UBNJ Pres Arrogant Response

[kmtpr]

A friend sent this to me to post. Notice the difference btn this email and the Campfire article posted earlier.

I had sent Joe Mills an email a few days ago and heres his response!!! (my email to him is below his response)


It's interesting that you identify yourself only as XXXXX. We are not ignoring our survey we am just not willing to manipulate it the way the Division has manipulated theirs. The crossbow is not a bow it is more of a gun. The Divisions precedent has always been the more primitive weapon has the earliest season, the crossGUN belongs in a separate season with a separate definition and a separate permit, just like the muzzleloader. UBNJ will fight to preserve the bowseason for the bow hunter. Hand held, hand drawn archery equipment that requires skill, dedication, and practice to master, should not have a weapon like the crossgun lumped in with. Just point and click and throw bolts all over the woods. It because the proponents of the crossbow do not wish to take the time to get it properly introduced into the gamecode and because they are afraid of what will happen when the public weighs in on this.

XXXXXX, if that is your real name, do not disguise your greed to force the crossgun down the throats of the rest of the archery community as an impassioned movement for the benefit of all hunters. The "facts" you point to are from other States where harvest limits make comparison to NJ completely absurd. The proponents of the crossbow are the "tiny click" and are doing everything they can to try to convience people otherwise. In the end if the Division doesn't act responsibly it will be up to the Sportsmen of NJ to act accordingly.
Sincerely Joe Mills
President United Bowhunters of New Jersey
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXX
To: joe.mills@ubnj.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: well Joe Mills


It seems you say your org. is for ALL bowhunters but you still seem against the results of your own survey. The facts for harvest rates between vertical and crossBOW are just about exactly the same. Why do you oppose them so much. The fall season does not belong to vertical bowhunters only and I hope the DFGW sees that choice for all is far better than what a few thousand in a tiny click in NJ think!!!!

[Michihunter]

Souinds like this Joe Mills could be related to some people in the MBH.:rolleyes:

[November Sunrise]

I undoubtedly wouldn't see eye to eye regarding crossbow inclusion with Joe Mills, but looking at the original email that he was responding to, I think that his response needs to be taken in context. He received an anonymous, poorly written, and somewhat aggressively toned email and responded with a somewhat in kind aggressive response. I don't place much stock in stuff like this, because we also don't have any way of knowing whether someone along the chain might have changed his words. Kmptr, I'm not at all suggesting that you've changed anything in the wording - I'm not implying that at all - it's just that I'm always suspicous of emails that get passed around and circulated without the authors permission.

What someone states on their website or in a meeting or in an interview is fair game, but an email that has been passed down the line doesn't mean anything to me me one way or the other.

[Michihunter]

I undoubtedly wouldn't see eye to eye regarding crossbow inclusion with Joe Mills, but looking at the original email that he was responding to, I think that his response needs to be taken in context. He received an anonymous, poorly written, and somewhat aggressively toned email and responded with a somewhat in kind aggressive response. I don't place much stock in stuff like this, because we also don't have any way of knowing whether someone along the chain might have changed his words. Kmptr, I'm not at all suggesting that you've changed anything in the wording - I'm not implying that at all - it's just that I'm always suspicous of emails that get passed around and circulated without the authors permission.

What someone states on their website or in a meeting or in an interview is fair game, but an email that has been passed down the line doesn't mean anything to me me one way or the other.Good point Jeff.;)

[kmtpr]

I undoubtedly wouldn't see eye to eye regarding crossbow inclusion with Joe Mills, but looking at the original email that he was responding to, I think that his response needs to be taken in context. He received an anonymous, poorly written, and somewhat aggressively toned email and responded with a somewhat in kind aggressive response. I don't place much stock in stuff like this, because we also don't have any way of knowing whether someone along the chain might have changed his words. Kmptr, I'm not at all suggesting that you've changed anything in the wording - I'm not implying that at all - it's just that I'm always suspicous of emails that get passed around and circulated without the authors permission.

What someone states on their website or in a meeting or in an interview is fair game, but an email that has been passed down the line doesn't mean anything to me me one way or the other.

I assure you NOTHING was changed. Person who received that email is a friend and sent it to me and asked me to post it on several boards for him. To imply that this was posted without the author's permission, is also incorrect. It is disturbing that the Pres of this bow org is going by his OWN opinions and NOT ALL of the membership. Also please note the tone is different than the UBNJ Campfire article I posted earlier, as well.

[STRETCH-HUNTER]

im all for a crossbow season. Lets bring more people to hunt in michigan. Maybe people will start driving back up north to do some hunting. Last year was terrible. The gas prices and people were staying around home to hunt. Pass the new crossbow season and bring them back up north to move the deer around more. Im all for a crossbow season.

[Terry Williams]

Souinds like this Joe Mills could be related to some people in the MBH.:rolleyes:

Seems like you've got quite a few kin folk yourself:lol: