Dontrelle Donk-down

[augustus0603]

What a bummer. When it rains it pours. It looks like he came down the wrong way on his leg. Hopefully not as bad as it looks.

Lopez looked good when he came in. I'm holding my breath with this guy, but he's looking good so far.

[augustus0603]

Hyper extended right knee. Might not be that bad. Lopez has only given up one run of his own. That's outstanding for this bullpen.

They're making Contreras look like he's pitching for the Cuban national team again. Wait a minute...

Leadoff double for Renteria.

[lookin for the gills]

Inge has been huge for us so far this year. I bet by the time everyone else comes around Inge will be back to his normal .180 average.

[wild bill]

lopez did his job and grilli is doing his usual.:dizzy:

[Nascar31Fan]

lopez did his job and grilli is doing his usual.:dizzy:

If Grilli has a job at the end of the month, I'm going to kick Dombroski a**! You think Jones gives you a heart attack!? Grilli couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat!

[augustus0603]

If Grilli has a job at the end of the month, I'm going to kick Dombroski a**! You think Jones gives you a heart attack!? Grilli couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat!

Polish your boots. He actually pitched pretty good in the 6th and 7th tonight. I hate to say it, but they actually need him if he can throw like that. 10 games and they haven't got a quality start out of their rotation. That makes for a long season.

[Michihunter]

Best thing that could have happened to the Tigs tonight in my opinion. The way Willis was throwing, he may never had gotten an out anyway.:rolleyes:

[radiohead]

I thought that was a pretty gutsy win for the Tig's. Hopefully this will give the much-maligned bullpen a shot in the arm going forward. This would have been an easy game to fold, hopefully this is a catalyst for them getting back on track.

[William H Bonney]

,,,, 10 games and they haven't got a quality start out of their rotation. That makes for a long season.

:confused: The first 2 games of the season looked pretty good to me,,,,

[DE82]

:confused: The first 2 games of the season looked pretty good to me,,,,The first week of the season they got quality starts from everybody but D-train. :rolleyes:

[y2ba]

The first week of the season they got quality starts from everybody but D-train. :rolleyes:

In the stat department...they have one quality start all yr..and that came from Kenny Rogers. Did the starters pitch well enough to win in the first week? Sure.....but those arent quality starts. The starters are hurting big time right now. If they continue to throw over 200 pitches a game as a team....there wont be a pitcher on the team who will be effective come july. Im tired of watching the pitchers go to a full count on every other hitter. Time for these guys to step up and attack some hitters.

[DE82]

In the stat department...they have one quality start all yr..and that came from Kenny Rogers. Did the starters pitch well enough to win in the first week? Sure.....but those arent quality starts. The starters are hurting big time right now. If they continue to throw over 200 pitches a game as a team....there wont be a pitcher on the team who will be effective come july. Im tired of watching the pitchers go to a full count on every other hitter. Time for these guys to step up and attack some hitters.A quality start is one where you give your team a shot at winning. If they are keeping the runs under 5 that's a good start with this offense. Verlanders first game was good, second game, not bad. Only 4 earned runs in both. His first he walked one and struck out 6. Pitching was good when they were 0-6. Hitting was the problem. - Bryon

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[William H Bonney]

Well,,, we won't have to worry about the D-Train for a while,,,, 15 days anyway.

[dlbaldwin01]

Maybe when Granderson comes back Inge can take over D-trains spot in the rotation.:lol: I don't believe that it is the starting pitching that is the problem. How about this supposed new murders row, oh wait they were almost no hit yesterday by some third or fourth starter. Come on Tigs lets go!

[fish eater]

A quality start is one where you give your team a shot at winning. If they are keeping the runs under 5 that's a good start with this offense. Verlanders first game was good, second game, not bad. Only 4 earned runs in both. His first he walked one and struck out 6. Pitching was good when they were 0-6. Hitting was the problem. - Bryon



I'm sorry but that is incorrect.

A quality start is when a starting pitcher pitches 6 complete innings and surrenders 3 earned runs or less. The Detroit Tigers have 1 QS for the season. BOTH pitching and Hitting have been awful. Verlly has an ERA over 6 and a half.:sad:

[D-Fresh]

I'm sorry but that is incorrect.

A quality start is when a starting pitcher pitches 6 complete innings and surrenders 3 earned runs or less. The Detroit Tigers have 1 QS for the season. BOTH pitching and Hitting have been awful. Verlly has an ERA over 6 and a half.:sad:


A starting pitcher can go 6 innings????????:dizzy::dizzy: I didn't know that was possible! Yes, that is the correct definition of a "quality start" Verlander pitched a decent game yesterday, however he still blew up in the 8th and cost the team any chance of coming back! Alot of factors went into the decision to keep him out there....pen is shot, weather was bad so the just wanted to get out of that inning/game as fast as possible, he gave us the best chance to get out of the jam, all of the baserunners were his responsibility, etc. But the bottom line is 7 2/3 innings giving up 6 or 7 ER or whatever the hell it ended up being is a not acceptable! It doesn't matter in they are in the 8th inning or the 1st, it means the same thing in the final stats! Verlander and the rest of the starters need to get their heads out of their respective *****E$! (along with the rest of the team AND the manager!)

[DE82]

I'm sorry but that is incorrect.

A quality start is when a starting pitcher pitches 6 complete innings and surrenders 3 earned runs or less. The Detroit Tigers have 1 QS for the season. BOTH pitching and Hitting have been awful. Verlly has an ERA over 6 and a half.:sad:In your opinion, according to all the baseball experts on ESPN as well as myself pitching hasn't been the problem. A Pitchers job is TO GIVE HIS TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN. It's that simple. Verlander has done that and his ERA is not indicative to how he's pitched. He was lights out yesterday until Jim Left him in when he shouldn't have, his pitch count was over 100 and he had hit two batters. You're making it seam like Verlander has pitched bad, he hasn't. He's undoubtedly been their best pitcher and is their ace. Pitching isn't the problem, Hitting is. I don't care if you give up 389 runs in a game if you can't score one. His games are 7-0 loss, 5-4 loss and 2-13 loss. He didn't allow the 5th run in the 5-4 loss. He only had 4 EARNED runs in the 2-13 loss. The offense has been the problem not him. - Bryon

[fish eater]

In your opinion, according to all the baseball experts on ESPN as well as myself pitching hasn't been the problem. A Pitchers job is TO GIVE HIS TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN. It's that simple. Verlander has done that and his ERA is not indicative to how he's pitched. He was lights out yesterday until Jim Left him in when he shouldn't have, his pitch count was over 100 and he had hit two batters. You're making it seam like Verlander has pitched bad, he hasn't. He's undoubtedly been their best pitcher and is their ace. Pitching isn't the problem, Hitting is. I don't care if you give up 389 runs in a game if you can't score one. His games are 7-0 loss, 5-4 loss and 2-13 loss. He didn't allow the 5th run in the 5-4 loss. He only had 4 EARNED runs in the 2-13 loss. The offense has been the problem not him. - Bryon


#1-I'm not giving you an opinion. I'm giving you a fact. I gave you the MLB definition of a Quality Start.

#2-I didn't mean to sound as if I was just singling out Verlly. All of the pitching (and the bats) have been bad. However, Verlly hasn't been that great. You call him our ace? Yeah, figuratively speaking he is. But.....the fact of the matter is....he has an ERA over 6 and a half. You can make excuses for him all you want, but........

#3-Is there any thread in this forum, the Red Wings forum, and the LSC warmwater forum that you haven't turned into an argument???:dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:

[DE82]

#1-I'm not giving you an opinion. I'm giving you a fact. I gave you the MLB definition of a Quality Start.

#2-I didn't mean to sound as if I was just singling out Verlly. All of the pitching (and the bats) have been bad. However, Verlly hasn't been that great. You call him our ace? Yeah, figuratively speaking he is. But.....the fact of the matter is....he has an ERA over 6 and a half. You can make excuses for him all you want, but........

#3-Is there any thread in this forum, the Red Wings forum, and the LSC warmwater forum that you haven't turned into an argument???:dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:It's not excuses it how he's pitched this season. Even Rod Allan said his stats are showing how wells his pitched.

As far as the last comment, :rolleyes: Are we on this forum to talk and debate or are we on this forum to agree with absolutely everybody? I'm here to learn and share and I believe my opinion is as valid as yours. I've not started any arguments. Sorry if my opinions don't agree with yours but that's how it is. - Bryon

[fish eater]

As far as the last comment, :rolleyes: Are we on this forum to talk and debate or are we on this forum to agree with absolutely everybody? I'm here to learn and share and I believe my opinion is as valid as yours. I've not started any arguments. Sorry if my opinions don't agree with yours but that's how it is. - Bryon



Well, in your short stay here, you've certainly made a name for yourself Coach DE82.:lol:

[DE82]

Well, in your short stay here, you've certainly made a name for yourself Coach DE82.:lol:I've also met a lot of people who have been great and fished with many off this site. I've also learned a lot. :D

[fish eater]

I've also learned a lot. :D



You mean there was something that you didn't already know left for you to learn?:p:lol:

[DE82]

You mean there was something that you didn't already know left for you to learn?:p:lol::rolleyes: Some people

[D-Fresh]

It's not excuses it how he's pitched this season. Even Rod Allan said his stats are showing how wells his pitched.

Here are Verlanders stats...0-2, ERA 6.52, 15 hits in 19 innings, 3 HR allowed (most on team), 19 Runs allowed (most on team), 14 EARNED runs allowed (MOST on team), 8 walks and 4 HBP =12 free bases (MORE THAN D-TRAIN!)....do you see a pattern here???? Seriously, Justin is my favorite tiger by a mile, but there is no way you can say these stats "show how well he has pitched"!!!!! He is the "ace" of the squad, and he needs to get his head out of his ***** just like everyone else. To be fair he has pitched more innings so some stats will be higher and that last start in Chicago really hurt him because of the 8th inning mess, weather, maybe he should have been pulled (but then some scrub from the pen comes in and still let's his baserunners score), etc. Obviously his stats took a whoopin from that game, but still, he is the "ace" and his stats are FAR from ace material!

[DE82]

Here are Verlanders stats...0-2, ERA 6.52, 15 hits in 19 innings, 3 HR allowed (most on team), 19 Runs allowed (most on team), 14 EARNED runs allowed (MOST on team), 8 walks and 4 HBP =12 free bases (MORE THAN D-TRAIN!)....do you see a pattern here???? Seriously, Justin is my favorite tiger by a mile, but there is no way you can say these stats "show how well he has pitched"!!!!! He is the "ace" of the squad, and he needs to get his head out of his ***** just like everyone else. To be fair, that last start in Chicago really hurt him because of the 8th inning mess, weather, maybe he should have been pulled (but then some scrub from the pen comes in and still let's his baserunners score), etc. Obviously his stats took a whoopin from that game, but still, he is the "ace" and his stats are FAR from ace material!According to Rod Allan as well as my self, His stats don't show how well he's pitched. STILL he's not been the problem, hitting has. Tell me in three starts how many runs have they given Verlander? SIX. That's 2 runs a game. When you can't even score 4 runs a game pitching isn't your problem. - Bryon

[D-Fresh]

According to Rod Allan as well as my self, His stats don't show how well he's pitched. STILL he's not been the problem, hitting has. Tell me in three starts how many runs have they given Verlander? SIX. That's 2 runs a game. When you can't even score 4 runs a game pitching isn't your problem. - Bryon

Nowhere in my post did I say he was to blame. I was just pointing out that his stats are not that great at all, especially for an ace. Notice I said that he needs to get his head out of his ***** JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE TEAM. The entire team is to blame here, and I am not pointing fingers at any one player! In one post you say the stats do show how good he has pitched and in the next you say they don't show...which is it? As far as I am concerned these stats don't lie, did he pitch great on Saturday, absolutely for 7 innings, and then he fell apart. Last time I checked it doesn't matter if he gives up 6 ER's in the 8th or 1st inning.

[DE82]

Nowhere in my post did I say he was to blame. I was just pointing out that his stats are not that great at all, especially for an ace. Notice I said that he needs to get his head out of his ***** JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE TEAM. The entire team is to blame here, and I am not pointing fingers at any one player! In one post you say the stats do show how good he has pitched and in the next you say they don't show...which is it? As far as I am concerned these stats don't lie, did he pitch great on Saturday, absolutely for 7 innings, and then he fell apart. Last time I checked it doesn't matter if he gives up 6 ER's in the 8th or 1st inning.Sorry for the confusion, I meant his stats aren't showing how well he's pitched. It just seams to me people are making it out like he's not pitched well enough to win. More times than not he has. Does he need to step up? Yes I'm not going to doubt that but he's not been BAD like some are making it sound. - Bryon