Who Is Fishing Bbt Or Shoreline In 2008

[Jason Ammerman]

How Many Of You Are Going To Fish The Bbt Tournaments Or The Shoreline This Year?

[rbaddis]

I fish the Memorial open and the 101.3 tourney every year. I have never tried a whole season with the BBT. Maybe next year.

[thedude]

i did the memorial open last year, but won't be doing it again. well run show, but i don't see the point in donating money to the guys who are running to pentwater or arcadia.

[Jason Ammerman]

That is a fluke it happens once in every 5 years I have won that tournament 3 times out of Muskegon lake. The guys that run that far have to have everything go there way, no wind, and the fish have to bite, It is one of the best paying tournaments around even if you don't win 2nd is over $1000.00 most years thats a good payday in my mind.

[rbaddis]

Hey Jason , when you won the tourney on Muskegon did you have a bag of largemouth or smallmouth or both? Just curious. I've fished it two years now and haven't seen a good bag of largemouth yet.

[wolverines]

How Many Of You Are Going To Fish The Bbt Tournaments Or The Shoreline This Year?



I'm going to fish the opens if JVB is going to be around, don't think we'll make the qualifiers again thisyear. Fished a shoreline on White last-year...I thought their pay-out was worse than a BBT qualifier, about the same as a week-end NBAA. I like how their classic winner fishes the next year for free though.

thedude:
How can you complain about guys running to win a tournamet? The option is there for everyone. If you've got the plumbs to run that far and risk getting stranded their...I solute you. Don't be a hater...besides, look at it like this...all the money those guys spent in truck gas to pre fish and boat gas to get there and back...they probably didn't make a ton of money:yikes:

[waterfoul]

I'd have to say the option to run is NOT there for everyone. The guy fishing out of his 15' Sea Nymph with a 25hp or even a 17' Tracker with 40 hp surely isn't able to run all the way to those distant ports. Not safely anyway. I prefer the tournies that limit you to the pier heads.

Jason, I like the question above... smallies or largemouth?

[sea nympho]

I'd have to say the option to run is NOT there for everyone. The guy fishing out of his 15' Sea Nymph with a 25hp or even a 17' Tracker with 40 hp surely isn't able to run all the way to those distant ports. Not safely anyway. I prefer the tournies that limit you to the pier heads.

I resemble that comment!:chillin::lol:

And FOR THE LAST TIME, it's 15' 10"!!!:rant::lol:

While I prefer to limit the tourneys to the pierheads, because I belive in a contest being held on a specific body of water over a specific period of time as a measure of competition, I don't protest guys making long runs. For one, their not catching shiznit with no lines in the water while they run!:lol: And these guys enjoy spending money, $50k bass boats, $50k trucks to pull said bass boats, $300 rods & reels(that's $500-$600 per rig!:tdo12:), LCX-113HD's & 1197c SI's, $30 LuckyCrafts, plus $150 in gas for 1 day tournies kinda cuts into the profits!:yikes: Trust me, these guys are the biggest DONATORS out there!!!:lol:

...and I CAN'T WAIT to jumpin the mix w/ my $2k boat and take thier $ :evilsmile

[wolverines]

Hey Jason , when you won the tourney on Muskegon did you have a bag of largemouth or smallmouth or both? Just curious. I've fished it two years now and haven't seen a good bag of largemouth yet.



Better yet, when you've stayed on or ran to Muskegon have you ever weighed in a smallmouth...on purpose:lol::lol::lol:

[wolverines]

I'd have to say the option to run is NOT there for everyone. The guy fishing out of his 15' Sea Nymph with a 25hp or even a 17' Tracker with 40 hp surely isn't able to run all the way to those distant ports. Not safely anyway. I prefer the tournies that limit you to the pier heads.



The option to run is there for EVERYONE...unless prohibited at the morning meeting. We all know it before we pay the entry. All I'm saying is don't hate on a guy if he ran to get his fish...

[sea nympho]

If a guys got a nice rig that can do it, I say 'go for it', he should have every right to do so. But it's still a big gamble, and I'm sure the guy running knows that too:lol:, so I think it's fair enough.

In all fairness, and I belive this, a superb angler in a lesser boat should be able to at least hang with lesser fisherman in better rigs. No single tournament can decide since there are factors anglers can & cannot control, and those vary! :yikes: But over a season, the superb anglers should be able to capitalize on their advantage in that they are able to stack the odds, however big or small, in their favor consistently, and while fishing different ecosystems, weather conditions, calendar periods, etc...

[thedude]

thedude:
How can you complain about guys running to win a tournamet? The option is there for everyone. If you've got the plumbs to run that far and risk getting stranded their...I solute you. Don't be a hater...besides, look at it like this...all the money those guys spent in truck gas to pre fish and boat gas to get there and back...they probably didn't make a ton of money:yikes:

first off - there's nothing noble in risking your life for 5 fish and a check you won't see much profit from. I don't know about you, but i'd rather be alive and fishing tomorrow than dead floating next to my capsized boat w/ 20lbs of smallies. a 50-80 mile run on lake michigan is a serious endeavor. Getting stranded in some northern port is of small concern to me when compared to what can happen when you are 10-15 miles from any safe harbor. I've been in st. joe in a 20' deep V and in a matter of 30 minutes wishing we never left the pierheads... that lake can go from 2'ers to 6'-7'ers in next to no time.

But i digress - i'm not complaining. just saying i won't donate money to them. I will not run more than 15 miles. So that means Grand haven or white lake is as far as i go. If the fish are on beds up north you will loose 99.9% of the time to a guy that runs. I will keep my money is all i'm saying. Run if you want, don't run if you can't... my tournament money is best spent elsewhere. If i was rigged w/ the right boat i *might* enter and run and cash me a big check.


so don't be hating on me. just my personal politics never said anyone else had to follow them. :lol:

[wolverines]

If a guys got a nice rig that can do it, I say 'go for it', he should have every right to do so. But it's still a big gamble, and I'm sure the guy running knows that too:lol:, so I think it's fair enough.




:yeahthat:...the guys making long runs, like 40-50+ miles one way, are going for the homerun. It's definately a gamble and a lot of times they strike out. How many times has all the talk at the weigh-in been about the guys who made the long run and finished 20th? No one here's about that.
Besides, if you've got a small tin boat, I'd be just as concerned about your safety on Muskegon. Plenty of times I've come back from a decent ride on the big lake to get absolutly pounded on Muskegon...

I also think that when there's 100 boats in a tournament and 35 of them run, it makes it a lot nicer for the people that stayed. Fish the BBT qualifier on Cadillac/Mithchell...100+ boats there and boats are just about on top of each other.

I'd much rather stay put...but, you've got to go where your fish are.

[wolverines]

first off - there's nothing noble in risking your life for 5 fish and a check you won't see much profit from. I don't know about you, but i'd rather be alive and fishing tomorrow than dead floating next to my capsized boat w/ 20lbs of smallies. a 50-80 mile run on lake michigan is a serious endeavor. Getting stranded in some northern port is of small concern to me when compared to what can happen when you are 10-15 miles from any safe harbor. I've been in st. joe in a 20' deep V and in a matter of 30 minutes wishing we never left the pierheads... that lake can go from 2'ers to 6'-7'ers in next to no time.

But i digress - i'm not complaining. just saying i won't donate money to them. I will not run more than 15 miles. So that means Grand haven or white lake is as far as i go. If the fish are on beds up north you will loose 99.9% of the time to a guy that runs. I will keep my money is all i'm saying. Run if you want, don't run if you can't... my tournament money is best spent elsewhere. If i was rigged w/ the right boat i *might* enter and run and cash me a big check.


so don't be hating on me. just my personal politics never said anyone else had to follow them. :lol:


Well said.
I don't hate on anyone, not how I was trying to come across.
I am not promoting that tournament anglers should risk their lives, let's make that crystal clear.

[thedude]

Well said.
I don't hate on anyone, not how I was trying to come across.
I am not promoting that tournament anglers should risk their lives, let's make that crystal clear.

nor did i expect that you were... i'm an advocate of "staying out of other peoples kool aid".. so i just wanted to clarify that i wasn't trying to get into anyone's.


ohhh yeah.

[waterfoul]

As far as running goes.... thedude can get piked off in any lake... why run all the way up north to do that??? :confused:

[thedude]

As far as running goes.... thedude can get piked off in any lake... why run all the way up north to do that??? :confused:

actually of all the lakes i fish.. i bet i've been piked off on muskegon and white the least.

[Jason Ammerman]

I'm going to fish the opens if JVB is going to be around, don't think we'll make the qualifiers again thisyear. Fished a shoreline on White last-year...I thought their pay-out was worse than a BBT qualifier, about the same as a week-end NBAA. I like how their classic winner fishes the next year for free though.

thedude:
How can you complain about guys running to win a tournamet? The option is there for everyone. If you've got the plumbs to run that far and risk getting stranded their...I solute you. Don't be a hater...besides, look at it like this...all the money those guys spent in truck gas to pre fish and boat gas to get there and back...they probably didn't make a ton of money:yikes:

What were you to close to the gas tank in JVB's ranger I think you were breathing some fumes? Do the math The NBAA tournaments are the worst pay out in the state. Shoreline pay 80% at the ramp NBAA is 60%.

And as far as the smallies go I have won a few with them! How many tournaments have you won with smallies or largies (over $80.00 entry)?

[wolverines]

And as far as the smallies go I have won a few with them! How many tournaments have you won with smallies or largies (over $80.00 entry)?


1st place, $80+ entry...a few top fives but never a win. Is that what you're looking for?
I was refering to Muskegon lk.
What I said was a joke, and not even one towards you in a bad way...I thought of it as more of a compliment in that here's a guy that when people are bringing back a bunch of smallies can still beat you with a bag of green fish...yet you felt the need to lash out in defense, of what I don't know.
Sorry I responded to your post.

[Jason Ammerman]

That post was not ment to ofend you, I was just asking a question. With all the talk about smallies I just was wondering how many of you have won a tournament with them on a lake that has an equal populatin of both. In my opinion Largies will will 90% of the time.

[waterfoul]

Sea Nympho and I won a tourney on Hardy with 3 largies and two nice smallies (both over 3.5 lbs). Doesn't meet the $80 entry fee limit Jason set, but it was won with those smallies... they were our two biggest fish. Well, they wouldn't let us weigh in the PIG walleye Nympho caught... but I'm sure it tasted good!

[Jason Ammerman]

Hardy is more of a smallie lake than a largie lake. I am talking about lakes like muskegon, white, portage, wixom, cadillac, ect.

[waterfoul]

Well, I've only caught ONE smallie on Muskegon and it was a dink (on a jig no less!). Never got one on White. Only fished Portage as a kid (caught some smallies though) and I've never fished Cadillac. Never been to Wixom.

[wolverines]

That post was not ment to ofend you, I was just asking a question. With all the talk about smallies I just was wondering how many of you have won a tournament with them on a lake that has an equal populatin of both. In my opinion Largies will will 90% of the time.

My fault...I thought it was in a different tone

[wolverines]

Hardy is more of a smallie lake than a largie lake. I am talking about lakes like muskegon, white, portage, wixom, cadillac, ect.



I can't use winning as an example but when me and Jeremy do well on Cadillac/Mitchell it's almost all smallmouth. Muskegon and White largemouth. But at the same time I've seen green fish win on C/M and brown fish win on White and Muskegon...I would question weather or not they came from those lakes. I do believe I've seen smallies from Muskegon a few times, not sure about White but have only fished it the last 5-6 years. Anyways I would agree that largies would win like you said except on C/M...I'd say that would be closer to 50/50...

[Jason Ammerman]

Looks like none of you guys sre fishing the BBT or Shoreline. Why not? I am just interested to hear why you are not fishing those and what tournaments you are going to fish and why?

[waterfoul]

No job. No gas money. Fairly simple. Will stick to tournies closer to GR. I'll be hitting some of Kellogsville tournies, COTM, Wabasis on Wed. nights, and the Hawghunters. Can be to most of those lakes in less than 45 minutes from my house, not all, but most. For me it's a simple matter of economics.

[Jason Ammerman]

I am not an economics major, but it would seem if you fish fewer small tournaments and a couple of big one and won 1 or 2 of them you would have more money to fish. 4 BBT's x $50.00 per man is $200.00 in entrys if you fish 15 $40.00 tournaments x $20.00 per man $300.00. With the bigger tournaments you have a chance to win more in 1 tournament than you can win in all of the little tournaments. and you should be able to get to White, Muskegon and the Grand in less than 45 min from anywere in GR. I would bet that you would have a lot less in gas money to.

[waterfoul]

Well, WHEN I find a job maybe I'll do some of the larger tournies like Shoreline or BBT.