Trade Possibility?

[Knight]

Interesting, wonder if this has any truth to it?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/53418

[Salmonous Maximus]

"An exchange of Anthony, Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin and Chucky Atkins for Billups, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace and Detroit's first-round pick (29th) makes the most sense (and dollars under the cap for the Nuggets) and is scary-good for both teams"


I hope not. I would love to see Chucky Atkins back to back up Stuckey, but K-mart, Camby, and Mello are a bunch of lazy whiny thugs.

[Nascar31Fan]

Can I get a HELL NO?

[jacktownhooker]

hell noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MEL]

Man i hope that one dosent happen. We would be trading the Pistons for the Nuggets. Why???
I know Denver is high on Billups. Thats Chaunceys home town. So im thinking Joe D. should be able to hold out and see just how much Denver is willing to give up to get Chauncey.
Ive been hearing that Joes been really busy and talking with a ton of teams. To me it just dosent make sence to swap teams with Denver.
I like Mello, I like Camby, I like Martin, But i dont want all them together.
You want to send Sheed and Billups for Melo, thats ok, id even give them a pick also. Or send Tay, Sheed and a pick for Melo.
I dont know, plenty of time for Joe to do some dealing...

[Can't Touch This]

Chauncey has already been quoted as saying he will not play without Rip, and Rip has said the same thing. You can replace talent, but, you can't replace the chemistry and cohensiveness those two have. There may be more talented backcourts, but, there are no better ones because of that chemistry. Splitting them up would be the dumbest move that Joe D can so, plus Stuckey is a great scorer, but, he needs to learn how to run an offense still under Chauncey's supervision.

Joe D has said there will be major changes, but, he is NOT going to dismantle the team...this trade will dismantle the current team and it will not happen, it is that simple. The only player on Denver i could see them getting and someone i would like to get is Camby. He will be that top knotch interior/weakside defender the Pistons have lacked since Ben left, plus he can score in bunches.

Me and a coworker were discussing a trade that sounds like it could be incredible for the Pistons, but, i don't know if it is plausible...

Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince for Dirk Nowitzki and another player, pick, or money. Imagine this starting lineup...

Billups
Rip
SF?-maybe Hayes
Dirk
Dyess/Jason

Billups/Rip/Dirk would be an incredible trio, imo even better than the Celtics trio. The obvious only problem with that is the lack of a SF to fill Tays spot.

[mwp]

Well Joe D. makes the decisions!!!I dont't care what chauncey says about not playing without Rip,who cares!!Out of those two I think Chauncey stays and Rip is gone.You put Stuckey at the #2 and watch him mature.I agree with the Denver thing as a no go.As far as Camby scoring in bunches,his best days are behind him.Dirk from Dallas,no thanks the guy can't play defence!!I'm still ticked at the lack of effort showed by these guys in the Eastern conference finals!!:mad:

[Nascar31Fan]

Chemistry is exactly why Melo wouldn't fit here. How is a guy going to do when all the Detroit crowd has done for 4 years is go, Carmelo Who? Remember all those chantd from Rip and Chauncy when they won the title?? Yeah, he should fit right in.:rolleyes:

[Can't Touch This]

Well Joe D. makes the decisions!!!I dont't care what chauncey says about not playing without Rip,who cares!!Out of those two I think Chauncey stays and Rip is gone.You put Stuckey at the #2 and watch him mature.I agree with the Denver thing as a no go.As far as Camby scoring in bunches,his best days are behind him.Dirk from Dallas,no thanks the guy can't play defence!!I'm still ticked at the lack of effort showed by these guys in the Eastern conference finals!!:mad:

Dirk plays OK defense, i didn't like him a few years ago, but, he has toughin up and now plays harder and plays defense, at times at least. What the Pistons need is a player like Dirk, or i guess Mello, a super star, go-to player that can put up 30 on any given night.

My point was you can't replace the chemistry and cohesiveness Billups and Rip has and splitting them up would be incredibly stupid, they are the reason this team has been so good. Basically you split them up, you might as well dismantle the team and rebuild.

Sheed is almost as good as gone, he has decent value, but, i think in order to get a top knotch player you need to pair him with Tay. Tay is awesome, but, i think he is one of the most underachieving players in the league, he has 20+ppg potential, but he has hovered around 14ppg, and he disappears late in the playoffs. The problem with moving Tay is the 3 is probably the hardest position to fill in the league, that will be tough unless you get like a Maggette or someone like that who can play the 3.

I heard Elton Brand is another big name that Joe D is interested in, that would be just what the Pistons need....the question is, who will they have to give up?

[MEL]

Dirk plays OK defense, i didn't like him a few years ago, but, he has toughin up and now plays harder and plays defense, at times at least. What the Pistons need is a player like Dirk, or i guess Mello, a super star, go-to player that can put up 30 on any given night.

My point was you can't replace the chemistry and cohesiveness Billups and Rip has and splitting them up would be incredibly stupid, they are the reason this team has been so good. Basically you split them up, you might as well dismantle the team and rebuild.

Sheed is almost as good as gone, he has decent value, but, i think in order to get a top knotch player you need to pair him with Tay. Tay is awesome, but, i think he is one of the most underachieving players in the league, he has 20+ppg potential, but he has hovered around 14ppg, and he disappears late in the playoffs. The problem with moving Tay is the 3 is probably the hardest position to fill in the league, that will be tough unless you get like a Maggette or someone like that who can play the 3.

I heard Elton Brand is another big name that Joe D is interested in, that would be just what the Pistons need....the question is, who will they have to give up?


Dirks a Puss who chokes when his team needs him. A 30 point per game scorer? We have Rip Hamilton. He can get 30 points just about anytime he needs it. The reason he dosent average 30 is that he plays with in the scope of the team. But if he needed to be THE scorer, he could average 30.

I like Elton but i think he's comming off a major injury. If we can get him for the right price, go for it. If not just pass. I think its gonna be a active off season with lots of players being moved.
At this time i think is of upmost importance that the stones dont stand pat.
I really would like to see a presence in the paint. A big who plays around the basket, gets easy points and rebounds.

[ahasiec]

Dirk...The Great White Hope...Is a Real Big Joke...I will pass on him

[SpawnSac27]

I just heard something about a trade...Chauncey and Rasheed for Baron Davis? ***?!?!

[MEL]

I just heard something about a trade...Chauncey and Rasheed for Baron Davis? ***?!?!


C Bill AND Sheed for Davis??? Aint happenin!!!!!

[Can't Touch This]

C Bill AND Sheed for Davis??? Aint happenin!!!!!

I have heard Billups straight up for Baron, if you throw in Sheed, they better get ALOT more than just Baron. I would not like that though, i love Baron's game, he is one of my favorite players outside of the Pistons, but i think he is not the answer. Like i said, i believe moving Billups not be a good idea, he is a great leader and is one of the best at running an offense.

[SpawnSac27]

My thoughts exactly. I couldn't believe they would give Billups AND Sheed for Baron Davis....He's a good player, but by no means worth those two. It was something my sister said she saw on ESPN, not sure what the deal was with it...

[William H Bonney]

My thoughts exactly. I couldn't believe they would give Billups AND Sheed for Baron Davis....He's a good player, but by no means worth those two. It was something my sister said she saw on ESPN, not sure what the deal was with it...

Davis and Harrington,, I'm pretty sure.....

The funny thing is,,,,,, Davis said G-State are the ones that were saying "no way",,, same with the Denver and Melo deals(rumors). Is it possible that what I've been saying all along is true,,,,,:D that Detroit is over-rated and Dumars basically SUCKS as a GM. He's got all this money wrapped up in "good" players and all the Stone's are is a perennial ECF team. :rolleyes:

[MEL]

Is it possible that what I've been saying all along is true,,,,,:D that Detroit is over-rated and Dumars basically SUCKS as a GM. He's got all this money wrapped up in "good" players and all the Stone's are is a perennial ECF team. :rolleyes:


No its not possible. Joe would be at the very top of the list of nba GM's and in the upper tier of ALL Sports GM's.
I think the question you should have asked is: "Is Joe Dumars Perfect".
No he is not perfect and has made some questionable moves.
Yes, he has lots of money tied up in contracts, but to be a perennial ECF team you have to have a lot of money tied up in contracts. Got good players= having to pay them!!! Im not sure of their payroll but i would doubt that its the highest. Im sure if you ask the Bobcats, Bulls, Bucks if they would like to trade places with the Stones they would jump on the chance.
I fully expect Joe to make a deal or two during the off season. BUT i dont expect him to make a deal just for the sake of making one. He will do it only if he thinks it will improve the team.

[William H Bonney]

No its not possible. Joe would be at the very top of the list of nba GM's and in the upper tier of ALL Sports GM's.
I think the question you should have asked is: "Is Joe Dumars Perfect".
No he is not perfect and has made some questionable moves.
Yes, he has lots of money tied up in contracts, but to be a perennial ECF team you have to have a lot of money tied up in contracts. Got good players= having to pay them!!! Im not sure of their payroll but i would doubt that its the highest. Im sure if you ask the Bobcats, Bulls, Bucks if they would like to trade places with the Stones they would jump on the chance.
I fully expect Joe to make a deal or two during the off season. BUT i dont expect him to make a deal just for the sake of making one. He will do it only if he thinks it will improve the team.

I totally understand what you're saying but here's the deciding factors that come into play with me and Joe D. List the good moves he's made versus the bad or non-moves. The Darko deal counts as 10 BAD moves,, completely unacceptable and he shoulda been fired on the spot for that one and the Grant Hill deal doesn't really count cause even my unborn daughter(at the time) knew he had to go. Now remember,,, Big Ben was a "throw-in" player,, Joe D really didn't even want him when that trade went down. The only good move I've seen him make was the Sheed deal,, and now he's really paying for that one,, "literally". Look at the year then won it and the year they made it to the Finals,,,, see any common denominators there?? LB, Sheed, and Big Ben. He let Ben bolt for more money(he coulda re-signed him if he wanted to),, LB was a wacko( but great coach and IMO the only reason they won,, that and the Lakers laid down) not sure what Joe coulda done with him, except throw money at him. And then there's Sheed,, personally I like him,, for entertainment value alone. But now everyone seems to think he's worn out his welcome. To me the proof is in all these other teams saying,,,, "nnnaahh,, that's ok,, you can keep all your jump-shooters" and shittty bench players"... Ok,, that's all for now..:lol:

[MEL]

I totally understand what you're saying but here's the deciding factors that come into play with me and Joe D. List the good moves he's made versus the bad or non-moves. The Darko deal counts as 10 BAD moves,, completely unacceptable and he shoulda been fired on the spot for that one and the Grant Hill deal doesn't really count cause even my unborn daughter(at the time) knew he had to go. Now remember,,, Big Ben was a "throw-in" player,, Joe D really didn't even want him when that trade went down. The only good move I've seen him make was the Sheed deal,, and now he's really paying for that one,, "literally". Look at the year then won it and the year they made it to the Finals,,,, see any common denominators there?? LB, Sheed, and Big Ben. He let Ben bolt for more money(he coulda re-signed him if he wanted to),, LB was a wacko( but great coach and IMO the only reason they won,, that and the Lakers laid down) not sure what Joe coulda done with him, except throw money at him. And then there's Sheed,, personally I like him,, for entertainment value alone. But now everyone seems to think he's worn out his welcome. To me the proof is in all these other teams saying,,,, "nnnaahh,, that's ok,, you can keep all your jump-shooters" and shittty bench players"... Ok,, that's all for now..:lol:

Darko: Just about EVERY GM in the NBA had Darko high on their lists. If Joe didnt take him, the next team or team after that would have taken him. Darko had all the promise in the world but i think his trouble is in his head (spoiled young rich kid who thought he had "make it") So was it a stupid move? No, plenty of high NBA draft picks never make it. In hind sight its easy to say he shoulda did this or shoulda did that. Am i happy with the way that whole deal worked out? No, but it is what it is.

Larry Brown: Was brought in for one thing and one thing only. To win a title. He was never going to be a long term coach. Nor will he ever be.
LB's lack of class is to be expected and in my opinion is not a reflection of
Dumars making a bad move. Matter of fact, he did bring a title.

Grant Hill deal: Regardless of who says GH should of stayed or should have went, Joe pulled the trigger to get the deal done. Even tho GH was THE FACE of the Stones at that time. Not easy to get rid of the fan favorite who was a fine player. But joe pulled the trigger.

Big Ben: Joe pretty much knew what he was getting. Little O, Good D. No 0ne ever expected Ben to be the very solid defender he was in Detroit. Plus, Ben seemed to fit into the team very well.
As far as letting Ben go to the Bulls: If the Bulls wanted to pay $60Mil. for
4 years for Ben, thats their business. Myself, and others on MSF where in agreement with his contract. Wasnt worth that kind of contract. We could see his skills deminish and His attitude changing. Ask the Bulls today if they would make that deal again. We all know that answer.

Sheed: I'll agree with you on the Sheed comment. He is one Piston who i will never figure out. Got the size, talent and expierence to be a real factor on the Stones. Ive never seen him bust out and have the season that he could have. I for one, am tired of the Sheed show. Its gotten old and boring in my book. Seen him get enought T's. Seen him miss enough team huddles during time outs. Just seen enough of him!!! I also think that the others on the team are sick of his 'SHOW' and when he's gone, the others will make their voices known. Just not gonna see the others throw Sheed under the bus right now. When its been sheeds time to show up and carry the team, Ive seen him fold to much.

Bench: Maxiell and Stuckey would fit on every other team in the NBA.
Max. as a 6 or 7 off the bench and will never get to be a solid starter. He would have to take away from his energy game to log heavy minutes.
Stuckey, Who by the way, was a strech for Joe to take, looks to be a very solid player, Given a year to play under Billups, myself and others see great things for him. Affialio, showed promise, might be a good bench player for us. Only time will tell. Lindsey H. pure defensive sub who can come in a take other guards out of their games. But would fit on many other clubs cause of what he brings.

Rest of the bench was made up of position players. Has beens, never beens, guys who might get you a few minutes to rest starters....But thats
pretty much how the NBA works with EVERY team.

Jumps Shooters: Yep, got a lot if them. Billups is a jump shooter, a VERY good one, But may be the very Best game manager in the NBA. Depending one what your prioritys are he's a top 10 and might be above a top 5. Top notch pressure shooter.
Rip can get 30 points anythime he wants to. Plays within the scope of the O. Also gives other guards fits when trying to defend him. Solid free throw and 3 point shooter.
Tay. Slipped in my book. But to others a very solid defender. High BBall IQ. Should be more assertive on the offensive side. And should not log heavy minutes.
Sheed is what he is. Dice still has game left in him but will never be the player from years gone buy. Tried to carry the team thru the Celts series, but not enough left in the tank. Perhaps the very best teamate there is in the NBA.

I see moves being made. One or two will not be here. Finals just ended so plenty of time to work out deals. The Mello rumors and B Davis rumors where just that. I dont put stake into anything thats written on the 'net
or gossiped on ESPN. Lets see, Kobe was headed to Detroit last year. NOT!! KG waas headed here a few times over the years, NOT!!! B Davis was headed here last year, NOT!!! Davis was headed here this year for Billups AND Sheed, NOT...
One issue i do have with Dumars...Keeping players around to long!! Most of the starters cuould have been traded in the past 2-3 years, Bringing in fresh faces. Keep players to long and the other teams know your game all to well. Keep players to long and their skills go....see Ben Wallace. I say trade them when they are at the peak so you get maximum payback

[M1Garand]

Darko: Just about EVERY GM in the NBA had Darko high on their lists. If Joe didnt take him, the next team or team after that would have taken him. Darko had all the promise in the world but i think his trouble is in his head (spoiled young rich kid who thought he had "make it") So was it a stupid move? No, plenty of high NBA draft picks never make it. In hind sight its easy to say he shoulda did this or shoulda did that. Am i happy with the way that whole deal worked out? No, but it is what it is.



He should've let THEM take him...I never thought he had the promise of players who were passed up...Dwayne Wade, Carmello Anthony and I think Chris Bosch too. The only thing I thought Darko had going for him was height. I like Joe and think he's done a good job and won't question him...he's done some good things but that Darko draft was a terrible one. Esp when Wade and Anthony had much more potential IMO.

[Can't Touch This]

He should've let THEM take him...I never thought he had the promise of players who were passed up...Dwayne Wade, Carmello Anthony and I think Chris Bosch too. The only thing I thought Darko had going for him was height. I like Joe and think he's done a good job and won't question him...he's done some good things but that Darko draft was a terrible one. Esp when Wade and Anthony had much more potential IMO.

Darko had A LOT more than height. According to the scouting reports, he has a great jumpshot with great 3 pt and beyond range(lol), amazing footwork in the post, and great touch around the basket. Was thought by many to be the next Dirk x 10. If Bron wasn't in the draft, he would've been the first pick. Like MANY Euro players, he just couldn't get the mentality down, also the speed and toughness that post players need nowadays.

BTW, it's Chris BOSH ;)

William, i am curious to what team in the NBA you root for? Obviously, it's not the Pistons :lol:I understand your points, but, obviously disagree. The Darko move ended up being a TERRIBLE pick, however, that was Joe Ds only bad move. He built this championship and perrenial contender from scatch. He picked up a journeyman Pg named Chauncey Billups, then made a potentially ludacris trade sending the Pistons leading scorer in Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, also sending the beloved Grant Hill for scrubs in Ben Wallce and Chucky Adkins(i think, i forget everyone and picks in that trade). And later in the first round, where it's rare to find a player who can contribute, he has picked up Tayshaun Prince, and eventually Jason Maxiell, and Stuckey in the middle of the first. Don't forget about the genius Sheed trade, and taking a chance on Antonio McDyess coming off 2 knee surgeries. I am sure there is more i am not forgetting....

Believe me, us Pistons fans have the upmost trust in Joe D, we won't let a million great moves offset one horrible move than really hasn't hurt the team that much. Also, yes, i think he is the best GM in the NBA, and among the tops in all of prefessional sports. 6 straight ECF, 7 straight 50+win seasons, 2 NBA finals, 1 NBA championship. Yeah, they should've won at least one more. Again, it is very hard to repeat or win multiple championships, especially without a Shaq, MJ, Magic, Bill, ect. However, expect for the Spurs, these Pistons have been the best team past the Lakers 3-peat, and they are the ones that broke up that team, lets not forget that.

[William H Bonney]

Darko had A LOT more than height. According to the scouting reports, he has a great jumpshot with great 3 pt and beyond range(lol), amazing footwork in the post, and great touch around the basket. Was thought by many to be the next Dirk x 10. If Bron wasn't in the draft, he would've been the first pick. Like MANY Euro players, he just couldn't get the mentality down, also the speed and toughness that post players need nowadays.

BTW, it's Chris BOSH ;)

William, i am curious to what team in the NBA you root for? Obviously, it's not the Pistons :lol:I understand your points, but, obviously disagree. The Darko move ended up being a TERRIBLE pick, however, that was Joe Ds only bad move. He built this championship and perrenial contender from scatch. He picked up a journeyman Pg named Chauncey Billups, then made a potentially ludacris trade sending the Pistons leading scorer in Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, also sending the beloved Grant Hill for scrubs in Ben Wallce and Chucky Adkins(i think, i forget everyone and picks in that trade). And later in the first round, where it's rare to find a player who can contribute, he has picked up Tayshaun Prince, and eventually Jason Maxiell, and Stuckey in the middle of the first. Don't forget about the genius Sheed trade, and taking a chance on Antonio McDyess coming off 2 knee surgeries. I am sure there is more i am not forgetting....

Believe me, us Pistons fans have the upmost trust in Joe D, we won't let a million great moves offset one horrible move than really hasn't hurt the team that much. Also, yes, i think he is the best GM in the NBA, and among the tops in all of prefessional sports. 6 straight ECF, 7 straight 50+win seasons, 2 NBA finals, 1 NBA championship. Yeah, they should've won at least one more. Again, it is very hard to repeat or win multiple championships, especially without a Shaq, MJ, Magic, Bill, ect. However, expect for the Spurs, these Pistons have been the best team past the Lakers 3-peat, and they are the ones that broke up that team, lets not forget that.

I bleed purple and gold Kevin,,,:evilsmile. You've kinda made my point for me really though.... Do you disagree that,,,, LB is probably the only reason they won a title and got to the Finals the next year?? I'm not sure how anyone really can,, because they haven't been back to the Finals since,, and let's face it the Eastern Conf. and the Stone's division wasn't exactly a "powerhouse". Like I said before LB was a wacko but Dumars shoulda realized what he had with LB and tried harder to keep him. As for the Darko deal,,,:dizzy: don't get me started on that one. The Hill deal,,, EVERYONE knew he had to go,, and Joe D got extremely lucky that Ben turned out the way he did here(then he let him bolt for more money).... I'll give Dumars the Sheed and LB deals,, those deals were good, although he can't even "give away" Sheed now.... ya know what,, I'll even give him the Lindsey deal. As for Stuckey,, how many games has he played as a pro?? He shows potential but the jury is definitely still out. Other than that it's been one bad move or non-move after the next. Here's what I look at,, if the Stone's are as good as everyone "thinks" they are,,, shouldn't Joe D been able to make one solid move to get them over that hump?? Look at what the rest of the Eastern Conf. GM's are doing,, their makin' moves man... IMO,, Joe D is starting to panic,,, realizing that you're not gonna win too many titles with 5 jumpshooters, no center and no PG that can drive to the bucket and for what he has to sell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, nobody's buying.:( Oh,, and what about this years draft,:dizzy: what was up with that??? Not a whole lot you can do with 29th,, but come on. That one left everyone scratching their heads.

[romayer]

I bleed purple and gold Kevin,,,:evilsmile. You've kinda made my point for me really though.... Do you disagree that,,,, LB is probably the only reason they won a title and got to the Finals the next year?? I'm not sure how anyone really can,, because they haven't been back to the Finals since,, and let's face it the Eastern Conf. and the Stone's division wasn't exactly a "powerhouse". Like I said before LB was a wacko but Dumars shoulda realized what he had with LB and tried harder to keep him. As for the Darko deal,,,:dizzy: don't get me started on that one. The Hill deal,,, EVERYONE knew he had to go,, and Joe D got extremely lucky that Ben turned out the way he did here(then he let him bolt for more money).... I'll give Dumars the Sheed and LB deals,, those deals were good, although he can't even "give away" Sheed now.... ya know what,, I'll even give him the Lindsey deal. As for Stuckey,, how many games has he played as a pro?? He shows potential but the jury is definitely still out. Other than that it's been one bad move or non-move after the next. Here's what I look at,, if the Stone's are as good as everyone "thinks" they are,,, shouldn't Joe D been able to make one solid move to get them over that hump?? Look at what the rest of the Eastern Conf. GM's are doing,, their makin' moves man... IMO,, Joe D is starting to panic,,, realizing that you're not gonna win too many titles with 5 jumpshooters, no center and no PG that can drive to the bucket and for what he has to sell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, nobody's buying.:( Oh,, and what about this years draft,:dizzy: what was up with that??? Not a whole lot you can do with 29th,, but come on. That one left everyone scratching their heads.

Aah, now the true colors come out :)

I think we all now that the Lakers are the media and league darlings, right? Yet you criticize the results of Dumars' leadership, while they are far superior in these last 6 years to the Lakers'?!! You don't seem content with 6 consecutive ECF - how many WCF did the Lakers make it to? Oh yeah, and both teams made it to 2 Finals, but the Stones actually won 1. And I will let you fill in the blanks against whom it happened (hint: 4 starters will be Hall of Famers).

Sheed is a nut case, but he didn't rape anybody in Colorado and he didn't humiliate any teammates by asking for a trade based on their lack of talent. If you are so upset with Sheed's behavior, what should you do about KB? Supreme talent, but 0 character. If you're telling me that fans tolerate lack of character to get results, I would say that the only result you seem to value is a 'ship, which KB got 0 of after he got rid of Shaq.

6 straight ECF are a poor result, right? Hum, that means the other 15 teams only had 1 other seat to fight for... Let's ask them if 6 straight for the Stones means nothing!

[William H Bonney]

Aah, now the true colors come out :)

I think we all now that the Lakers are the media and league darlings, right? Yet you criticize the results of Dumars' leadership, while they are far superior in these last 6 years to the Lakers'?!! You don't seem content with 6 consecutive ECF - how many WCF did the Lakers make it to? Oh yeah, and both teams made it to 2 Finals, but the Stones actually won 1. And I will let you fill in the blanks against whom it happened (hint: 4 starters will be Hall of Famers).

Sheed is a nut case, but he didn't rape anybody in Colorado and he didn't humiliate any teammates by asking for a trade based on their lack of talent. If you are so upset with Sheed's behavior, what should you do about KB? Supreme talent, but 0 character. If you're telling me that fans tolerate lack of character to get results, I would say that the only result you seem to value is a 'ship, which KB got 0 of after he got rid of Shaq.

6 straight ECF are a poor result, right? Hum, that means the other 15 teams only had 1 other seat to fight for... Let's ask them if 6 straight for the Stones means nothing!

:lol: I've never hidden my colors. I also don't think my team is something they're not. The West seemed a little weak this year and when the playoffs started,, I wouldn't have been surprised if the Lakers got bounced in the first round. I surely didn't expect them to be in the Finals and on top of that,, have a legit shot of winning it,, until the colassal collaspe. Your post is pretty much dead on, really. I would take poor character, talent and Championships over Conf. titles anyday of the week. Listen,, as Piston's fans, if you're happy with Conf. titles and at the end of the day that's what you wanna hang you're hat on,,,, that's fine by me. :)

[M1Garand]

Darko had A LOT more than height. According to the scouting reports, he has a great jumpshot with great 3 pt and beyond range(lol), amazing footwork in the post, and great touch around the basket. Was thought by many to be the next Dirk x 10. If Bron wasn't in the draft, he would've been the first pick. Like MANY Euro players, he just couldn't get the mentality down, also the speed and toughness that post players need nowadays.

BTW, it's Chris BOSH ;)

He picked up a journeyman Pg named Chauncey Billups, then made a potentially ludacris trade sending the Pistons leading scorer in Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, also sending the beloved Grant Hill for scrubs in Ben Wallce and Chucky Adkins(i think, i forget everyone and picks in that trade).



Darko showed his jumpshot, great footwork and touch around the basket...:rolleyes:. How was he referred to by the announcers? The human victory cigar? And being unproven in American B-Ball, he was a big gamble esp with the other three still available. IMO, it was too big of one. And we both know how that played out.

And BTW....before you point out someone elses typos, you might want to make sure you don't have any yourself.....it's Chucky ATKINS ;)

[Can't Touch This]

Darko showed his jumpshot, great footwork and touch around the basket...:rolleyes:. How was he referred to by the announcers? The human victory cigar? And being unproven in American B-Ball, he was a big gamble esp with the other three still available. IMO, it was too big of one. And we both know how that played out.

And BTW....before you point out someone elses typos, you might want to make sure you don't have any yourself.....it's Chucky ATKINS ;)

Well, yeah, that was what Darko was thought of before he was drafted, obviously that did not work out in the NBA. At the time of the draft, if wasn't considered a bad pick at all, obviously looking back on it now, it was an all-time horrible pick....