Oklahoma OK's Crossbows

[Riva]

Today, the Oklahoma State Senate voted to approve House Bill 2226 which will allow a person age 60 and older the right to hunt with a crossbow without restrictions and/or medical disability. The bill now goes to the Governor who has stated that he will sign it immediately.

O-K-L-A-H-O-M-A, OKLAHOMA OK!


:):):)

[MERGANZER]

Great! Now all the crossbow advocates from MI know where to put in for an out of state tag!

Ganzer

[DANIEL MARK ZAPOLSKI]

GREAT, i'll just forward that information to brady and rep. sheltron and the rest of our legislature. another state coming to their common senses, well, it is at least a start.:D

[marty]

Good for them:D. I miss oklahoma....m:D

[wally-eye]

Glad to see that some states have enough ballz to stand up to the lunatic fringe anti crossbow society and do what is right for the entire hunting society. Too bad Michigan still panders to the lunatics.............:confused::dizzy::rant:

[Riva]

Great! Now all the crossbow advocates from MI know where to put in for an out of state tag!

Ganzer

"Dad, I know that you are older now and your body isn't quite what it used to be. And, I also know that you paid your dues. Plus, I know how much you loved being out in the woods with your bow for all these years. Heck, Dad, you're the one that introduced me to this great sport way back when and, I'll never forget all the great times and joy that being in the woods with you has meant to me. It's something that I hope to pass on to my son or daughter someday. I love ya, Dad."

"But, Dad, the rules are the rules! And, if you can't pull your bow any longer just because you're older, that's no frick'n excuse. Sorry, pally, but your archery days all all done, as in read my lips; D-O-N-E Final! I hope that you hurry up and get sicker than shyt so you can get an x-bow permit. But, until that time, stay at frick'n home, will ya? You got old and, that's just tough, frick'n luck! Look...here's the bottom line...the woods are for the able-bodied and, I ain't ever gonna get old."

[michhank]

"Dad, I know that you are older now and your body isn't quite what it used to be. And, I also know that you paid your dues. Plus, I know how much you loved being out in the woods with your bow for all these years. Heck, you're the one that introduced me to this sport way back when and, I'll never forget all the great times and joy that being in the woods with you has meant to me. It's something that I hope to pass on to my son or daughter someday."

"But, Dad, rules are rules! And if you can't pull your bow any longer just because your older, that's no frick'n excuse. Sorry, pally, but your archery days all all done, as in read my lips; D-O-N-E Final! I hope that you hurry up and get sicker than shyt so you can get an x-bow permit. But until that time, stay at frick'n home, will ya. You got old and that that's just tuff luck. The woods are for the able-bodied and,I ain't ever gonna get old."


Very good.

[Falk]

That sounds like a great law. I think what a lot people want around here is a law with no age requirement. Age 60 would be very fair.

[MERGANZER]

RIVA cmon anytime anyplace I am so tired of you toughguy stances crossbows have thier place its with those who are incapable of pulling a bow and the seniors of our state give it a rest already

Ganzer

[Riva]

RIVA cmon anytime anyplace I am so tired of you toughguy stances crossbows have thier place its with those who are incapable of pulling a bow and the seniors of our state give it a rest already

Ganzer

Ganz,

Not sure if this is a challenge to a physical rumble or, an olive branch being passed my way. Please advise. We're missing a few commas and periods in your text and, it's difficult to understand the thrust of your message without the proper punctuation. .

r

[michhank]

Ganz,

Not sure if this is a challenge to a physical rumble or, an olive branch being passed my way. Please advise. We're missing a few commas and periods in your text and, it's difficult to understand the thrust of your message without the proper punctuation. .

r


Riva I think you made him feel bad.:rant:

[skipper34]

These threads seem to bring out the worse in emotional pleas. And the fact is, this is all they are. Emotional. No factual basis whatsoever. Forget the scientific data, the research, the other states whose crossbow legalization has made no difference whatsoever in the number of hunters or the total harvest per year. Truth is, those who oppose crossbows are groping for anything and everything that they can think of to quell their emotions on the matter. They know they are in a losing battle and they cannot come to grips with it. They dread the day when crossbows are legal for all hunters. It torments them to think that there are others who don't do things in life the way that they do. They will then have no choice but to live out their lives cursing the crossbow's very existence and cursing those who are hunting with them. They will spend the rest of their lives in misery. But the worse part of all this is not because they had lost the battle, it is because they did not get their own way. This is what they fear the most.

[wildcoy73]

RIVA cmon anytime anyplace I am so tired of you toughguy stances crossbows have thier place its with those who are incapable of pulling a bow and the seniors of our state give it a rest already

Ganzer

Riva might be the tough guy your after today, but what about the next day? Some one else will stand up for what is right, and you will still be fighting a battle that sportsmen should not be fighting.
I am glad to see that forward movement was made, but still sad to see limits put on a way someone can hunt. If and when the voice is heard Michigan will be a state for the crossbow user. We will need no age restriction, or a permit. We all will be able to use the weapon we choose. just like with the gun season.
If that was a threat to riva, you made that threat to many of us, and we as a group will stand with this fine sportsmen and support what is right.

[Whit1]

Great! Now all the crossbow advocates from MI know where to put in for an out of state tag!

Ganzer

It is for OK residents only.

[Whit1]

Guys and gals there have been posts in this thread that have been edited or deleted. This issue of crossbows is contensious, but it need not get personal. There are some of us that have made an effort to get a crossbow forum in MS. Obviously, because it hasn't come to pass, there has been some reistance. Some of that resistance is rooted in fears of having a crossbow thread turn into a decidedly uncivil war between two sides and that we won't have here in MS.

The hunting forum mods have been letting discussions go more than we were six months ago. Some of that is the result of MS member requests to do so. We've let forums get off-topic as well. As long as the discussions remain civil we will continue to let the flow of discussions move along.

[MERGANZER]

Riva, Its an olive branch I can debate issues with anyone but thats all it is a debate. Opinions vs opinions. I know your opinion and you know mine. Eventually it will be put to rest by a vote and then it will be settled. Until then it all just opinions.

Ganzer

[Riva]

Riva, Its an olive branch I can debate issues with anyone but thats all it is a debate. Opinions vs opinions. I know your opinion and you know mine. Eventually it will be put to rest by a vote and then it will be settled. Until then it all just opinions.

Ganzer

I concur, opinions are like people's butts; everybody has at least one of them!

Indeed, these are contentious issues and each side wishes to prevail. Sometimes a vigorous banter spills over into a personal diatribe that takes on its own life-form. Perhaps that occurred with my previous post however it was in fact, a somewhat misguided arrow shot at humor. Still, I could see that it could be perceived as being over the top. I apologize if offense was taken.

As for the issues, I think we both remain steadfast in our respective resolve. Please note, that in the dozens upon dozens of posts that I have scribed on this subject, plus my advocacy with those in the public office, that nowhere have I uttered a single syllable in support of unrestricted use of crossbows. NOT ONCE. My advocacy has been singularly focused upon expanding opportunity for those who have been dealt a bad set of cards by the Almighty, specifically: the disabled and to a certain degree, people of age. And, I will continue to do so.

Agree, these matters will ultimately be resolved by the powers that be and we'll all go back to what we all enjoy, wondering how and why we went through so many cramps while birthing this elephant. Like the great US statesman Dean Acheson wrote: "Controversial proposals, once accepted, soon become hallowed." It's all simply part of the process and, I expect it to be the case here, no matter how large or small the outcome is.

[MERGANZER]

FYI no offense taken. These can be heated debates if you have thin skin you should not partake. It is also difficult to convey humor through text. People read it as they want it to be intended.

Ganzer

[skipper34]

To me it is refreshing to see that there are some individuals on this forum who can debate these topics with some sense of intelligence. I salute you both for keeping this controversial subject in context and for your intellect as to the topic of discussion.

[One Eye]

Sure glad I live in MICHIGAN, not Oklahoma.

BTW, age will never fly as a determination for this. Too easy to challenge based on equal protection. You may want to actually read the state constitution sometime. Interesting stuff in there.

Dan

[Riva]

Governor signed it yesterday. It is now legal for anyone 60 and over to use a crossbow during archery season in OK!

:):)

[swoosh]

Riva

I just checked my map and OK is gone, wipe off the map. CrossBows took out the entire state:lol:

oneeye we are glad you live in MI also, I cannot not wait to see you blow a gasket when it becomes legal in MI.

It's only matter of time;)

[Riva]

Riva

I just checked my map and OK is gone, wipe off the map. CrossBows took out the entire state:lol:

oneeye we are glad you live in MI also, I cannot not wait to see you blow a gasket when it becomes legal in MI.

It's only matter of time;)

just remember, gracious in victory and humble in defeat.

[MERGANZER]

Riva

I just checked my map and OK is gone, wipe off the map. CrossBows took out the entire state:lol:

oneeye we are glad you live in MI also, I cannot not wait to see you blow a gasket when it becomes legal in MI.

It's only matter of time;)


Yeah and then we can all stand around the buckpole and say "oh you shot it with a crossbow? well hell that don't count" I can't wait either swoosh, next time rally for hand grenades I mean cmon they are a challenging weopon too right?


You also have Rompola in your avatar that can be very telling on where you stand IMHO!


Ganzer

[Riva]

Yeah and then we can all stand around the buckpole and say "oh you shot it with a crossbow? well hell that don't count" I can't wait either swoosh, next time rally for hand grenades I mean cmon they are a challenging weopon too right?


You also have Rompola in your avatar that can be very telling on where you stand IMHO!


Ganzer

:sad::sad::sad:

[swoosh]

Yeah and then we can all stand around the buckpole and say "oh you shot it with a crossbow? well hell that don't count" I can't wait either swoosh, next time rally for hand grenades I mean cmon they are a challenging weopon too right?


You also have Rompola in your avatar that can be very telling on where you stand IMHO!


Ganzer

keep my boy mitch out of this, LOL

I don't measure kills by weapon or tactic, I measure them by the smile on the hunters face;) Hunting is suppose to be fun, and who has the right to judge a kill of anyone or lesson it by weapon?

When you figure out hunting is suppose to be fun, you'll understand:)

Riva I am going to go buy a Cross Bow and shoot a deer with it:lol: Then put a picture of me with my deer and Xbow in my Avatar;) With a Note

This one's for Dan:D

[michigandeerslayer]

I don't measure kills by weapon or tactic, I measure them by the smile on the hunters face;) Hunting is suppose to be fun, and who has the right to judge a kill of anyone or lesson it by weapon?

When you figure out hunting is suppose to be fun, you'll understand:)


Well said well said

[MERGANZER]

Trust me Swoosh I have fun hunting but it is supposed to be a challenge as well as fun. Lets leave some of the challenge of archery in archery season. Thats all I am saying. Again I say senior citizens and the disabled should be permitted to use crossbows but I think the rest of the population should learn to use a "bow" or wait till gun season.

Ganzer

[Swamp Ghost]

I don't measure kills by weapon or tactic, I measure them by the smile on the hunters face;) Hunting is suppose to be fun, and who has the right to judge a kill of anyone or lesson it by weapon?

When you figure out hunting is suppose to be fun, you'll understand:)

Riva I am going to go buy a Cross Bow and shoot a deer with it:lol: Then put a picture of me with my deer and Xbow in my Avatar;) With a Note

This one's for Dan:D

Hunting is fun. I bet it would be real fun to use my .257 Roberts in Oct.

For some reason the DNR chose to have seperate seasons for different weapons.

For some reason big game record book organizations choose to separate records by weapon used.

No one should lessen a kill by what weapon was used, but to sit there and say that killing a deer with a bow and killing a deer with a gun (especially in MI) is the same experience and takes the same skill is in denial.

[swoosh]

That's why we live in USA, so we can have choices:)

The fun part is the challenge for you(and me). Which is why I am hunting mature bucks only.

To some the fun part is going out, throwing out a few apples and whacking a deer. We could debate for hours what is a challenge and what is not. I spent the weekend looking for a mature deer to hunt in NLP, you know what I found him;)

Some guys spend 5 mins setting up a spot on Sept 30th, and may kill a deer Oct 1st. Does this meet your challenge meter?

Some say we have horn envy, I disagree we have challenge envy is this state. Everyone is trying to out challenge the next guy.

Challenge part of hunting should be personel and decided by the hunter. I have two challenges I am working at. They are my own and I will share them with you guys.

1. I want to shoot a 150+ buck in NLP off of public Ground(Huron National Forest)
2. I want to shoot the state record buck with a bow.

Everything I do these days is to work towards those two goals. Does this make me "more" of a hunter than my buddy at work? All he wants to do is shoot some deer and have fun. He brought me jerky today, it's really good:)

[Swamp Ghost]

Challenge meters are an individual thing.

Different weapons in different seasons effect hunters as a whole, there is a reason they are separate and it should stay that way.

You can use a crossbow in firearm season, where they belong.

If the crossbow guys want a separate season, they should pursue it.

Just keep 'em out of BOW season.

[swoosh]

Challenge meters are an individual thing.

Different weapons in different seasons effect hunters as a whole, there is a reason they are separate and it should stay that way.

You can use a crossbow in firearm season, where they belong.

If the crossbow guys want a separate season, they should pursue it.

Just keep 'em out of BOW season.

Or go to Ohio:lol:

[twodogsphil]

I believe that the early antlerless firearm season coming to Southern Michigan is an any legal weapon season that will be open to crosssbows.

[Swamp Ghost]

Or go to Ohio:lol:

And enjoy less hunters on top of it......

[swampbuck]

a separate season is a good idea. How about oct. 22-nov.14

[Swamp Ghost]

a separate season is a good idea. How about oct. 22-nov.14

See that would be BOW season. I'd suggest a time frame not currently occupied by a deer season.

[swoosh]

09/01 - 9/30

:)

[Swamp Ghost]

09/01 - 9/30

:)

Whatever floats your boat, I'd probably buy a crossbow. One more month of deer hunting, nice!

[swoosh]

Whatever floats your boat, I'd probably buy a crossbow. One more month of deer hunting, nice!


It's all about you;)

[swampbuck]

I was joking. but a separate season would be fine it could go from oct1-dec 31 and run concurently with the other seasons that are open during that time. Such as duck,small game, m.l deer,rifle deer and archery deer. nobody has theyre own season never had-never will, so get over it.

[Swamp Ghost]

I was joking. but a separate season would be fine it could go from oct1-dec 31 and run concurently with the other seasons that are open during that time. Such as duck,small game, m.l deer,rifle deer and archery deer. nobody has theyre own season never had-never will, so get over it.

BOWhunters do and I intend to keep it that way.

The pursuit of other game in concurrently running seasons is a non-factor.

oct1-dec 31 you can hunt deer uninterrupted that whole time frame, all you have to do is pick up a BOW.

[michigandeerslayer]

oh here we go again, its all about your season. Well guess what there are more pepple in the woods other then you:)

[Swamp Ghost]

oh here we go again, its all about your season. Well guess what there are more pepple in the woods other then you:)

Nope, it's all about BOWseason and BOWhunters.

[michigandeerslayer]

There is enough to share:D

[awshucks]

I'm good to go in Ok. Even though I'm over 60 and don't qualify age wise, [residents only], I have a dinged rotor cuff and the paper work to prove it, so at my bi-monthly exam w/ my Dr. this am, I got a letter which Ok recognizes from a bordering state.

La. was a different story, they only allow letters from La doctors, which was very cost prohibitive for me to even try to obtain.

[Swamp Ghost]

There is enough to share:D


I agree and so does the MiDNR; hence, seperate seasons for different weapons.

[DANIEL MARK ZAPOLSKI]

there's something to be said about RECIPROCITY. it would be nice if all the states had it in regards to crossbows, handguns, and hunting rights.

[7MM Magnum]

Nope, it's all about BOWseason and BOWhunters.


Swamp,.. STILL beating that same ol' drum huh? :lol:

I thought you learned that a crossBOW IS a bow from the last debate a while ago. :rolleyes:


Now lets reiterate,..

CrossBOW : Launches a tipped SHAFT using the energy thats stored in it's LIMBS via a STRING.

Firearm : Propels a lead / copper projectile down a length of a cylinder which is normally rifled, and just a tad smaller in diameter than the projectiles diameter to help enhance the built up pressures developed by the IGNITION of chemical elements that are contained within a confined area just behind the the projectile.


Boy,.. now those comparisons are really similar now aren't they.:rolleyes::lol::16suspect


Whether you like it or not,.. your going to be seeing crossBOWs in archery season in the near future,.. and all your whining about it won't change the inevitable. :gaga:

[Swamp Ghost]

Here is a government definition for you...Ohio, defines a bow as:

Quote:
Longbow or BOW means a device for propelling an arrow by means of limbs, and a string which is hand held, hand drawn, and held in a drawn position by hand or a hand held mechanical release.


And here is how they define crossbow:

Quote:
CROSSBOW means a device for propelling an arrow by means of traverse limbs and a string, mounted on a stock at least twenty-five inches in length, and having a working safety.


Ohio may ALLOW crossbows in the archery season in Ohio....but even they do not claim they are the same.

[Swamp Ghost]

Whether you like it or not,.. your going to be seeing crossBOWs in archery season in the near future,.. and all your whining about it won't change the inevitable. :gaga:

By the looks of that NJ survey, BOWhunters don't have a thing to worry about.

[7MM Magnum]

By the looks of that NJ survey, BOWhunters don't have a thing to worry about.



Swamp,.... you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that. :lol::lol::lol: Just keep clicking those ruby slippers of yours.

This is MICHIGAN,... :evil:

[Swamp Ghost]

Swamp,.... you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that. :lol::lol::lol: Just keep clicking those ruby slippers of yours.

This is MICHIGAN,... :evil:

This is why I have absolutely NO concerns whatsoever:evilsmile

[7MM Magnum]

This is why I have absolutely NO concerns whatsoever:evilsmile



Sure doesn't sound that way,... :lol: You've been whining about this ever since the crossBOW during archery season topic came into the lime light.

Personally,.. as far as I'm concerned, they should allow them for BOTH seasons,... ARCHERY and FIREARMS. As the proposal stands a person with those kinds of limitations by law SHOULD be able to utilize them and hunt with them no matter which season it is. The more time in the field for them the better. :D :coolgleam

[Munsterlndr]

This is why I have absolutely NO concerns whatsoever:evilsmile

Hmmm, ...it does not sound like you are as unconcerned as you would lead us to believe, at least not according to the tone of your recent post on another (unmentionable) hunting forum. :lol: I think someone is reading the writing on the wall.

SO it's the attitude of MI hunters that has to change, especially in it's BOW hunters. As long as MI hunter's refuse to change it's the MI BOW hunter that is going to suffer. Longer firearm seasons, earlier firearm seasons and admission of non-BOWs into BOW season. MI BOW hunters should be championing new deer management strategies with their existing weapons and seasons. If they don't others will seize on that opportunity to chip away at a season BOW hunters hold so dear. It's already happening and like it our not, it's our fault.

Well, at least now we know who to blame. :lol:

[Swamp Ghost]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swamp Ghost
SO it's the attitude of MI hunters that has to change, especially in it's BOW hunters. As long as MI hunter's refuse to change it's the MI BOW hunter that is going to suffer. Longer firearm seasons, earlier firearm seasons and admission of non-BOWs into BOW season. MI BOW hunters should be championing new deer management strategies with their existing weapons and seasons. If they don't others will seize on that opportunity to chip away at a season BOW hunters hold so dear. It's already happening and like it our not, it's our fault.


I think it deserves a sticky.

BOWhunting in this state has suffered from a multitude factors. Much of which can be lain at the feet of it's hunters and the agency managing them. Another weapon in a MI hunter's arsenal will do nothing to combat these problems.

Better to be proactive than reactive.....