 yard setting for the 5 yard shot.

[Michihunter]

Heck it's hard enough to make that shot on the ground.

I haven't practiced the shot on the ground in a while but the last time, I think I had to use my 46 yard setting for the 5 yard shot.
Sounds about right. I use my 50 yard pin at anything that range.

[Tom Morang]

What Kelly said.:)

[radiohead]

Just to be clear...are we saying if I measure the distance from the base of tree my stand is in to a certain point down on the ground, and it measure 30 yards (tape measured). If my stand is 20-25ft up the tree, I will be fine using my 30 yard shot right?

[Michihunter]

Just to be clear...are we saying if I measure the distance from the base of tree my stand is in to a certain point down on the ground, and it measure 30 yards (tape measured). If my stand is 20-25ft up the tree, I will be fine using my 30 yard shot right?That is correct. Horizontal distance is what matters.;)

[TOW]

Just to be clear...are we saying if I measure the distance from the base of tree my stand is in to a certain point down on the ground, and it measure 30 yards (tape measured). If my stand is 20-25ft up the tree, I will be fine using my 30 yard shot right?

Yep... where a lot of bowhunters screw up though is not practicing good form.

They don't bend at the waist and that changes the whole setup..

Most important is:

To have the yardage correct.

Bend at the wasit

Aim by picking a spot.

Follow through

[radiohead]

Can you please elaborate on what "following through" mean when shooting a bow?
Thanks!

Yep... where a lot of bowhunters screw up though is not practicing good form.

They don't bend at the waist and that changes the whole setup..

Most important is:

To have the yardage correct.

Bend at the wasit

Aim by picking a spot.

Follow through

[Skibum]

Can you please elaborate on what "following through" mean when shooting a bow?
Thanks!

Follow through refers to maintaining your form after the shot. Basically it means not lowering your bow arm or tightening your grip until well after the arrow is gone.