Should We Start Xbow Assn. in MI.

[beervo2]

Hello everybody, I was talking to Aweshucks today, and he said he thinks we should come up with away to start a CB association here in MI. and I think its a great idea. I have no knowledge about how to do this , but after reading all these post about CB s I can tell we have some leaders here who can help with this subject , I sure would be willing to do my part to help & more . I would really like to hear what you think & if you think we could start a CB association . I know it would'nt be easy to do but I think it's something we must do. There's more power in #s and we really need to find away to make ourselfs be heard..

[SpawnSac27]

The start of a Xbow association is a great idea! I am going to look into it more. My dad has a permanently torn rotator cuff and hunts with a Xbow, and the start of an association would be cool!

[CL-Lewiston]

There is a bow assn in MI.

Michigan Bow Hunters

When the compound bow came along the users did not start a new assn just joined MBH. The CB is just a different kind of bow.

To compliment what I said above-in the late 50s most ALL hunters shot instinctive--NO SIGHTS. Now a hunter without a sight is some kind of freak. The assns took sight shooters in with open arms-so to with crossbows.

[beervo2]

MBH - Does not recognize ALL xbow shooters DISABLED or NOT !!! I feel a xbow assn. in MI. would give EVERYBODY that wants to use an xbow a voice to be heard. It's to bad MBH won't do that..Just my opinion ..

[Whit1]

Concerning bow and bow hunting associations here's some contact information that you might want to look at.

Horizontal Bowhunter (this is the magazine of the American Crossbow Federation)
http://www.horizontalbowhunter.com/ (http://www.horizontalbowhunter.com/)

Kurt sent me several copies of this publication and I found it a very worthwhile, informative magazine for anyone interested in crossbows. I would also suggest that those who may not currently be interested (and even, perhaps anti-crossbow), but have an open mind, are willing to listen, and who would like to learn more about crossbows even if have their mind is threatened with change (heaven forbid if THAT would ever happen to us :lol:...((all in good humor)), look into this site and the magazine.

If you are interested in learning more about the growth and advancement of crossbows and their use I'd suggest that you contact the American Crossbow Federation at 320-634-3660 or email them at bowtwang@runestone.net for more information.

Other bowing organizatons that might be of interest for Michigan folks would be:

Michigan Bow Hunters
http://www.michiganbowhunters.com/about.asp (http://www.michiganbowhunters.com/about.asp)

Michigan Traditional Bow Hunters
http://www.mitraditionalbow.com/ (http://www.mitraditionalbow.com/)

Yes, I do understand that the latter two organizations have not been the friendliest places for crossbow enthusiasts, but in the interest of the sharing of information I thought it best to include them in this post.

[CL-Lewiston]

Not surprised about MBH opposing xbows.

We parted ways back in the early 70's when they opposed carrying a handgun when bow hunting. Im sure many do but the logic is flawed.

[weatherby]

The start of a Xbow association is a great idea! I am going to look into it more. and the start of an association would be cool!

Ditto

[One Eye]

MBH - Does not recognize ALL xbow shooters DISABLED or NOT !!! I feel a xbow assn. in MI. would give EVERYBODY that wants to use an xbow a voice to be heard. It's to bad MBH won't do that..Just my opinion ..

MBH is an archery hunting association, NOT a crossbow or firearm hunting association. I would be happy to send you a copy of our Constitution if you would like.

Point of correction: MBH does support crossbow use for disabled hunters. MBH helped write the current rules and we are also involved in making it easier for disabled hunters to get crossbow permits. Don't believe everything you hear!

Dan Frein

[malainse]

MBH is an archery hunting association, NOT a crossbow or firearm hunting association. Point of correction: MBH does support crossbow use for disabled hunters. MBH helped write the current rules and we are also involved in making it easier for disabled hunters to get crossbow permits. Don't believe everything you hear!

Dan Frein

Not looking to start a debate in this thread but.....

Based on the above it is even more reason to start a crossbow association in Michigan.. To look out for the best interest of the person wanting to use a crossbow....

[beervo2]

Hi Dan, I am not here to argue with you or anybody else, I used to belong to MBH a few yrs back, but I quit because I didn't believe in everthing they stood for , I've read other posts on here where people have quit for the same reason..As far as MBH and the disabled hunter, if MBH helped come up with the 80% rule, I would love to see them help lower it there are far to many people being left behind . I also don't believe it is easy to get a xbow permit , it is far from easy to get one, I would love to see MBH help make it easier to get one. I hunted with a compound for 28 yrs before I tore up both shoulders even setting out 4 seasons 02-05 because i did not want to get a xbow permit finally giving in because I realized it was the only way I would be able to enjoy archery sea again. Untill you have to set out a hunting sea. you will never know the feeling. I have been thru the process of getting a permit and it is not easy..If MI. had its own xbow assn. we would not need MBH to speak up for us we could do it ourselfs!!!

[10PtCrossbow]

I would suggest getting a hold of Dan Hendricks of the American Crossbow Federation. He has helped states get chapters started and they continue to grow. You can get him through the Horizontal Bowhunter link a few comments up. He is a great guy! Not every member of MBH is anti-crossbow. They should really do a poll of all their members before they assume that all are anti. The chiefs arecertainly against it though.

[Whit1]

I would suggest getting a hold of Dan Hendricks of the American Crossbow Federation. He has helped states get chapters started and they continue to grow. You can get him through the Horizontal Bowhunter link a few comments up. He is a great guy! Not every member of MBH is anti-crossbow. They should really do a poll of all their members before they assume that all are anti. The chiefs arecertainly against it though.


I did email him a couple of weeks ago telling him about this thread, but to date have not received a reply.

[10PtCrossbow]

I spoke with him yesterday, so he is around. I would try him again or call him. I think his number is on the Hor. Bowhunter website.

[beervo2]

I have already talked to Dan, last week, & he gave me the following info , the ACF has filed paper work to become a non profit org. & there will be a name change, I think he said to the NCF or NCA not sure which one the good news is he said we will be able to form our own state chapters like the NWTF..Then we will be able to have our own voice. Updates on this will coming in the magazine(HB). PLEASE EVERYONE if you are not a member of the ACF JOIN NOW .

[wildcoy73]

I am in. I have sent out for some info to get this started, I believe if we can get hooked up with a national group our voices will be better heard, and this bias law against crossbows will be change before 2010. The wheel are in motion and we just need to show the support as a group that this will be the next thing for the Michigan hunter. I will let everyone know when I get more info. If i have to we could start from the ground up, and i am willing to do this if need be.

[jlock]

My opinion is " NO ". I believe disabled hunters should have the right but regular guy's with no physical problems should just man up. I would have no problem with guy's using it during gun or muzzle loader season but to have it's own season would be a bad thing for numerous reasons. I would donate my money to fight this movement.

[Danatodd99]

My opinion is " NO ". I believe disabled hunters should have the right but regular guy's with no physical problems should just man up. I would have no problem with guy's using it during gun or muzzle loader season but to have it's own season would be a bad thing for numerous reasons. I would donate my money to fight this movement.

:rolleyes: :rant:

This is amazing ..... saying that you would fight people who are fellow hunters.
Way to go.
Hey .... while we're at it, let's stop hunters from using rifled black powder guns because they are rifled, therefore should not be used in the shotgun zones. I think it should be shotgun only !! I don't, but you see my point.
personally I really don't care who hunts with what.

WHY CAN'T WE ALL STOP INFIGHTING AND HELP EACHOTHER OUT.

[DANIEL MARK ZAPOLSKI]

let us know when a michigan chapter starts, thats when the HAMMER will meet the NAILHEAD IN LANSNG!!!

[sullyxlh]

How about a Slingshot or Spearing Asscociation too for that matter....

[Riva]

My opinion is " NO ". I believe disabled hunters should have the right but regular guy's with no physical problems should just man up. I would have no problem with guy's using it during gun or muzzle loader season but to have it's own season would be a bad thing for numerous reasons. I would donate my money to fight this movement.

I think the original poster merely asked the question if there was an interest in forming a crossbow association. I would hope that one's personal feeling's about crossbows, pro or con, should not hinder that effort or, at least I would hope so.

Also, appreciate your position regarding disabled hunters however; I have to disagree with you on your choice of words. I don't perceive a person having no physical problems to be "regular" inasmuch as I don't perceive persons having a disability as "irregular", as it implies. Just the same as another poster to a crossbow forum recently stated that he prays for "them" "(disabled persons) everyday. While being a small issue to some, these little words simply work to reinforce negative stereotypes as a well as to stunt equal opportunity. You say "that's a bunch of hooey" and that's because these words do not affect you. I can tell you with 100% degree of certainty, they do indeed affect all the irregular people.

As far as donating your money to fight this movement, there are numerous organizations and association vigilantly working to do exactly that. Just remember before you write that check, that these same organizations are working to make it even more difficult for persons with a disability to hunt with a crossbow than what currently exists. You should know that part of every dollar you might give to them goes to that effort as well. :)

[SpawnSac27]

I am done reading this thread. Those of you who oppose crossbows have no proof and no reasoning. You are simply afraid of change. I will not ever hunt with a crossbow unless I physically can not shoot my compound. I have shot the best of the best in crossbows, a Ten Point Phantom Elite. There is no advantage. It is heavy, awkward, no more accurate than my compound, no more range than my compound, and it's loud. But I support opening the use of them up to everyone. There is just no reason not to. Obtaining a permit is just too difficult and too much money!

[wildcoy73]

My opinion is " NO ". I believe disabled hunters should have the right but regular guy's with no physical problems should just man up. I would have no problem with guy's using it during gun or muzzle loader season but to have it's own season would be a bad thing for numerous reasons. I would donate my money to fight this movement.

hmmmmmm this about a group of us wanting to get together, and help protect the right to hunt. Than comes the few that say they will donate money to fight this, well please watch where that mighty dollar goes. For every effert spent on stopping crossbow, is also an effert to help and fuel the end of all hunting. We as sportspeople need to unite and quit this fighting from with in. If we do not join up we can kiss hunting good bye as we fuel those that want to take that from us

[DANIEL MARK ZAPOLSKI]

My opinion is " NO ". I believe disabled hunters should have the right but regular guy's with no physical problems should just man up. I would have no problem with guy's using it during gun or muzzle loader season but to have it's own season would be a bad thing for numerous reasons. I would donate my money to fight this movement.

hope you got a LOT OF MONEY, because YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE BIGTIME!!:lol:

well enough of these people who cannot READ ENGLISH. :dizzy:this thread is about those who WISH TO START A CROSSBOW ORGANIZATION IN MICHIGAN:woohoo1:

[Riva]

How about a Slingshot or Spearing Association too for that matter....

http://www.slingshots.net/nca.htm

http://www.worldatlatl.org/

plus, you might want to check this one out too:

http://www.mensa.org/:dizzy:

[beervo2]

well enough of these people who cannot READ ENGLISH. :dizzy:this thread is about those who WISH TO START A CROSSBOW ORGANIZATION IN MICHIGAN:woohoo1:
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This arrow has already been shot, the ball is rolling, there will be a xbow assn. in MI. so get use to the idea. It's always nice to know who the anti- hunters are if you are stopping me or anybody else from using a crossbow during archery sea. than you are a ANTI-HUNTER period..:yikes:

[Neal]

For every effert spent on stopping crossbow, is also an effert to help and fuel the end of all hunting. We as sportspeople need to unite and quit this fighting from with in. If we do not join up we can kiss hunting good bye as we fuel those that want to take that from us

It's always nice to know who the anti- hunters are if you are stopping me or anybody else from using a crossbow during archery sea. than you are a ANTI-HUNTER period..:yikes:

So arguing about weapons in different seasons makes someone a Anti- hunter?:confused:

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233132

[wildcoy73]

So arguing about weapons in different seasons makes someone a Anti- hunter?:confused:

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233132

Neal did I say anti hunter? No I did not, what i said is to fight ones choice of weapon is helping to fuel those groups. Money spent to stop away of hunting will be seen be the antis and for a sportsmen to do this is wrong with me. My money and support will always be behind the sportsmen, than it is up to me if i choose to go that way or not. No one is saying with the passing of crossbows that someone has to give up the way they hunt.

[beervo2]

It's always nice to know who the anti- hunters are if you are stopping me or anybody else from using a crossbow during archery sea. than you are a ANTI-HUNTER period..:yikes:

Hey guys , maybe I used the word anti- hunter a little to loosely ,I was having a bad morning if I offened anybody I didn't mean to everybody has a right to there own opinion.
I just feel there are to many people that don't qualify under the 80% disability rule and have to sit out archery sea. because they can not pull there bows back & there are a lot of people with no disability that just want to hunt a xbow . There should be a freedom of choice to use any type of bow you want & if we can't have that than I feel there is a need to start a xbow assn. here in MI. Please lets get back to what this thread was about.
Like I said earlier SORRY if i offended anybody..

[jlock]

Beervo2, did not take your anti hunter shot personaly. I understand this is your view whether I think it is right or wrong. I would like to say I am not opposed to using x bows at all. I just do not think we should have a special season for it. I admit I might be under - educated on x bows and what real advantages they have or don't have. This is something I will look into. I also want to say that I would never give money to any anti hunting group no matter what. I would give my money to a hunting organiztion against the proposal of a new season for x bows. I also believe if the DNR 80% rule is to strict then lets lower it. This rule should never drive people from hunting. My personal opinion and feelings is that the x bow isjust not the same as pulling back the string at the moment of truth. I bought into the whole Fred Bear theme and what hunting means and sorry if it offends people but that is just how I feel.

[Liv4Huntin']

...... there all ready is one. It's called the archery season. Crossbows should be included in archery season... period. The crossbow is one of the oldest pieces of archery equipment in existance.

But if you feel there should be one (a special crossbow season) we'll take the first week of November. (Hey, It's just a week!)

(Sorry, just had to speak .... don't mean to stir the hive.) We need to be heard.

YES for a Michigan Crossbow Association. I've spoken with Dan ..... very nice and helpful individual.

CROSSBOWS FOR ALL that want to use them! NO scientific reason not to!!
~ m ~

[Neal]

Neal did I say anti hunter? No I did not, what i said is to fight ones choice of weapon is helping to fuel those groups. Money spent to stop away of hunting will be seen be the antis and for a sportsmen to do this is wrong with me. My money and support will always be behind the sportsmen, than it is up to me if i choose to go that way or not. No one is saying with the passing of crossbows that someone has to give up the way they hunt.

Did you say anti-hunter? No. You stated the quote above that to fight ones choice of weapons is hurting hunting, meanwhile you start a thread condeming the use of firearms in the early season and "how could we let this happen"

I posted the link in my previous post, but it may not have worked.

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233132

Really didn't mean to redirect this thread, but I thought it needed pointing out.

[beervo2]

FREEDOM Of CHOICE THATS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT !!
(from here on referred to as FOC)
How many of you anti-xbow people use an in-line muzzleloader during shotgun & muzzleloading season? Why, because it gives you an advantage ...you can reach out & touch that deer alot farther away, & that's ok because it's your FOC to do so.
So why can't xbow people have the same FOC to use a xbow during your archery season? Is it because your afraid someone may shoot your deer? It must be, because you have no facts to say otherwise.
A xbow has nowhere near the advantage over a compound as a inline does over a shotgun or traditional muzzler.
The majority of you that are against xbows have never shot one....you're like a little kid that won't eat his veggies because he doesn't like them, but yet he's never tried them.
As it stands now, you have to have an 80% disability to use a xbow during your archery season & I don't understand why. Xbows are not the magic weapon some people think they are, they're heavy, awkward & noisey. How many arrows can you shoot out of your vertical bow in a 20min. session? A xbow user can only shoot maybe a quarter of the amount you do (very frustrating). If you are in a treestand, your shooting lanes are very limited. You can't shoot behind you because the xbow limbs will no doubt hit the tree. You will never get a second shot because of the noise & too much motion in trying to recock the xbow. My cousin, due to disability, uses a xbow & his saying is "if I didn 't have to use this damn thing, I'd wrap it around a tree!" And I know many other xbow hunters that feel the same way, as there is no 'advantage' to using one. We wish there were no such thing as being physically unable, due to age, injury or illness that forces us to cast our verticals aside & pickup a xbow. But the CHOICE of weapon should be an individual's decision.
But if you CHOOSE to use a xbow during archery season, you should have that CHOICE. Since we don't have our FOC to use what type of bow we want to use during your archery season we need a way to be heard. The only way we will be heard is with our own xbow association here in Mich.
Remenber, if you CHOOSE to use a vertical bow, you have that right. All we're asking for is OUR right to be able to CHOOSE to use a xbow. And how DARE anyone say we should not have our FOC. We are ALL hunters & we need to stand together! The xbow is not the end of the world!
Please people, if you want to help get our FOC, join the ACF. Call Dan Hendricks 320-634-3660 :help:

[Whit1]

Let's get this thread back on topic. There are plenty of opportunities to debate the issue of crossbows, there full inclusion in the archery season, and/or adjustments that need/or not to be made in the regulations governing crossbow use by disabled hunters.