George Gardner: Archery Hall of Fame

[10PtCrossbow]

I would urge you all to read about your fellow MI resident. He has a lot of archery history and has helped the sport of Archery move forward. You will notice some of the positions he held.

http://thenewsherald.com/stories/070608/spo_20080706011.shtml

By the way, he is the President of TenPoint Crossbows!:yikes:

[butter21]

Shameless plug for ten point crossbows. :lol:

[NoWake]

Neat article! Thanks for posting it. Wouldn't it be fun to listen to some of the stories guys like him could tell?


I see it didn't take long for someone pollute this thread with a typical 'anti' slam showing a total lack of respect to the subject of the article.

[Riva]

I wish I had a place to hang some of the deer that I have had mounted. Actually, there's only one; a dandy 8 point that I shot (with a shotgun/slug) in Sanilac County about 18 years ago. Regrettably; my wife is absolutely steadfast in her resolve not to have any deer head hanging from any wall in our house. So, it's up at the lake house where, frankly, it makes for better conversation amongst all the guys at camp. I guess you figured out who wears the pant in our household!:gaga:

[Munsterlndr]

Great story, sounds like a great guy. Pity P&Y would deny him listing any trophies taken with a crossbow, despite his permit.

[butter21]

Great story, sounds like a great guy. Pity P&Y would deny him listing any trophies taken with a crossbow, despite his permit.
There is a reason that they don't allow them...:eek:

[10PtCrossbow]

He has the memories, he has the mounts and he is in the Archery Hall of Fame. I'm pretty sure he can do without the P&Y guys.

[10PtCrossbow]

Don't look now, but here is another MI guy in the Bowhunter's Hall of Fame.

http://www.bowhuntershalloffame.com/members/jordanchuck/index.html

He is affiliated with a crossbow compnay too. :lol:

[10PtCrossbow]

And here is a third in the Hall of Fame that works for a Crossbow Company.

http://www.archeryhalloffame.org/bios/william_bednar.aspx

I thought you MBH guys said nobody fromthe crossbow industry ever did anythng good for archery???? I am confused. It appears another of your statements is false:yikes:
And he was inducted the same year as Ishi.

[Joe Archer]

Great story, sounds like a great guy. Pity P&Y would deny him listing any trophies taken with a crossbow, despite his permit.
Great stories all.
I most likely will have some great stories of harvests with a crossbow down the road as well. As I said, It sucks to admit this but I am getting older and my archery and hunting skills are admittedly on the decline. As soon as I get to the point where I no longer can efficiently take a deer with a compound, I most likely will lug one of those cumbersome crossbows into the woods. When the day comes that it gets too heavy for me to lug around, I will just set it on a perch facing out a cabin window overlooking an automatic feeder. It will still require stealth for me to get up off the couch, look down the scope and pull the trigger. I guess when it becomes too much of a hassle to check the feeder, I can always rig a plug attached to a motion detector and have it hooked up to a green light next to the couch. Who knows, when it gets to this point there will most likely be software that allows me to control the position of the crossbow, see the viewfinder of the scope, and release the arrow without ever having to leave the couch. My current memories of past archery successes will have all but have faded, as will the use of the compound by hunting population in general.
OK, so maybe I over exaggerated just a little. :lol: No one is (at least I am not) saying that you can't have some great experiences hunting with a crossbow. In all honesty, I most likely will some day. In all honesty, these successes will not be quite as sweet as those I have had with a compound. I say this because even though all my firearms deer have been taken at 50 yards or less with many of them being taken at 25 yards or less; these hunts just do not stack up with the successes of archery hunting.
I am sure we will have fun with the crossbows, what saddens me is at the same time we will be watching the tradition of archery die. I love archery just as much as most of you all love deer hunting.
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[Munsterlndr]

There is a reason that they don't allow them...:eek:

Hey, P&Y is a private organization, they can make whatever rules they want. Just pointing out that by not allowing disabled hunters, who are legally hunting with the appropriate crossbow permit, to enter records in the P&Y book, that they are discriminating against individuals who ordinarily would have the opportunity to place records in the book. They are essentially saying that if you are disabled and the crossbow is the legal accommodation that allows you to participate in hunting, that you are still not worthy of participating in their book. Just seems highly discriminatory to me but YMMV.

[Neal]

George was once a regular member of our deer camp and a good family friend, quite a character he is. Congratulations George....Thanks for all you do and have done for hunting.

[butter21]

Hey, P&Y is a private organization, they can make whatever rules they want. Just pointing out that by not allowing disabled hunters, who are legally hunting with the appropriate crossbow permit, to enter records in the P&Y book, that they are discriminating against individuals who ordinarily would have the opportunity to place records in the book. They are essentially saying that if you are disabled and the crossbow is the legal accommodation that allows you to participate in hunting, that you are still not worthy of participating in their book. Just seems highly discriminatory to me but YMMV.
It's not discriminating against anyone. The rules of P&Y say you have to take the animal with a bow. Anyone can do this. I see what your saying about it but, they still took the animal with a crossbow, not a bow.

[10PtCrossbow]

I am sure we will have fun with the crossbows, what saddens me is at the same time we will be watching the tradition of archery die. I love archery just as much as most of you all love deer hunting.
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Joe,
You will not be watching the tradition of archery die. No one is saying people can't use a compound bow. When compounds came out, nobody was forced to put down their recurve or long bow. It is just another way to bow hunt. Despite what you here, it will bring people into using compound bows as well. I worked in sporting goods retailer for about 7 years and on many occasions, I sold a guy a crossbow and the next year, he would come in to buy a compound.
Traditions are what you make of them and what they mean to you.

[butter21]

Joe,
You will not be watching the tradition of archery die. No one is saying people can't use a compound bow. When compounds came out, nobody was forced to put down their recurve or long bow. It is just another way to bow hunt. Despite what you here, it will bring people into using compound bows as well. I worked in sporting goods retailer for about 7 years and on many occasions, I sold a guy a crossbow and the next year, he would come in to buy a compound.
Traditions are what you make of them and what they mean to you.
Probably wouldn't remember, b/c Ohio made inclusion legal along time ago

[10PtCrossbow]

Butter,
Yeah, it was about the same time you all killed your archery traditions by adding compounds. The people that shot traditional still had their traditions and the compound guys got to start their own traditions.

[TOW]

Butter,
Yeah, it was about the same time you all killed your archery traditions by adding compounds. The people that shot traditional still had their traditions and the compound guys got to start their own traditions.

From his posts I've got to believe that butter is a Johnny Come Lately on the scene and has only hunted with a high tech compound and thinks that is the only archery going.

[Swamp Ghost]

Joe,
You will not be watching the tradition of archery die. No one is saying people can't use a compound bow. When compounds came out, nobody was forced to put down their recurve or long bow. It is just another way to bow hunt. Despite what you here, it will bring people into using compound bows as well. I worked in sporting goods retailer for about 7 years and on many occasions, I sold a guy a crossbow and the next year, he would come in to buy a compound.
Traditions are what you make of them and what they mean to you.

Crossbow enthusiasts currently have a traditon of crossbowhunting in MI.

No one is forcing them to use a firearm during gunseason.....

[Michihunter]

Crossbow enthusiasts currently have a traditon of crossbowhunting in MI.

No one is forcing them to use a firearm during gunseason.....And no one will be forcing anyone to use an xbow during archery season.:D:D

[Munsterlndr]

It's not discriminating against anyone. The rules of P&Y say you have to take the animal with a bow. Anyone can do this. I see what your saying about it but, they still took the animal with a crossbow, not a bow.

Um...the whole point of disabled rights is that reasonable accommodations are made for individuals who because of a disability are unable to do certain things. So to say that "anybody can do this" is simply not true in some cases. The Government has determined that crossbows are a reasonable accommodation that allow bow hunters who cannot use vertical bows to participate in bow season. Despite this fact, P&Y continues to deny those disabled hunters the opportunity to participate in the record book. They do not provide a "reasonable accommodation" to those who are disabled. Like I said, it's their choice but I think it's a pretty lousy thing to do to the disabled.

[TOW]

I don't think that they even allow DrawLocks....

[10PtCrossbow]

Crossbow enthusiasts currently have a traditon of crossbowhunting in MI......

And they now want a tradition in the proper season, just like the compounds did 30+ years ago. Archery!
It is really not a difficult concept, it shoots an arrow propelled by bent limbs and a string: archery.

[D-BEAVER]

Think that happened once already in the 60's.:D

Not a fair comparison, IMO. Compounds offer an advantage over traditional gear, sure... but crossbows offer an even larger advantage. A line has to be drawn somewhere,and for me, that line is the compound bow.

I'll tell you what, if I give up my compound, will you guys give up persuing the crossbow? I'll gladly bowhunt with a recurve if it keeps x-bows out of the wrong hands.

[Joe Archer]

Think that happened once already in the 60's.:D
I really can't fault you guys for always bringing up traditional archery when loosing a debate. I mean, you have to say something now dontcha?However, those of us who have shot both traditional equipment, and compounds have no trouble at all classifying either act as archery.
Shooting a crossbow will never be archery... I dont care what online sources or definitions you quote, or how you compare and contrast the crossbow to compounds and/or rifles. What you really need to do is ask someone who knows archery. For my friend if you knew archery, you would know better.
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[Neal]

I think it's pretty sad that you guys are using George's accomplishments as a platform for another crossbow debate. How about starting "just another crossbow debate" thread instead.

[Joe Archer]

I think it's pretty sad that you guys are using George's accomplishments as a platform for another crossbow debate. How about starting "just another crossbow debate" thread instead.
Sorry, Neal. I meant no disrespect.
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[Michihunter]

I think it's pretty sad that you guys are using George's accomplishments as a platform for another crossbow debate. How about starting "just another crossbow debate" thread instead.You are absolutely correct and I apologize. In honor of George I deleted my posts.;)

[Neal]

Thanks guys, In all honesty posting this in the crossbow forum could only provoke debate. George was honored into the "Archery" Hall of Fame, for his decades of promoting archery, not so much for his migration into the crossbow industry.