NRC Thursday/Anyone going?

[Pinefarm]

I called every baby sitter and it's a no go for me. If anyone is going and anything happens either way with the combo tag, do you mind posting info that evening?

The NRC may kick the can down the road to another meeting or are they supposed to actually vote on it on Thursday?

[itchn2fish]

I won't be able to post anything afterwards until Friday morning, though.

[QDMAMAN]

This is a response that our deer management issue work group recieved from Rod Clute.


want to inform you that the DNR will not be presenting any evaluation of the "hunterʼs choice buck tag" proposal at the March NRC meeting. We expect to make this presentation at the April 10 NRC meeting. That meeting will be held at the Lansing Community College , West Campus, 5708 Cornerstone Drive , Lansing . The presentation will be during the Wildlife and Fisheries Committee Meeting which usually begins at 1:00.
Please share this with your members that may have been planning on attending the March NRC meeting. All your members are welcome to attend, but they should be aware there will be no presentation on the "hunterʼs choice buck tag" proposal. Also, the Wildlife Committee meeting for March has been moved to 11:15 am.
Rod

Big T

[Pinefarm]

Tony,
Are we to read anything in to this delay or is this normal proceedure?

[King of the Road]

I understand some additional number-crunching was required, re protection rates. I'm probably going to show up anyway.

[bucko12pt]

There will be a contingent of a half dozen or so, from DMU 045 (Leelanau Co.) that will be there.

[Ed Spin04]

There needs to be an official presentation, (motion) to the NRC by a NRC member first. This has not happened. Then there must be a 60 day period for the public to respond before the NRC votes. If there is a motion in April the earliest vote would be in June, which is tight but doable. Perhaps the MDNR has listened to voices outside of their circle or was given instructions by the NRC to deviate and asked for more time to evaluate a change. The MDNR Wildlife Division, with acting chief Doug Reeves was specifically given the task in January to evaluate and look at the total picture for any and all ramifications of Lindquists proposal but look at the proposed concept only. Were there additional changes from the NRC?

[shell waster]

Sounds like a stalling tatic.

[QDMAMAN]

Tony,
Are we to read anything in to this delay or is this normal proceedure?


Bob,
Delay IS normal proceedure!:lol:
I'm not holding my breath for ANYTHING to happen this year and believe that the MDNR and the NRC are hoping that the waters get muddied additionally with more proposals next year.
I really hate the fact that I'm taking this synical position and have distanced myself from the process. I guess it's because I've had so much success promoting co-ops and witnessing RESULTS. I will, however, support my QDMA bretheren in the battle as I continue to fight on other fronts.

Big T

[bentduck]

They will never pass this measure because it makes too much sense and is a proactive step in the right direction. (N.R.C. Nobody Really Cares)

I'll tell you what, in an effort to take one for the team I will make the following offer. If the NRC approves this new MAR regulation, I will retire from MS Sportsman and never post here again. This ought to fire up some of the nay sayers and the many detractors I have created who want me out of here anyway.

Soooo, heres the deal ... The NRC approves it as proposed (anytime between now and 2025) and I will quit posting here forever. If they don't, your stuck with me and my many opoinions on such matters. :D

[Liver and Onions]

.......If there is a motion in April the earliest vote would be in June, which is tight but doable. .......

By doable, do you mean that IF there is a motion in April and IF the vote was in favor of the proposal in June, then the new regulations would be in affect for this fall ? Or would they begin in '09 ?

L & O

[Munsterlndr]

By doable, do you mean that IF there is a motion in April and IF the vote was in favor of the proposal in June, then the new regulations would be in affect for this fall ? Or would they begin in '09 ?

L & O
How could they implement them for next fall when a lot of guys will have already bought two unrestricted licenses prior to June? Seems like it would be a logistical nightmare trying to sort that out. If it were to pass in June it seems like 2009 would be the earliest it could go into effect.

[Pinefarm]

Tony,
Your analysis is probably correct. Stall, delay, study, deny, then kick the can down the road in hopes it is forgotten down the line.

[dusoc]

I called every baby sitter and it's a no go for me.
Just bring your kids to the meeting and when it's the United Sportsman's Alliance's turn to speak, then tell the kids that if they sream and cry loud enough you'll stop at Micky Ds playground on the way home. :D

[QDMAMAN]

Just bring your kids to the meeting and when it's the United Sportsman's Alliance's turn to speak, then tell the kids that if they sream and cry loud enough you'll stop at Micky Ds playground on the way home. :D


I'd pay to see that!:lol::lol::lol:

[Pinefarm]

That would be kinda funny. :lol:
What wouldn't have been so funny is if I had juggled my whole schedule around, lined up a sitter and then read this thread about the delay.

[dusoc]

That would be kinda funny. :lol:
What wouldn't have been so funny is if I had juggled my whole schedule around, lined up a sitter and then read this thread about the delay.
Actually, the time to write letters, make phone calls and testify at the NRC meetings is now. If you wait until the NRC is scheduled to address the topic, most of the members will have already made up their minds by then.

[Pinefarm]

Oh, I've emailed. :lol: So much so in the past, that I wonder if when they see my name, they don't quietly hit delete without ever even opening the message. :lol::p

[Ed Spin04]

L&O I have no positive info that it will pass this year. I know that it is possible and be in force this year. What controls it is the publication of the rule booklet. A June vote is barely time enough but in the framework. The rule book would spell out the picture for those who purchased tags early. It is a problem but not an insurmountable one. It has happened before. We have been told by the NRC Commissioners, to spread the word and get support from all outdoor conservation organizations, such as MUCC, MBH Whitetails Unlimited etc. I detect an attitude change in both the NRC and MiDNR. It isn't overwhelming but there. We shall see. It appears that the vote is there within the NRC, but don't expect movement without public support. I can't make this month or April but if there is good news I can make the May and June meeting. Guys the NRC and DNR are waiting to hear from you. Write, call, E-Mail or talk at the NRC meeting, (do something for them to know your desire).

[Liver and Onions]

Thanks for the reply. Would love a change for this fall, seems more possible in '09. Letters were sent a couple of weeks ago.
Also hoping for a couple of changes, 4/4 in zone 3 and not 3/4 on the combo. Some type of get out of jail free card for someone who makes a mistake. Maybe a $20 fine tag to put on the buck along with the regular tag.
3rd, (not related to the Hunters Choice Proposal) two Youth Hunts...one in Sept. for antlerless only, second in Oct. on the weekend of the disabled hunt for any deer.
L & O

[King of the Road]

I stayed for most of the public input session. Let me tell you, those United Sportsmen Alliance guys are angry, angry, angry. The speak of our current combo tag like it's the exalted foundation of our deer hunting. They actually implored (angrily) the commission to disallow continuation of the Leelanau County experiment, in spite of its colossal 74% support in the survey.

[Ed Spin04]

74% support you say? That's not signifcant. It's colossal, when one considers it's hunters voting and hunters are not prone to change. This just shows what can happen when MiDNR personal are supporting a movement and hunters have time to digest something new. All the work that has gone into this from previous demonstrations is a major reason for this success. This is the third demo that has passed muster. Will this influence our NRC and DNR about movement in the Lindquist proposal. I think so. Let me add my thanks for the efforts of the Leelanau Whitetails and Mike Borgovich and his co workers in the MiDNR for their courages and victorious fight. I wouldn't pay much attention to the angry, angry, angry United Sportsmen Alliance members. All naysayers will soon be put on the endangered specie list, wherever they lurk.

[brdhntr]

I stayed for most of the public input session. Let me tell you, those United Sportsmen Alliance guys are angry, angry, angry. The speak of our current combo tag like it's the exalted foundation of our deer hunting. They actually implored (angrily) the commission to disallow continuation of the Leelanau County experiment, in spite of its colossal 74% support in the survey.

Who is this United Sportsmen Alliance? I've heard of US Sportsmen Alliance who are pro hunting, but not this other group.

[dusoc]

Who is this United Sportsmen Alliance? I've heard of US Sportsmen Alliance who are pro hunting, but not this other group.
They were a group formed originally in the Thumb, for the main purpose of fighing QDM labeled antler restriction proposals. They also fought last year against a one buck limit proposal. They basically are against any change in deer regulations that would reduce or restrict the buck kill. They should be calling themselves the United Status Quo Alliance.:D