Crossbow threads

[GrizzlyBear]

Is there any way we can get a crossbow forum started???

I understand the whole if you don't like it don't read it thing which is fine, but lately it has dominated the entire forum in here. It makes finding other useful information a pain, and detracts from the general deer hunting forums.

I don't care if you guys verbally pummel each other, but this is getting ridiculous now. If we can't get a forum, how about a cease fire for at least a couple weeks. It's obvious some of you are very passionate about this issue, which is good, but it has to be fairly clear by now you're not going to change anyone's mind on either side. It's the same regulars trading shots over and over again, bringing up the same points.

Can we please get a moratorium or at least a little break. Sorry for the rant, but I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of the same thing over and over again.

[sbooy42]

I agree...
Give em there own season and forum

[beervo2]

I started a thread over a month ago asking if we could get a crossbow forum started on here , but have heard nothing back, by the looks of it there would be plenty of interest..:D

[QDMAMAN]

Just add it to the "traditional archery" forum afterall I emember seeing crossbows being used in midevil times...at least I saw it on the movies about that era.:evil::hide:

Big T

[Nick Adams]

Just add it to the "traditional archery" forum...

I'll second the motion.

-na

[Munsterlndr]

Can we please get a moratorium or at least a little break. Sorry for the rant, but I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of the same thing over and over again.
Yeah, we need to get back to talking about MAR's or baiting or other non-controversial topics. :lol:

[rzdrmh]

what do you expect in a deer hunting forum in JUNE!

let 'em get the poison out before the season starts.. although, i would also like to see it in the traditional archery forum..

[specificgravity]

Awww come on it feels good to relieve a little off-season tension by debating a good topic. Come on, try it, nobody's looking.

How's that for peer pressure? :evil:

[weatherby]

I agree 100%

I agree...
Give em there own season and forum

[Mightymouse]

but lately it has dominated the entire forum in here.



Don't forget about the "why Ohio rules" threads. Although that usually results in some crossbow talk too so I guess they are one in the same.

[fairfax1]

I'll vote.

Give 'em their own forum.
After all, they already have their season: November 15th thru the 30th.

There seems to be plethora of crossbow/crossgun/boltshooter threads of late. Perhaps, the observation that it is a slow season for us deerheads and that we are just idling along with a tired worn-out mini-controversey is the reason.

Too, it could be internet 'viral marketing'.....the topic initially introduced and then posted-to regularly in a 'to-the-top' effort to make it appear as if it is of interest to a wide constituency.

Not saying that that is the reason...... but the old journalism saw of "follow the money" should not too quickly be dismissed. Michigan is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, of the deer hunting states. In other words, a big rich market.

Would it be a surprise if manufacturers, or their surrogates, keep pumping the topic on forums as a way to 'front&face' the product to the market? Hellsbells, it's a lot cheaper than paying for advertising to the forum organizer or to the hookn'bullet magazines.

Stranger things have happened.

Cue the theme music to 'Jaws'.

[Munsterlndr]

Would it be a surprise if manufacturers, or their surrogates, keep pumping the topic on forums as a way to 'front&face' the product to the market? Hellsbells, it's a lot cheaper than paying for advertising to the forum organizer or to the hookn'bullet magazines.

Stranger things have happened.


FF -

Manufacturers lobbying for seasons that may benefit their business? Say it ain't so! :lol:

Roy case, owner of Case Broadheads, instrumental in getting the first archery only season established in this country, in Wisconsin, in 1932. Known as the "father" of bow hunting in Wisconsin.

Fred Bear, owner of Bear Archery, manufactured shooting gloves and bows, lobbied in both Wisconsin & Michigan for archery only seasons. Chiefly responsible for getting archery season in Michigan established in 1938.

Larry Whiffen, owner of Whiffen Archery, lobbied with Roy Case & Fred Bear for the establishment of the first archery only season in Wisconsin, the first in the country.

(Still waiting for a check from Barnett to appear!) :lol:

[NoWake]

Munster, either your hard drive is full of links, articles, and documents or else Google is going to start sending you a usage fee statement. :yikes:

[Munsterlndr]

Munster, either your hard drive is full of links, articles, and documents or else Google is going to start sending you a usage fee statement. :yikes:

:lol:. Yep, I have a file of PDF's of articles and publications and excel spreadsheets regarding deer hunting that is about 300 MB worth. Nothing like having the info at your fingertips! :lol: Don't worry though, 120 Gig HD has lot's of room for more data. ;)

[November Sunrise]

:lol:. Yep, I have a file of PDF's of articles and publications and excel spreadsheets regarding deer hunting that is about 300 MB worth. Nothing like having the info at your fingertips! :lol: Don't worry though, 120 Gig HD has lot's of room for more data. ;)

Aw cmon. It's time for you to come clean - Fairfax has outed you.
The evidence is clear that you're just an evil money grubbing owner of at least one, and quite possibly several, crossbow manufacturers. Everyone knows that each time you make a crossbow post you're working the system to capitalize on the resulting uptick in share prices. Once crossbows are finally legalized in Michigan you'll just be rolling in filthy lucre accompanied no doubt by a maniacal laugh of how you worked the system to your greedy benefit. You're not fooling us Mr. Munstr. Confess and repent!

[fairfax1]

The Newbie Curmudgeon very rightly turns the spotlight on pioneering patriarchs of our sport... Case, Bear & Whiffen.

Great examples of 'bowhunting' marketing.

I remember them and the times well. I also vividly remember how outraged I would get....(was young then, and could squander my outrages).....but how outraged I would get at all three of those guys when they would bury me under their persistent emails using their nom de querre' internet handles. Today's marketers are much more subtle.....but of course, the internet was new then. Waiting for Al Gore.

Then the NC's oh-so-discouraging final remark (Parthian shot?) ..."(Still waiting for a check from Barnett to appear!)

Tell me it ain't so, Joe.

[Munsterlndr]

Then the NC's oh-so-discouraging final remark (Parthian shot?) ..."(Still waiting for a check from Barnett to appear!)

Tell me it ain't so, Joe.

Only in my dreams! :lol:

But I'm certainly open to offers. ;)

Probably won't amount to much compared to what I'm being paid to promote OBR, though. :lol:

And if the internet had existed, Ol' Fred would have been making full use of it for promoting his products . He was a pretty shrewd businessman and was instrumental in the formation of the Archery Manufacturers Association, which is specifically geared towards promoting the archery industry (and thereby increasing sales of equipment). ;)

[November Sunrise]

I remember them and the times well. I also vividly remember how outraged I would get....(was young then, and could squander my outrages).....but how outraged I would get at all three of those guys when they would bury me under their persistent emails using their nom de querre' internet handles. Today's marketers are much more subtle.....but of course, the internet was new then. Waiting for Al Gore.

"The tendency of a young man to squander his outrages"....hmmm... I venture to say that no truer words have ever been written on this forum. With your permission I just may file that phrasing away for future use.

A mighty fine piece of prose' there Fairfax...ever the more impressive considering that you remain all wet on this crossbow issue :D.

[November Sunrise]

Probably won't amount to much compared to what I'm being paid to promote OBR, though. :lol:


Those OBR residuals are really starting to kick in, aren't they? I grew so fatigued with always running to the bank to cash OBR checks that I've now instructed the OBR CFO to transition me over to a strict regimen of direct deposits.

[GrizzlyBear]

I've been using direct deposit for a while now NS, definitely the way to go.

You guys are totally missing the boat. The dividends I receive from AAFFPOB (American Association for Food Plots Over Bait) are completely funding all of this year's hunting expenditures. I get a sliding scale for all the newbies I enlist, the reporting structure is oddly enough shaped like a pyramid.

Any takers?

[Whit1]

You guyz gots it all wrong. The REAL money is in the John Birch Society Inc. Ya see, they be gonna uncover that all this OBR, QDM, TDM, CXM (that's a new one and refers to Crossbow Management), MARS, MDCI (Mandatory Deer Check-In) ain't nothin' more than a commie plot to undemine the youths of our country and turn them into little red herrings!!!!! :yikes:....................:lol:

[fairfax1]

A poster above posts:
"....there Fairfax...ever the more impressive considering that you remain all wet on this crossbow issue."


Et tu, Brute?

[Kurt4253]

Not saying that that is the reason...... but the old journalism saw of "follow the money" should not too quickly be dismissed. Michigan is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, of the deer hunting states. In other words, a big rich market.

Would it be a surprise if manufacturers, or their surrogates, keep pumping the topic on forums as a way to 'front&face' the product to the market? Hellsbells, it's a lot cheaper than paying for advertising to the forum organizer or to the hookn'bullet magazines.

Stranger things have happened.

Cue the theme music to 'Jaws'.

No, - not at all true. --- The VAST majority of us that are advocating for the inclusion of crossbow are IN FACT conventional bow HUNTERS, - meaning that we got our start in bow hunting useing conventional archery equipment.

The reason that we now advocate for te inclusion of the crossbow is that most of us, for one reason or another have now qualified for hunting with crossbow through disabled permit.

As a result, - we know for A FACT, - that NOTHING changes just because a crossbow is used to hunt with.

Therefore, - there just simply is no reason to make people have to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to hunt with one.

I started hunting with a recurve 37 years ago & that is all I ever hunted with, - until 7 years ago when I injured my draw hand. - So I have been hunting for the last 7 years with a crossbow.

NOTHING has changed, - I still have to wait for EXACTLY the SAME shot, - & I MUST put EXACTLY the SAME skills to work to set up for that shot.

Another words, - I am still, - BOW HUNTING !!!!!!!!!

Kurt

[November Sunrise]

No, - not at all true. --- The VAST majority of us that are advocating for the inclusion of crossbow are IN FACT conventional bow HUNTERS, - meaning that we got our start in bow hunting useing conventional archery equipment.

The reason that we now advocate for te inclusion of the crossbow is that most of us, for one reason or another have now qualified for hunting with crossbow through disabled permit.

As a result, - we know for A FACT, - that NOTHING changes just because a crossbow is used to hunt with.

Therefore, - there just simply is no reason to make people have to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to hunt with one.

I started hunting with a recurve 37 years ago & that is all I ever hunted with, - until 7 years ago when I injured my draw hand. - So I have been hunting for the last 7 years with a crossbow.

NOTHING has changed, - I still have to wait for EXACTLY the SAME shot, - & I MUST put EXACTLY the SAME skills to work to set up for that shot.

Another words, - I am still, - BOW HUNTING !!!!!!!!!

Kurt

And with that, GrizzlyBear's rant about crossbow threads has officially turned into a crossbow thread:lol:. Ain't life grand?

[Munsterlndr]

A poster above posts:
"....there Fairfax...ever the more impressive considering that you remain all wet on this crossbow issue."


Et tu, Brute?

Ahhh, C'mon over to the dark side FF, the water is great and we have a nice big glass of Kool Aid just waiting for you. :lol:

Just think of all of those does that will get whacked by crossbow hunters, that ought to put a smile on your face! ;)

[November Sunrise]

Et tu, Brute?

:lol:. You win Fairfax. I've exhausted my attempts at witty comebacks, which are most likely finite in the same fashion as a young man's outrages (did I already mention how much I like that point about the finiteness of a man's outrages?), thus I shall now bow out of this thread.

Carry on fellas:).

[TOW]

FF -

Manufacturers lobbying for seasons that may benefit their business? Say it ain't so! :lol:

Roy case, owner of Case Broadheads, instrumental in getting the first archery only season established in this country, in Wisconsin, in 1932. Known as the "father" of bow hunting in Wisconsin.

Fred Bear, owner of Bear Archery, manufactured shooting gloves and bows, lobbied in both Wisconsin & Michigan for archery only seasons. Chiefly responsible for getting archery season in Michigan established in 1938.

Larry Whiffen, owner of Whiffen Archery, lobbied with Roy Case & Fred Bear for the establishment of the first archery only season in Wisconsin, the first in the country.

(Still waiting for a check from Barnett to appear!) :lol:

Don't forget Tom Jennings (Jennings Archery) and Pete Shepley (PSE) lobbying DNRs and legislatures to include COMPOUND BOWS as legal archery gear in the state's archery seasons....

[TOW]

No, - not at all true. --- The VAST majority of us that are advocating for the inclusion of crossbow are IN FACT conventional bow HUNTERS, - meaning that we got our start in bow hunting useing conventional archery equipment.

The reason that we now advocate for te inclusion of the crossbow is that most of us, for one reason or another have now qualified for hunting with crossbow through disabled permit.

As a result, - we know for A FACT, - that NOTHING changes just because a crossbow is used to hunt with.

Therefore, - there just simply is no reason to make people have to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to hunt with one.

I started hunting with a recurve 37 years ago & that is all I ever hunted with, - until 7 years ago when I injured my draw hand. - So I have been hunting for the last 7 years with a crossbow.

NOTHING has changed, - I still have to wait for EXACTLY the SAME shot, - & I MUST put EXACTLY the SAME skills to work to set up for that shot.

Another words, - I am still, - BOW HUNTING !!!!!!!!!

Kurt

Kurt,

You mirror my experiences exactly.

I was lied to and misinformed by a bunch or bowhunters and bowhunting organizations about thsie ev-i-i-i-l-l-l-l crossbows. I am now paying penance for all the disparaging things I said about crossbows when I was just using a vertical bow..