A idea to make deer hunting more fair

[michigandeerslayer]

I think we should all start using one shot guns, Muzzleloaders, single shot rifles single shot slug guns

This way every one has the same advantage and there is no in difference between you and Me.

There really is no need for more then one shot if you practice:D

Just another idea

[John Singer]

Anybody ever tell you not to drink the bong water?

[michigandeerslayer]

Just trying to make it fair. Wouldn't want to have it any easier

If you practice, you dont need more then one shot:D

[John Singer]

Gun deer hunting should always be a 1-shot proposition. In many years of deer hunting, I cannot recall ever firing more than 1-shot at a deer and getting it. I now do almost all of my deer hunting with a single shot muzzleloader. I just do not see that happening as a matter of law for all gun hunting and do not want it to happen. The resource does not need such restrictions.

I cannot see how it would make it more fair however. Bow hunting is usually a 1-shot game with either a compound/recurve or crossbow but there is tremendous debate on this forum about crossbows.

John Singer

[bucko12pt]

Gun deer hunting should always be a 1-shot proposition. In many years of deer hunting, I cannot recall ever firing more than 1-shot at a deer and getting it.

I now do almost all of my deer hunting with a single shot muzzleloader.

John Singer

No more single shot ML for me. Just picked up one of the new Klingler semi auto ML's. ;)

[Thunderhead]

Been hunting with a single shot for years. 1st deer was at 14 years old shooting great gramps' single shot 16ga. Winchester Model 37.
147 7/8 main frame 12pt.........

[spice64]

I think we should all start using one shot guns, Muzzleloaders, single shot rifles single shot slug guns

This way every one has the same advantage and there is no in difference between you and Me.

There really is no need for more then one shot if you practice:D

Just another idea


Maybe you dont understand. Deer hunting Is purely a Sport of ONE SHOT, as is most hunting. may it be small game, big game,waterfowl or upland. Though you might not think you should have to. PRACTICE is hunting. The extra shells in your magizine or arrows in your quiver wernt meant to be shot at one animal.

[old graybeard]

All of my deer guns are single shots now and have been for many years.
Browning model B-78 in 30-06
T/C Encore 12 ga slug gun
T/C encore 50cal.
Plus I bow hunt:) that's about as fair as I can make it.

[moonphase]

My father passed away last year,but this is alittle story that I always remember that happened 1 year.He used to always brag to me about only using 1 shot ever on a deer(after I missed a couple of times when I was younger):mad:Well one year we were out hunting and I was a couple hundred yards from him and I hear BLAM......BLAM.....So I gather my stuff and start heading towards him,when I get there he is standing over a 6pt and I'm thinking nows my time to get a little ribbing in myself.So I say nice deer pops, hes like thanks bud I said you must of missed the first shot hey?I only see 1 hole,He looks at me like he couldnt even believe I said that to him and says no the first bullet is in that 8pt over there:yikes:Could never get 1 up on him.

[doublell]

My father passed away last year,but this is alittle story that I always remember that happened 1 year.He used to always brag to me about only using 1 shot ever on a deer(after I missed a couple of times when I was younger):mad:Well one year we were out hunting and I was a couple hundred yards from him and I hear BLAM......BLAM.....So I gather my stuff and start heading towards him,when I get there he is standing over a 6pt and I'm thinking nows my time to get a little ribbing in myself.So I say nice deer pops, hes like thanks bud I said you must of missed the first shot hey?I only see 1 hole,He looks at me like he couldnt even believe I said that to him and says no the first bullet is in that 8pt over there:yikes:Could never get 1 up on him.
now that is a classic. thanks for sharing.

[SuperSnapper]

There would be a lot of wounded deer running around...

[SPITFIRE]

Anybody ever tell you not to drink the bong water?
:yeahthat: the meds are getting to ya!

i mostly bowhunt but I think we have enough restrictions allready.

[Whit1]

Been hunting with a single shot for years. 1st deer was at 14 years old shooting great gramps' single shot 16ga. Winchester Model 37.
147 7/8 main frame 12pt.........

Tom, my first shotgun was a single shot 16 ga., but a J.C. Higgins model from Sears. I think it was manufactured by American Standard (????).

I never used it for deer hunting though.

Over they years I've only taken multiple shots at a handful of whitetails.

[T-Bone0717]

I think we should all start using one shot guns, Muzzleloaders, single shot rifles single shot slug guns

This way every one has the same advantage and there is no in difference between you and Me.

There really is no need for more then one shot if you practice:D

Just another idea

This makes no sense to me. How does using only single shot guns make things more fair? And why do you care what kind of weapon another hunter uses anyway?

[NoWake]

H&R single shot 20 ga. was my first. I remember sitting in the brush/blind with my Dad. We were facing opposite directions and a buck of a lifetime (thought so at the time anyway) appeared in front of me in a small clearing. I whispered to my dad and he told me to wait until he could turn around in case I missed. By the time he got turned around the deer was gone. I still give him grief about it once in a while.

[2PawsRiver]

Using a single shot does not make things fair, but it does result in a more disciplined hunter and a disciplined hunter is a better hunter.:)

[SPH]

This would not be fair at all. What about all the guys who don't pick up their gun until the night before opening day and don't even know if it is sited in? Or what about the guy that has the deer running at mach 3 accrossed a field and wants to throw some lead at it and is not sure he can do it with 1 shot? If you shoot 1 leg off you have to be able shoot atleast 1 more leg in order for the animal to go down for good.

Nothing fair about that!!!

[SuperSnapper]

This would not be fair at all. What about all the guys who don't pick up their gun until the night before opening day and don't even know if it is sited in? Or what about the guy that has the deer running at mach 3 accrossed a field and wants to throw some lead at it and is not sure he can do it with 1 shot? If you shoot 1 leg off you have to be able shoot atleast 1 more leg in order for the animal to go down for good.

Nothing fair about that!!!
I hope your not hunting anywhere near me!

[michigandeerslayer]

Using a single shot does not make things fair, but it does result in a more disciplined hunter and a disciplined hunter is a better hunter.:)

This was my point with the thread

All this talk about hunting is too easy and using this type of bow or crossbow, this type of gun or muzzleloader

It comes down to Practice, use what you have and enjoy the sport

I for one prefer one shot guns, but that is me

I know on opening day you hear the guy in the wood's taking 4 or 5 shots in a row. That make you wonder what type of hunter is out there:yikes:

[T-Bone0717]

This was my point with the thread

All this talk about hunting is too easy and using this type of bow or crossbow, this type of gun or muzzleloader

It comes down to Practice, use what you have and enjoy the sport

I for one prefer one shot guns, but that is me

I know on opening day you hear the guy in the wood's taking 4 or 5 shots in a row. That make you wonder what type of hunter is out there:yikes:

Now this makes a little more sense. But you also have to look at it from a different prospective. We are all not perfect shots and do not always make a kill shot on the first pass. I personally would prefer to take more than one shot if my first shot didnt do the job. If more shots me less suffering for the animal, then thats the way to go.

[DaveW731]

Does Ruger still manufacture their single-shot rifles? In addition to being single-shot, they were also extremely accurate, if I remember correctly. Look pretty cool, as well.

[thunder river outfitters]

i myself am not a big gun user, but i do own a muzzleloader. if i do venture out during gun its with that. or mabey my bow. i feel if you cant hit it the first time , it wasnt ment to be. you can always tell who is a good hunter or not just by listening to how many shots they take. someone that unloads their gun on a deer is actually a danger to anyone/everyone around them.
so i guess i would be all for the "1 shot thing" . just my take on the subject

[November Sunrise]

I hope your not hunting anywhere near me!

:lol:. Not real strong at detecting sarcasm, eh?

Excellent post SPH.

[November Sunrise]

My father passed away last year,but this is alittle story that I always remember that happened 1 year.He used to always brag to me about only using 1 shot ever on a deer(after I missed a couple of times when I was younger):mad:Well one year we were out hunting and I was a couple hundred yards from him and I hear BLAM......BLAM.....So I gather my stuff and start heading towards him,when I get there he is standing over a 6pt and I'm thinking nows my time to get a little ribbing in myself.So I say nice deer pops, hes like thanks bud I said you must of missed the first shot hey?I only see 1 hole,He looks at me like he couldnt even believe I said that to him and says no the first bullet is in that 8pt over there:yikes:Could never get 1 up on him.

Awesome story moonphase :).

[GuT_PiLe]

I think using the word "fair" had people a little confused.

Using the word "fair" usually relates to a competition.


I don't know about the rest of the people out there, but i'm not competing with anybody else.
I congratulate my fellow hunters when they are successful in harvesting an animal whether it be deer or other.

I don't frown upon them and mumble bad things under my breath. I treat it more like a brotherhood.
(unless of couse your a lousy, disrespectful hunter and shooting fawns or something ridiculous like that)

I don't care how many rounds you bring out there as long as your legal, and not throwing lead irresponsibly in all directions.

Whatever is best for the animal is my thought. I don't want to see unnecessary suffering. i've made some bad bow shots in my life, and its hard to put that aside, knowing you caused an animal unnecessary pain and suffering. That's a crappy feeling that you have to fight through.

Anything can happen out there, you may be the best shot in the world, but that twig, leaf, blade of grass you failed to see sent your one shot a tumblin wildly out off course and wounded the animal...now what...you going to run after him with you bowie knife? Will you have time to pull another round off your belt, load, aim and fire?

I used to own a 30/30 single shot, great gun, took many deer with it, and 98% of the time you only need one shot

But i'm not carrying 4 rounds because I think it gives me an "advantage" over the next guy....i carry for the animals sake so that in the rare instance something goes wrong...i can try to right my wrong if possible.

[T-Bone0717]

But i'm not carrying 4 rounds because I think it gives me an "advantage" over the next guy....i carry for the animals sake so that in the rare instance something goes wrong...i can try to right my wrong if possible.

Couldnt have said it better myself!

[KingSalmon]

I shoot a .300 savage which has a 5 round cylindrical clip, but ONLY use 1. No need to go all Rambo in the woods. The other shells are for the bears I might run into while going to the blind, or for a second deer but NEVER multiple shots at the same animal. One shot-One kill!

[don]

Does Ruger still manufacture their single-shot rifles? In addition to being single-shot, they were also extremely accurate, if I remember correctly. Look pretty cool, as well.


The Ruger Model 1 is still being made, and is the most beautiful single shot rifle ever made,IMO. ;)

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FASubType?type=Rifle&subtype=Single+Shot

[MuskyDan]

I wonder if other predators make an attempt to even the playing field before they begin hunting for their next meal? FAIR? What needs to be fair? Nothing is fair and it shoudn't be, people who work harder and put more in to whatever they are doing are going to be rewarded more graciously than those who give less effort. If that means you work harder and you can buy a better gun or bow so be it, if it means you've lived your life in away that allows you to own property and keeps you from hunting the state owned stuff good for you. The only place the word fair should be used in regards to deer hunting is fair chase.

[Luv2hunteup]

If things were made fair it would level the playing field giving everyone an equal chance at the resource wouldn't it?

Fair for one shot weapons could all start on October one. Fair?????

It would be fair to use a long bow, recurve bow, compound bow, cross bow but wouldn't it also be fair to allow muzzleloaders, single shot pistols (TC contenders & Encore's) Ruger #1 etc or even shot guns with plugs?

Get outside and play; it will help with cabin fever. :lol:

[Skibum]

In nearly all cases the first shot you get on game in any circumstance is going to be the best opportunity you will have. No question as hunters we have the responsibility to practice and hone our skills to the best of our abilities. Same goes for shot selection in having the discipline to pass on poor shot opportunities. That said the notion that a hunter will never need more than one shot is either BS of the highest level or a sign of someone who doesn't have much real world hunting experience. S&%t happens and over the 40 years I've been hunting deer and other big game animals I'm sure glad that my practice has included making follow up shots. Regardless of weapon if you hunt long enough something will get fouled up. A defection of a bullet or arrow by a twig, a misjudgement of range sending an arrow over a deer's back, sometimes the fact that the worlds best shooters just flat out miss on occasion. There are many instances where a quickly placed, accurate, second shot is a hunt saver and that can be with a rifle, muzzleloader, or bow.

[michigandeerslayer]

In nearly all cases the first shot you get on game in any circumstance is going to be the best opportunity you will have. No question as hunters we have the responsibility to practice and hone our skills to the best of our abilities. Same goes for shot selection in having the discipline to pass on poor shot opportunities. That said the notion that a hunter will never need more than one shot is either BS of the highest level or a sign of someone who doesn't have much real world hunting experience. S&%t happens and over the 40 years I've been hunting deer and other big game animals I'm sure glad that my practice has included making follow up shots. Regardless of weapon if you hunt long enough something will get fouled up. A defection of a bullet or arrow by a twig, a misjudgement of range sending an arrow over a deer's back, sometimes the fact that the worlds best shooters just flat out miss on occasion. There are many instances where a quickly placed, accurate, second shot is a hunt saver and that can be with a rifle, muzzleloader, or bow.

Well said and I agree 100% If a second shot is needed, it is can be done. Practice is everything, I am afraid of the guy's unloading there gun and then you run into later in the day and you hear he didn't find his deer:yikes:

I was just looking for some opinions and views about this

Carry on

Rich

[thunder river outfitters]

In nearly all cases the first shot you get on game in any circumstance is going to be the best opportunity you will have. No question as hunters we have the responsibility to practice and hone our skills to the best of our abilities. Same goes for shot selection in having the discipline to pass on poor shot opportunities. That said the notion that a hunter will never need more than one shot is either BS of the highest level or a sign of someone who doesn't have much real world hunting experience. S&%t happens and over the 40 years I've been hunting deer and other big game animals I'm sure glad that my practice has included making follow up shots. Regardless of weapon if you hunt long enough something will get fouled up. A defection of a bullet or arrow by a twig, a misjudgement of range sending an arrow over a deer's back, sometimes the fact that the worlds best shooters just flat out miss on occasion. There are many instances where a quickly placed, accurate, second shot is a hunt saver and that can be with a rifle, muzzleloader, or bow.

enough said....well done. i totally agree

[SPH]

You are going to have alot of bad seeds in the woods all over the state on opening day. I would feel much safer if they were only allowed to have 1 bullet in the their gun at a time.

I personally feel it makes fair chase more (fair) but aside from that I would feel much safer in the woods.

Also, a second round can be loaded into a single shot gun or rifle quite fast. This does allow a second chance if the deer is still in close proximity but eliminates the chance for 5 guys to unload on a deer running accross a field.

[old school]

Are you serious, if you can't take the time to sight in, or.... then wow!! is all i have to say.

[Oct.1]

Be careful.
To down an animal with one shot is for the pride of the hunter, to say we should restrict ourselves to only one shot gives the pride of the unaviable rounds to the anti hunter.

[Skibum]

Are you serious, if you can't take the time to sight in, or.... then wow!! is all i have to say.


Huh:confused:

[riverroadbeagles]

1 shot :lol: There is nothing better than going to the processer to drop off your deer and there is a 50# fawn laying there with 3 holes in it. :yikes: How would the guys who dont sight in ever get there deer:lol::lol:

[rzdrmh]

i've multiple single shot rifles and muzzleloaders (though i do own a few bolts now).

i primarily use a muzzleloader.

though, i can say with much certainty, that restricting people to single shots doesn't begin to level the playing field.

shot capacity has nothing to do with practice and load development.

[PIcountyhuntseverything]

This was my point with the thread

All this talk about hunting is too easy and using this type of bow or crossbow, this type of gun or muzzleloader

It comes down to Practice, use what you have and enjoy the sport

I for one prefer one shot guns, but that is me

I know on opening day you hear the guy in the wood's taking 4 or 5 shots in a row. That make you wonder what type of hunter is out there:yikes:

I myself have never had to take more than one shot with a gun of anykind to kill a deer Ive shot at but if it ever so happened that I miss a deer and have that opportunity to get a second shot off safely Id much rather be prepared for such an instance than be kicking myself for being so ignorant as to think that I wont need a follow up. I agee practice is important and not enough is done by most hunters. Myself, I shoot everymonth of the year and hand load my 185 gain 300wsm. I applaud you for your choice of using a single shot whatever for hunting. Fun for you im sure but its not for everyone. Besides whats it matter to anyone how many shots a hunter takes at his/her game? we all hunt for the same reason, we love to do it. Use whats best for you and enjoy your time in the woods.

[GIDEON]

I think we should all start using one shot guns, Muzzleloaders, single shot rifles single shot slug guns

This way every one has the same advantage and there is no in difference between you and Me.

There really is no need for more then one shot if you practice:D

Just another idea

If that is what you think, I say go for it. What to hunt with is like voting, do what you think is best, but remember that this same descision is a personal one that all hunters make.

[huntinglakia]

In nearly all cases the first shot you get on game in any circumstance is going to be the best opportunity you will have. No question as hunters we have the responsibility to practice and hone our skills to the best of our abilities. Same goes for shot selection in having the discipline to pass on poor shot opportunities. That said the notion that a hunter will never need more than one shot is either BS of the highest level or a sign of someone who doesn't have much real world hunting experience. S&%t happens and over the 40 years I've been hunting deer and other big game animals I'm sure glad that my practice has included making follow up shots. Regardless of weapon if you hunt long enough something will get fouled up. A defection of a bullet or arrow by a twig, a misjudgement of range sending an arrow over a deer's back, sometimes the fact that the worlds best shooters just flat out miss on occasion. There are many instances where a quickly placed, accurate, second shot is a hunt saver and that can be with a rifle, muzzleloader, or bow.

:yeahthat:

[HUBBHUNTER]

I have a 30 shot banana clip on my ruger .22. Is that too many shots to take at a rabbit going like a bat out of hell trying to get away from my poorly aimed first shot?????:dizzy: Only joking, some of you may be considereing calling the authorities about now.

Why is it that every time someone starts a new thread everyone has to come in and throw there opinion around like its gospel?

[Skibum]

I have a 30 shot banana clip on my ruger .22. Is that too many shots to take at a rabbit going like a bat out of hell trying to get away from my poorly aimed first shot?????:dizzy: Only joking, some of you may be considereing calling the authorities about now.

Why is it that every time someone starts a new thread everyone has to come in and throw there opinion around like its gospel?

Uh, isn't the whole point of a place like this to provide a medium for sharing opinions? JMHO...:lol:

[old graybeard]

Uh, isn't the whole point of a place like this to provide a medium for sharing opinions? JMHO...:lol:

Yes. Yes it is! However you have to consider who's feathers you may ruffle:D

[rzdrmh]

I myself have never had to take more than one shot with a gun of anykind to kill a deer Ive shot at but if it ever so happened that I miss a deer and have that opportunity to get a second shot off safely Id much rather be prepared for such an instance than be kicking myself for being so ignorant as to think that I wont need a follow up. I agee practice is important and not enough is done by most hunters. Myself, I shoot everymonth of the year and hand load my 185 gain 300wsm. I applaud you for your choice of using a single shot whatever for hunting. Fun for you im sure but its not for everyone. Besides whats it matter to anyone how many shots a hunter takes at his/her game? we all hunt for the same reason, we love to do it. Use whats best for you and enjoy your time in the woods.

re-read my post.

i think you mis-interpreted.

though i use single shots on many occasions, i have no problems with multi-shot guns, and own them myself.

my point was that restricting people to one shot will do nothing to level the playing field.

[michigandeerslayer]

this was a tounge in cheek type post i started. With all this talk about what round is better and crossbow's and etc, I wanted to have a little fun, and it seems it has got to the " I know more then you" type of post

I think we all agree practice is key, I worry about the guy who buys a gun on the 14th of nov at 8pm and heads to the woods

[Groundsize]

yes accuracy is key, one shot is also good, most of the time. If I have tags in my pocket I'll shoot till I run out. I don't shoot at running deer and in the last few years one shot was all I needed to take.

It seems like MDNR wants you to start blasting the hell out of everything anyways with all the Doe seasons going on.

Im not sure what to think about that until I do more research.

Paul

[rzdrmh]

yes accuracy is key, one shot is also good, most of the time. If I have tags in my pocket I'll shoot till I run out. I don't shoot at running deer and in the last few years one shot was all I needed to take.

It seems like MDNR wants you to start blasting the hell out of everything anyways with all the Doe seasons going on.

Im not sure what to think about that until I do more research.

Paul

it's unfortunate that you translate the need for additional doe harvest in certain areas as dnr endorsement of "blasting the hell out of everything".