MOOD Last Night 2/21

[Sprytle]

So who caught the segment where they were interveiwing some hunters at a few different Big Buck banquets??
I thought it was in , well.....poor taste.

One interveiw had a guy that said he had never been deer hunting before but his brother wanted him to go because his other hunting partner had passed, also a brother. He said he had borrowed a shotgun from his friend and he told him it was sighted in at 100 yrds. "I had never shot the gun before, but took his word for it" he says, " I had these little 2 3/4 in shells for it" then goes on to say , " I saw this buck coming thru the weeds and figured he was about 200 yrds away, so when he got to what i thought to be 100 yrds, he turned and looked at me, I was aiming for the head anways because i didnt want to ruin any meat and didnt want to track him, right? So i pull the trigger and he goes right down, I called my brother and told him i think i got him. The "bullet" hit right behind his head and cracked the skull plate and put a big crack here in the antler base. See right here."

I didnt think that letting the non-hunting veiwers or anyone else for that matter that "we" acuatlly try to aim for the head of a target animal, especially at that distance was a good thing to do.

The second interview was at a QDM banquet in southern mich.

" We saw the buck come out in the field and the only shot i had was a Texas Heart Shot", Jimmy says, really could you explain that to us , they both laugh, so that must be a regular QDM thing , huh?? They laugh. Yeah i just took the shot and hoped for the best!
" He went about 50 yrds, and when we got to him i was surprised it didnt any guts.

Do you think if he might have just waited a bit it might have turned a little and gave him a "real" shot??

Pretty disappointed with the segment...


Anyone else see it??

-Bob:)

[loweboats]

Yeah I saw it and was disgusted. MOOD has always been in good taste, portraying proper sportsmanship, but they blew it with this one.

[sbooy42]

Yeah that episode didn't set well with me either...I'm still try'n to figure how to make a Texas heart shot hit both lungs the heart and no guts....:confused:

Its probably a good thing the head shooter is done with hunting and is going to stick to fishing....

[HunterHawk]

i didnt see it but that sounds really bad.... i hate both of those kinds of hunters... I passed up on a monster this last year because i jumped him when i was stalking him laying down and all i had was a going away shot:(... have never wounded a deer and dont plan on doing so with poor shot placement

wonder how many of these same type of instances go un heard of and dont turn out as well in the end.... like maybe those deer you find after season that have been eatten from the butt and you cant find a hole anywhere else in the body..... makes you wonder.

[KalamazooKid]

Yea, I saw it too and was not impressed. The original poster has the verbage pretty close to how it went down.:sad:

Seems like they could have showcased a couple of other stories

[Joe Archer]

It was pretty bad. I was watching with my son. In my best redneck immitation I said ... "Now that ther is how ya geter duhn! Aim at the head so ya doesn't spoils da meat! Texas Hert shots wrock! Matt, we learnt sumthin new every day. Sorry, I haven't teached ya any of these advanced deer huntin methuds yet...."
We both just laughed.
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[Playin' Hooky]

Glad I missed it...

Won't look for the repeat on Saturday afternoon.

[SgtSabre]

I saw it too, and thought the same thing.

[Hungry Wolf]

I agree... Very poor taste. No respect for the deer at all. Also upset that they had the QDMA logo in the background the whole time.

[Ninja]

Let''s start the emails going, fella's.


http://mucc.org/about/writemail.php?name=Gabe%20VanWormer&account=32

[sbooy42]

Let''s start the emails going, fella's.


http://mucc.org/about/writemail.php?name=Gabe%20VanWormer&account=32

That was the first thing I did this morning.....

[Hungry Wolf]

Let''s start the emails going, fella's.


http://mucc.org/about/writemail.php?name=Gabe%20VanWormer&account=32

Done!

[Sprytle]

E-mail sent!

[loweboats]

sent

[Blueump]

I found it just as irritating to watch the tower shoot that began the show. I'm not here to debate the morality of tower shoots, but I think putting them on TV is simply BAD TV. Here is just an excerpt from my e-mail to Gabe:

"There are many negative stereotypes of hunters in our American population today and unfortunately your show last night did nothing but give credibility to those stereotypes."

[xtremedd]

My son said he'd probably step on his bass to keep it too. The other said I'd only hoped/wished they were smart enough to go with a sportsman. I said it's too many city people.......again. Neither were my hunter safety students, any one ask the host for kill tag and check whose name is on tag ?

Anyone have the e-mail of the host?

Lets remember that the most we can do is, always set the right example!

DD

[bluefin75]

Saw it also and was surprised that they would air something like that. It actually was still on my mind this morning and then I caught this forum and I see it bothered others too. Hope they get a lot of emails. (MOOD)

[Yarcher]

Just sent my email...what a bunch of turds. I hope they make the guy responsible for the editing reply to every email one at a time with a nice apology. That might make him think twice about about the content when editing these shows.

[spiritofthewild_06]

My wife and I were watching that segment last night. After that guys story I turned to her and gave her that "look", like what the hell was that guy thinking! Glad I'm not the only one that thought that! I usually enjoy watching MOOD, but after last night it kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.:sad:

[dlbaldwin01]

Email sent. Its this kind of stuff on the air that takes us two steps back.

[BtcHunter]

After watching that segment it's no wonder that anti-hunters form the opinions that they do. It reminded me of a bad joke that just wouldn't stop!

Brad

[Dking(MI)]

Sent one here also, hopefully they get the message, and dont ignore it.

[walleyerick]

I agree, all it did was was make hunters out to be a bunch of gun-totting rednecks. E-mail sent!

[Blueump]

Let's not be too hard on them however...

I agree in sending e-mails of disappointment, but please don't go overboard. They are one of the only local shows that usually portrays hunters in a good light...especially on stations as narrow minded as the PBS television stations! Everyone has bad days at work...its simply that not everyone watches your job once or twice a week!

Sure they made a bad call. The show was a disappointment - nothing more.

[luv2havemoartime]

Email sent...but I always try to remind myself of this:

Even if only 1-2 percent of hunters are idiots (which I think would be a pretty low average) we're talking about somewhere between 8,000 to 16,000 people that are representative of hunters on that show last night:SHOCKED:

[FREEPOP]

" We saw the buck come out in the field and the only shot i had was a Texas Heart Shot", Jimmy says, really could you explain that to us , they both laugh, so that must be a regular QDM thing , huh?? They laugh. Yeah i just took the shot and hoped for the best!
" He went about 50 yrds, and when we got to him i was surprised it didnt any guts.


Was the kid even legal (14 years old) because he was hunting with his friend?

[Reel_Screamer86]

We saw the buck come out in the field and the only shot i had was a Texas Heart Shot", Jimmy says, really could you explain that to us , they both laugh, so that must be a regular QDM thing , huh?? They laugh. Yeah i just took the shot and hoped for the best!
" He went about 50 yrds, and when we got to him i was surprised it didnt any guts

That kid wrote the new meaning to the word inbred! What a jackass!

[SMITTY1233]

I don't get to watch the show to many Thursday nights do to my schedule, last night while laying in bed flipping through the guide I realized hey I would get to watch this. When the guy carried out his impresssive 150" buck I thought this will be a good story... I was very shocked by what I heard and what MUCC decided to air on public television. Dissapointing to me really...

[MERGANZER]

email sent
Ganzer

[oldexscrew]

Hey this is your favorite new age reality TV. Do you think that these are not real people and not wanting to see themwill make them go away?

[Due51]

I wasn't happy with the first time, head shot hunter either.

Needless to say, last night's episode was not my favorite.

[FREEPOP]

Excuse me, but isn't your gun supposed to be plugged so it can hold no more than 3 in the chamber/magazine?

That applies to migratory bird hunting, duck geese, woodcock, etc. not to phesant hunting especially on a preserve.

[STEINFISHSKI]

Due, the plug in the gun is a restriction for waterfowl and migratory birds.

I saw the show, the hero pheasant hunt, the disabled Cannonsburg ski program, great stuff. Then the big buck segment was a train wreck. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, it seemed like no one there had a clue. This should have stopped at the editor. Nothing sportsman like about it.

[loweboats]

Has anyone heard back that has emailed? I sent mine this morning, but no word yet.

[Ninja]

Has anyone heard back that has emailed? I sent mine this morning, but no word yet.


Jimmy emailed me back....he said a lot of people e-mailed him and thought the segment was "funny".
He said he doubts that the segment hurt the future of hunting in our State, but he appreciated my concerns and understood where I was coming from.

[Knight]

Jimmy emailed me back....he said a lot of people e-mailed him and thought the segment was "funny".
He said he doubts that the segment hurt the future of hunting in our State, but he appreciated my concerns and understood where I was coming from.

If that is all Jimmy is going to say... Wow....

Is there an emoticon that shows a respect meter going way down?

[loweboats]

If that is all Jimmy is going to say... Wow....

Is there an emoticon that shows a respect meter going way down?

Im sure he is pretty embarrassed about this..which he should be.

[Ninja]

Don't be too hard on Jimmy....he's a good guy.

Here is his entire response.


Ken,

Hope to see you at Rama next week. I do understand your complaint about last nights show. We thought the 2 stories were funny and lighthearted, nothing else. I don't think by showing those two stories we did any great harm to the hunting world. Its unfortunate that we have people taking shots at deer we don't think we would take, but those were the stories told. I don't know what kind of stories will be told at next weeks Big Buck night. If they are legal hunting practices and not to gruesome we will edit them accordingly and show them. I do apologize if you were offended by the stories told, I did have a few emails that thought they were pretty funny. Thanks for the feedback on the show, I do appreciate it, especially from someone in the business like yourself. Good luck next week and flag me down if you get a chance.

Thanks
Jimmy

[jimmyg]

Wanted to drop in a few comments to answer some of your concerns. First off if a couple of the interviews we aired did bother many of you we do apologize, that was not our intent. We went through many of the interviews we had and thought these were lighthearted and a little funny. Looks like that was not the case. We were not endorsing or promoting that kind of hunting/shooting by airing these interviews. If we only aired the ones where everyone did everything perfectly and that everyone agreed with, we simply wouldn't air Big Buck interviews, there would be none to choose from. Long and short is this, we apologize for offending any of you, that was not our intent. If you emailed the show today, many of your emails will not be seen until monday as Gabe is on the road today. Anyway, thanks for watching and hope to bring you some more interviews next week - we will pick them a little more careful this time....:)

[Ninja]

Thanx Jimmy, and again, thanx for the prompt reply this morning.

I'll see you next week.

[loweboats]

Thanks Jimmy for responding

[cscott]

I have not seen the referenced show, but I was at the Big Buck event where the stories were told. The stories were very funny in person and the entire crowd was roaring. I think it was very clear the story tellers were in no way trying to represent hunting/hunters. They were only telling their personal experiances in the most entertaining way they could. Many stories were told that night by more serious hunters. From what I have heard of the show it seems they simply selected the two most entertaining stories to be aired. I think that is what most every show does. I do agree that the stories are not fair representations of Michigan hunters in general, but if that is how these big bucks were legally taken so be it. I believe the current state record typical was taken by a novist hunter with a borrowed shotgun. I think people want to know how big deer were actually taken. Sometimes it is nice to know "anyone" has a chance at a big buck, not just the guy with a large piece of managed property who has time to hunt everyday of the season or is consious of what the anti's are looking for. Hunting is for everyone who follows the law and enjoys the outdoors.

[Reel_Screamer86]

From what i see, i dont go out of my way to watch it at all. I think they could find a couple better people and cast, and do a better job...

I'll stick with Great Lakes Outdoors ! Its more of a non political show..
Just my .02

[Sprytle]

Thanks for the response Jimmy.

... By the way... tell Kelly , Bob said "Hi"!!:D:xzicon_sm:SHOCKED:

[outdoor junkie]

From what i see, i dont go out of my way to watch it at all. I think they could find a couple better people and cast, and do a better job...

I'll stick with Great Lakes Outdoors ! Its more of a non political show..
Just my .02

I think for the most part they do a wonderful job. I rather like the political side it keeps me up to date on matters that affect me as a sportsman. I didn't think anyone watched great lakes outdoors, that show is a waste of 30 minutes in my opinion. Thank you fro the response Jimmy. Keep up the good work.:)

[Dking(MI)]

Thanks for the response jimmy. I dont think the show is bad at all, just last nights show was not up to par.

I will continue to watch MOOD over great lakes with rob any day. They blow them away.
And I dont think the cast needs to be replace, Why would anyone want to replace kelly? Heck, if it werent for her, i might not watch at all!!:lol:
I am still hoping she is single!:D

[Fur-minator]

I'm glad to see Jimmy and those at MOOD will give this site some respect and respond.

I'm also glad to see the grassroots effort put forth by those on this forum.

Now let me ask you all a serious question.

How many of you have ever called the governor or your state and national representatives?

Pick up the phone or write a letter no matter what the issue is.

If you are not part of the solution then you are the problem.

[hypox]

I'll take a bad MOOD over a good oprah a million times. What planet are you guys from? Venus?:D

[red28]

A timely response shows to me they care! what is beng talked about .

So i think they are on top of there game as to what is going on.

Thanks again....

Now on the lighter side i don't belive you unless you can have kelly come on here and post her reply.....;)

[jeffthedj]

I was at the Charlotte show and the whole crowd laughed! Do i think it was the right shot no! but the stories did make me shake my head....On a side note Tony Hanson who was hosting the show made a funny comment to the kid with texas heart shot about how he won a target to show him where to really shoot a deer:lol:..it was also great to hear back from jimmy so fast..

[silverspoons]

From what i see, i dont go out of my way to watch it at all. I think they could find a couple better people and cast, and do a better job...

I'll stick with Great Lakes Outdoors ! Its more of a non political show..
Just my .02

Lets not get carried away now. Kelly alone is worth the watch. Great Lakes has its place for sure, but I don't think they're both catered to the same age demographic. Great Lakes=older crowd. Kelly=younger crowd

[bentduck]

Flood the woods with kids with no sense of tradition, ethics or experience in the quest of the almighty dollar and this is what you get.... more ammunition for the anti's! :mad:

I e-mailed the show DURING the segment... MUCC should be ashamed of what they put on the air, what a bunch of GARBAGE! I know they are only loosely afiliated with Outdoorama anymore but I told them I am boycotting the show and MOOD TV until they issue a heartfelt apology.

[ant1901]

Am watching it right now and they took out him explaining the texas heart shot...so what is a Texas heart shot?

[jeffthedj]

Flood the woods with kids with no sense of tradition, ethics or experience in the quest of the almighty dollar and this is what you get.... more ammunition for the anti's! :mad:

I e-mailed the show DURING the segment... MUCC should be ashamed of what they put on the air, what a bunch of GARBAGE! I know they are only loosely afiliated with Outdoorama anymore but I told them I am boycotting the show and MOOD TV until they issue a heartfelt apology.

:dizzy::dizzy::lol::lol: i think you need to get outside and relax...Jimmy and the crew are good guys.. they may have been a little off on this show..but anti will be anti...THEY HATE HUNTING PERIOD!! they dont care if its shown good or bad!

[jeffthedj]

Am watching it right now and they took out him explaining the texas heart shot...so what is a Texas heart shot?

as the kids says it..."up the butt"

[bentduck]

Ok MOOD has issued a statement and now we know wthe truth.

They are sorry if we were offended but NOT sorry they aired this BS.

They can edit these shows anyway they want but decided this segment was somehow humorous in its original content??? Hey, how about next week they have a segment showing the "hilarity" of setting house cats on fire.. what's the difference? I'm sure some folks will think its "humorous" and therefore worthy of public television. :mad:

[cadillacjethro]

I got a chuckle out of the stories. Shame on me for taking things at face value.

[Burksee]

I've watched the show twice now, found the two segments about the pheasant hunt and skiing very enlightning and thought the people that sponser these types of events dont get enough recognition, made me feel good that folks care enough about others to do this. Made me feel kinda bad because I don't do enough. :sad:

As far as the BB event, I dont think Jimmy, MOOD or anyone else involved should have or has to appologize to anyone about this segment, especially all you armchair quarterbacks! Funny that it didn't seem to offend any of the folks at that attended that event? While I found the story told out of the ordinary it did not offend me. A lot of you guys seem to be getting on the "lets see what we can find fault with today" bandwagon! MOOD, the guy in question did nothing wrong! Did he really do anything wrong? Heck no! The story tells the another side of what sportsman can be like. He had a licence, he didnt trespass, he shot one dandy of a buck and so as far as I can see he didn't do a dam thing wrong. You guys really need to lighten up! Quit being so quick to judge someone, instead spend your time and energy taking a kid or a vet out hunting, fishing or sking! ;)

BTW - Jimmy took the time to post here because he's that kinda of guy, a guy who cares about what everyone thinks. You should be very proud to have a member like that here on the site, I am!

[bentduck]

:dizzy::dizzy::lol::lol: i think you need to get outside and relax...Jimmy and the crew are good guys.. they may have been a little off on this show..but anti will be anti...THEY HATE HUNTING PERIOD!! they dont care if its shown good or bad!

Yup, anti's will be anti's, but we just spared them the expense of producing propoganda to help beat us... they can simply record this MOOD TV show and use that in their next campaign here in Michigan. Hell, they could even make the case that since its an MUCC production, this must portray the absolute "cream of the crop" as far as hunters in Michigan ... This does not reflect well at all on their (MUCC) judgement does it???

Besides, it's not really about the anti-hunters who may have watched the show but more importently the NON HUNTERS who watch the show. How will this portray us to them???? I hope they burn this tape and never re-show it again especially with the pending anti- initiatives we will be facing in the future. Jimmy G's comment that this segment is somehow irrelevent to type of scrutiny we are under is short sighted at best.... Sounds like he is in denial.

[bentduck]

I've watched the show twice now, found the two segments about the pheasant hunt and skiing very enlightning and thought the people that sponser these types of events dont get enough recognition, made me feel good that folks care enough about others to do this. Made me feel kinda bad because I don't do enough. :sad:

As far as the BB event, I dont think Jimmy, MOOD or anyone else involved should have or has to appologize to anyone about this segment, especially all you armchair quarterbacks! Funny that it didn't seem to offend any of the folks at that attended that event? While I found the story told out of the ordinary it did not offend me. A lot of you guys seem to be getting on the "lets see what we can find fault with today" bandwagon! MOOD, the guy in question did nothing wrong! Did he really do anything wrong? Heck no! The story tells the another side of what sportsman can be like. He had a licence, he didnt trespass, he shot one dandy of a buck and so as far as I can see he didn't do a dam thing wrong. You guys really need to lighten up! Quit being so quick to judge someone, instead spend your time and energy taking a kid or a vet out hunting, fishing or sking! ;)

BTW - Jimmy took the time to post here because he's that kinda of guy, a guy who cares about what everyone thinks. You should be very proud to have a member like that here on the site, I am!

So you are dismissing this glaring lack of ethics because the kid ended up harvesting "a dandy buck".... Is the harvest, no matter the means, now the standard in which we should judge this stuff?

The reality of piss poor shot selections is more likely to be slow agonizing deaths to these majestic beasts and a high probability of unrecoverd animals. That is why nearly anyone with any sense would condemn these types of actions. For anyone to think otherwise and justify this garbage is beyond me. No wonder we are in trouble in this state.

[cadillacjethro]

BD,
I for one don't condone this, but I will not try to make you believe I have never taken a shot that I shouldn't have. Heck, I've even flat out missed. The last time I checked, the anti's didn't use fact, common sense, or any other form of rational thought. The fact is, not every shot is a perfect shot. Is that what we should strive for? Sure, but perfection is something not one of us will achieve. If you have never taken a bad shot my hat is off to you. You are the first hunter I've met in over 30 yrs of hunting that can say that.
Jeff

[Burksee]

So you are dismissing this glaring lack of ethics because the kid ended up harvesting "a dandy buck".... Is the harvest, no matter the means, now the standard in which we should judge this stuff?

The reality of piss poor shot selections is more likely to be slow agonizing deaths to these majestic beasts and a high probability of unrecoverd animals. That is why nearly anyone with any sense would condemn these types of actions. For anyone to think otherwise and justify this garbage is beyond me. No wonder we are in trouble in this state.

Garbage? Ethics? PP shots? In a perfect world it might be. Just because it wasn't a text book, the way you'd do it type of harvest, it becomes unethical? Wake up, You live in a dream world my fellow memeber. I've missed the mark a time or two. Taken head shots on does so as to not ruin any meat. Recovered everyone. I've not had the opertunity to take a THS but know of people who have and have even seen more than one dropped in its tracks with that shot. Are you going to tell me every single deer you've ever shot has dropped dead in its tracks? I've seen more bad shots on TV shows hosted by "professionals" than I can count. Seen plenty of "misses" on dandy bucks hanging at the local buck pole and at the butchers in my time as well. And before you ask, Yes - I can count past my fingers and toes! :lol:

Because the show depicted a part of real life that you seem to think should not exist you think its bad? You really do need to get outside more and away from you circle of perfect freinds......

BTW - do search on this site and read about all the actual misses, especially while bow hunting. Deer getting shot and not being recovered. I dont always agree with it either but it happens, its going to continue to happen as long as the human factor remains. And what about the use of buckshot? It legal and theres hardly a way to miss with it, but do you get a true aimed heart and or lung shot? Think about it, there are things far more worse than a head or Texas lung shot!

And to conclude with a comment about your statement about our state, because you seem to preach and live by the laws of perfection I fully expect to see your name on the ballot come the next election we have for governor and blow us away! :yikes::D

[Swamper]

I hope the majority of the posters on this threat will put some of the same energy into writing a politician in an attempt to influence some policy...good use of judgement and energy.

Amazing how many people get "offended" by something these days...

Swamper

[jeffthedj]

BD,
I for one don't condone this, but I will not try to make you believe I have never taken a shot that I shouldn't have. Heck, I've even flat out missed. The last time I checked, the anti's didn't use fact, common sense, or any other form of rational thought. The fact is, not every shot is a perfect shot. Is that what we should strive for? Sure, but perfection is something not one of us will achieve. If you have never taken a bad shot my hat is off to you. You are the first hunter I've met in over 30 yrs of hunting that can say that.
Jeff

AMEN!! not all of us are perfect!..ok now im in before the lock down:hide:

[bentduck]

It would seem that some of you really are struggling with the fact that MOOD screwed up and are tripping over yourselves trying to defend them.

Sure, I agree that hunters can make bad shots UNDER THE BEST OF CONDITIONS, yup', done it myself. Since we know this to be true why in the friggin' world would you promote taking shots that are beyond questionable? How many articles have been written about shot placement, angles, distances etc etc to help educate us on the differences between responsible and IRRESPONSIBLE shots?? This episode fly's in the face of all of the research I have ever read, common sense and just plain ethics for cryin' out loud.

Some seem to want to defend this particular epsiode simply for the apparent reason of not wanting to offend a TV show producer who screwed up and won't admit it.

They need to apologise for airing the episode .... If they do, I for one will give then give them credit for doing the right thing. If not, they are part of the problem. By the way, what are the ramifications regarding the quality of the meat after taking a "Texas heart shot"? Or should we not worry about that either as long as the deer was "harvested"? It's all symantics...

"Harvested" for what reason?

And for all of you who see no problem with this stuff, let me ask you a question .... Is there any "legal" shots we shouldn't take?? I would really be interested in your answers given your apparent acceptance of this scenario.

[bentduck]

Petersons Rifle Hunter made the following statement about the "Texas heart shot" Now they may not be as smart as the producers of MOOD or even some of the posters on this forum but it at least gives a different perspective....


Texas heart shot

The term Texas heart shot is a euphemism used in hunting. It refers to a shot fired at the base of the tail of an animal facing directly away from the shooter. The objective of such a shot may be to break the spinal cord, break the large bones of the hips, cut the femoral artery, or have the bullet penetrate the length of the animal’s body until reaching the heart and lung area.

The shot carries many ethical concerns. It is frowned upon by many hunters; it is generally recommended only as a last resort finishing shot on a fleeing wounded animal. A shot that breaks the spine or hip should instantly kill or incapacitate an animal; however, damage to the digestive tract will likely lead to inhumane suffering and affect much of the animal’s edible meat if it is recovered. The term “Texas heart shot” may be used in other contexts simply to refer to any gunshot wound to the buttocks region.

Petersen’s Rifle Shooter

It's kind of sad to see we have arrived at a point where unethical shots are no longer universally frowned upon because it's all about "the kill" anymore. But hey, if it makes "good" television ....

[cadillacjethro]

It would seem that some of you really are struggling with the fact that MOOD screwed up and are tripping over yourselves trying to defend them.

Sure, I agree that hunters can make bad shots UNDER THE BEST OF CONDITIONS, yup', done it myself. Since we know this to be true why in the friggin' world would you promote taking shots that are beyond questionable? How many articles have been written about shot placement, angles, distances etc etc to help educate us on the differences between responsible and IRRESPONSIBLE shots?? This episode fly's in the face of all of the research I have ever read, common sense and just plain ethics for cryin' out loud.

Justify this particular epsisode all you want but I refuse to defend this garbage for the simple reason you don't want to offend TV show producer who screwed up and won't admit it.

They need to apologise for airing the episode .... If they do, I for one will give then give them credit for doing the right thing. If not, they are part of the problem. By the way, what are the ramifications regarding the quality of the meat after taking a "Texas heart shot"? Or should we not worry about that either as long as the deer was "harvested"? It's all symantics...

"Harvested" for what reason?

I'm not justifying anything. These things happen, and to be so afraid of someone or something as to not be honest about it is a road I will not go down. Try to cover these things up, and your character will be called into question every time. It happens. Admit it, learn from it, and move on. Elitist attitudes like yours will harm our sport more than a poor shot. And for the record, I am beholding to no one at MOOD.
Jeff

[bentduck]

I'm not justifying anything. These things happen, and to be so afraid of someone or something as to not be honest about it is a road I will not go down. Try to cover these things up, and your character will be called into question every time. It happens. Admit it, learn from it, and move on. Elitist attitudes like yours will harm our sport more than a poor shot. And for the record, I am beholding to no one at MOOD.
Jeff

Elitist attitude??? :lol: If thats what you call someone not willing to concede a blatantly UNETHICAL action ... I will wear that tag like a badge of honor.

In fact, I doubt you could find ANY outdoor article ANYWHERE that justifies taking this shot (Texas heart shot) at an otherwise healthy, uninjured animal.

Wake up people.

[cadillacjethro]

Elitist attitude??? :lol: If thats what you call someone not willing to concede a blatantly UNETHICAL action ... I will wear that tag like a badge of honor.

In fact, I doubt you could find ANY outdoor article ANYWHERE that justifies taking this shot (Texas heart shot) at an otherwise healthy, uninjured animal.

Wake up people.

Duck,
What I'm trying to say is we don't go to kindergarten and come out rocket scientists after the first day. Hopefully, someone has spoken to this young man about shot selection. Mistakes are those things that we hopefully survive and learn from. If this young man were to get nothing but chastisement from the hunting community how long do you think he will stick around? Your profile says you coach. If your players knew everything there was to know about your particular venue, there would be no need for you. The kid is young. Give him an opportunity to mature as a hunter/sportsman. MOOD has an opportunity to turn this into a positive with future episodes dealing with ethical shot placement.

[stebo]

Let''s start the emails going, fella's.


http://mucc.org/about/writemail.php?name=Gabe%20VanWormer&account=32


Email sent.

[Jacob Huffman]

Just like anyone that has been hunting more than a few times...everyone makes a bad call....E-mail sent..

[bentduck]

I'm sorry but I just can't buy into the argument you are making.

The kid took an absolutely awful shot but instead of someone "educating" him about the poor shot selection he was slapped on the back with an atta' boy and got the hero treatment instead. What type of hunter education or mentorship did this kid get... he should not have even been in the woods. This is my whole point. It's not about someone making a bad shot it's about someone TAKING an awful shot and then telling the viewers that it was somehow OK because in this instance, the deer was recovered.

If he would have told the story truthfuly and described what he really did, it the segment would have never aired.

I saw this big ol' "dandy" buck but it wouldn't give me a broadside or quartering shot. It was standing straight away from me and when it raised its tail I had a perfect bullseye. I just couldn't stand the thought of that big ol dandy buck walking away from me so I decided to shoot it up the wazoo and take my chances. Yep' I learned later on that they call shots like mine the ol' Texas heart shot ....

My advise to all you young hunters is this ... When in doubt, let the lead fly and you too might end up as the star of a TV show. Heck, if you don't hit it right and it runs off and dies, the yotes' will eat it up anyway..... they gotta' eat too. Yup just gid er done cuz' there aint' no such thing as a bad shot just good shots not taken.

[jeffthedj]

Wow! I cant believe this is still going strong:lol: i'm not saying its right to take that shot..but that deer he "killed" will keep him hunting the rest of his life and for someone to come on a chat board and to say he was wrong for doing what we do and that is to "kill' an animal(which is what he did) is wrong..I will go on the record and say i have killed many deer in my younger days with a "texas heart shot" and dropped them right in there tracks..now these shot where close range but still the same shot! Would I do it now ..NO! Some people make perfect shots and still lose deer..I have!..My point being maybe they should have aired this but lets not rip on one of our own because he's young!

[bentduck]

Wow! I cant believe this is still going strong:lol: i'm not saying its right to take that shot..but that deer he "killed" will keep him hunting the rest of his life and for someone to come on a chat board and to say he was wrong for doing what we do and that is to "kill' an animal(which is what he did) is wrong..I will go on the record and say i have killed many deer in my younger days with a "texas heart shot" and dropped them right in there tracks..now these shot where close range but still the same shot! Would I do it now ..NO! Some people make perfect shots and still lose deer..I have!..My point being maybe they should have aired this but lets not rip on one of our own because he's young!

I give up!

You have killed many deer in your younger days with the ASS shot (lets call it what they are) and you dropped em' right in their tracks but you won't do it anymore Hmmmm. Why not???? Seems like you found the deers "G" spot

People make "perfect shots" and lose them. "Huh"?? How can you make a "perfect shot" and lose a deer? You might want to look up the definition of "perfect" in the dictionary because that makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't know what to make of your post but you seem to be another in a long line of posters who failed to connect the dots and get the point here. MOOD should have at least told the viewers they don't advocate risky or questionable shots and they should have also pointed out the hunter in question was very lucky to have recovered the deer. That's all this is about... failure in my opinion to not only educate the young hunter but also the audience. They did neither and missed a golden opportunity to "make lemonade out of a lemon".

Being "young" is no excuse for taking irresponsible shots because that is not what we teach in hunter safety class and no "mentor" who knows anything about shot placement or a deers anatomy would ever advocate that shot. Anyhow, I certainly did not think this would be considered acceptable for any reason on this forum but apparently I was wrong (again). Anyhow, this is no longer worth the effort .. I give up!

[jeffthedj]

This is going to be my last post on this! Yes i have killed about 3 that way and the reason i dont anymore is the same reason I also pass up small bucks! Because I have grown as a hunter and try to make the right choice to what "i think" is right for me not anyone else! I have also stated that I didnt think it was the right choice but who are we to judge we were not there!...as for mood I think they did the right thing by coming on here and telling why they did it! What more do you want??:dizzy: this is nothing against you bentduck I understand your point..I just dont understand why everyone is making this kid look bad!..Now its off to cleaning my new turkey gun!:D

[bentduck]

:yeahthat: :D Sorry I got a little uptight but this subject has always been a "sore spot" with me.

[casscityalum]

"Wanted to drop in a few comments to answer some of your concerns. First off if a couple of the interviews we aired did bother many of you we do apologize, that was not our intent. We went through many of the interviews we had and thought these were lighthearted and a little funny. Looks like that was not the case. We were not endorsing or promoting that kind of hunting/shooting by airing these interviews. If we only aired the ones where everyone did everything perfectly and that everyone agreed with, we simply wouldn't air Big Buck interviews, there would be none to choose from. Long and short is this, we apologize for offending any of you, that was not our intent. If you emailed the show today, many of your emails will not be seen until monday as Gabe is on the road today. Anyway, thanks for watching and hope to bring you some more interviews next week - we will pick them a little more careful this time....:)"

-Jimmy responded on page 3.

[Blueump]

I know they are only loosely afiliated with Outdoorama anymore but I told them I am boycotting the show and MOOD TV until they issue a heartfelt apology.


They have no control over Outdoorama since Showspan Inc... took it over. The kid was using a Winchester...why not boycott that as well. And I'm sure he used hunter orange...boycott that. Trash your TV...Stop drinking water...burn down your house???? How loose do you want this boycott to be? Let's just cut all ties with society - that'll show them all!

Boy, some people just go way too far! Let them know about your disappointment then get on with life! They already issued an apology, it was in my opinion heartfelt and sincere. Get over it!

[bentduck]

I agree, and we should lay off Jimmy Houston too. Sorry to have created such a fuss....it's all good :)

[Nileshunter]

I would just like to say to all the cast of MOOD, I am very upset about this last episode that was aired this past weekend. I live in Niles, MI and I don't get to see the show till 6:30 AM on Saturday, that god for DVR but that episode just ruined my weekend!!! I have been a hunter in this great state going on 13 years this year, and I am just so worried about the youth of this state and where hunting is going to be in the future. Nothing makes me angrier then to see or hear about youth hunters being so negligent with a firearm and taking very very inappropriate shots like a TEXAS HEART SHOT on an animal. I have been in many situations hunting for deer when I was given an inappropriate shot and never thought of taking that shot to try and take that animal. I just can't believe how a father or mother can tell their son or daughter that this kind of behavior is appropriate for hunting and firearm use. I believe this also stems from the lack of accountability for the hunter safety instructors to teach these youth hunters the appropriate material and hold them accountability for it in the classroom. These mentalities of letting every child pass hunter safety so he can start spending money on hunting licenses and apparel is for the birds. By allowing other kids to see that material that was aired this past week by MOOD is opening the door to other youth hunters to be bold and try to pull off these impossible shots. I don't want this to sound like a bash of the youth hunters but WE are the future of Michigan Outdoors and it is the duty of the older Michigan hunters to take a stand and instill the ethical and morally right way to take these animals to the youths. I was just as upset with the older gentlemen if not more because he is an adult and should of never even thought about going hunting with the proper knowledge of handling a firearm and taking an animal then he did. I love MOOD and I have been watching since I was a little boy, but Gabe, Jimmy, and Kelley you gave Michigan another black eye to the sport that doesn't need anymore bad publicity by airing that tasteless episode. And that’s why I'm worried....
:sad:

[Joe Archer]

I can't believe we are still beating this dead horse!
Yes, I made it clear in my earlier post that I thought these were poor, uneducated selections of shots for harvesting deer. Yes, I am happy that I have taught my children differently. However, most of us here have our boundaries that define personal ethics. We will commonly see these boundaries crossed repeatedly on these boards. For example, I limit myself to 20 yards or less while bow hunting and quite often see people who won't hesitate at 50 yard attempts. I might openly and respectfully disagree with these choices, but to publicly lynch someone is taking it just a little to far.
In all honesty although I am not an advocate, the Texas heart shot can be very humane and efficient at putting down a deer. A lot depends on the distance and caliber being used for the shot. A well places shot of this style will travel along the aorta. Even if it does not make it into the chest, rupturing the aorta has the same effect as a direct heart or lung shot. If the shell makes it into the chest, it will most likely pass through liver, and lung and by definition; heart! Yes, the meat will be tainted but since the animal will not go far at all, a quick job at field dressing will likely salvage the ENTIRE deer. In comparison, a shot to the shoulder will waste more venison than a THS.
OK, I am playing the devils advocate but I think you can get my drift. Jimmy apologized.... Apology accepted Jimmy! Oh! And please give Kelly my best! ;)
<----<<<

[William H Bonney]

I would just like to say to all the cast of MOOD, I am very upset about this last episode that was aired this past weekend. I live in Niles, MI and I don't get to see the show till 6:30 AM on Saturday, that god for DVR but that episode just ruined my weekend!!! I have been a hunter in this great state going on 13 years this year, and I am just so worried about the youth of this state and where hunting is going to be in the future. Nothing makes me angrier then to see or hear about youth hunters being so negligent with a firearm and taking very very inappropriate shots like a TEXAS HEART SHOT on an animal. I have been in many situations hunting for deer when I was given an inappropriate shot and never thought of taking that shot to try and take that animal. I just can't believe how a father or mother can tell their son or daughter that this kind of behavior is appropriate for hunting and firearm use. I believe this also stems from the lack of accountability for the hunter safety instructors to teach these youth hunters the appropriate material and hold them accountability for it in the classroom. These mentalities of letting every child pass hunter safety so he can start spending money on hunting licenses and apparel is for the birds. By allowing other kids to see that material that was aired this past week by MOOD is opening the door to other youth hunters to be bold and try to pull off these impossible shots. I don't want this to sound like a bash of the youth hunters but WE are the future of Michigan Outdoors and it is the duty of the older Michigan hunters to take a stand and instill the ethical and morally right way to take these animals to the youths. I was just as upset with the older gentlemen if not more because he is an adult and should of never even thought about going hunting with the proper knowledge of handling a firearm and taking an animal then he did. I love MOOD and I have been watching since I was a little boy, but Gabe, Jimmy, and Kelley you gave Michigan another black eye to the sport that doesn't need anymore bad publicity by airing that tasteless episode. And that’s why I'm worried....
:sad:

I agree. It's hard to believe that a room full of editors and producers would decide to air that because they thought it was "funny". :dizzy:

Bad shots, ethic's, morals whatever,, it's all part of it,, it happens,, oh well. Just don't AIR IT ON PUBLIC TV,, because you thought it was funny. Or at least take 5 seconds and explain that that's probably not a shot you wanna be taking.

[itchn2fish]

I did cringe while viewing both of these guys tell their story. One guy was young, one was older - both were fairly new to hunting, and that's why I let it go as two inexperienced hunters that were about to get an education real quick about ethics. They both will learn to keep a cool head as time goes on.The one older guy doesn't sound like he will continue to hunt anyways. Live & let live.

[wally-eye]

Man I wish I could find that picture I had of a great big "dead horse" so I could post it......:dizzy::rant:

[cadillacjethro]

Man I wish I could find that picture I had of a great big "dead horse" so I could post it......:dizzy::rant:


Good one!!:lol:

[outdoor junkie]

Gimme a break guys. Lighten up. It's a show that maybe should have been edited a little better, and that was already stated by the host, but it's over. Now move on. That show and orginazation does alot of great things for the outdoorsman of this great state and one little slip and your ready to pull them off the air. It's a shot that probably 90% of our fathers or grandfathers have taken, and thats the truth. Have a nice day.;)

[bentduck]

Gimme a break guys. Lighten up. It's a show that maybe should have been edited a little better, and that was already stated by the host, but it's over. Now move on. That show and orginazation does alot of great things for the outdoorsman of this great state and one little slip and your ready to pull them off the air. It's a shot that probably 90% of our fathers or grandfathers have taken, and thats the truth. Have a nice day.;)

90%? Wow, I would have guessed that only 50% were slob hunters.

Anyhow not to further beat a "dead horse" but for the last time this is not about some kid taking a stupid shot.... It has always been about MOOD portraying it as some sort of worthy accomplishment.

If PETA was to air a radio commercial using the "Texas Heart Shot" as a typical scenario used by "90 %" of Michigan hunters at one time or another, this forum would launch into attack mode the likes of which would make Pearl Harbor look like a paint gun fight. If they took this kids statements and replayed them along with the "chuckles" his story induced, we would all be outraged, and rightfully so.

Again it's not about some goofy kid taking a bad shot (yup' we all have made mistakes) Instead, it's simply about MUCC of all people airing it (on Public TV no less) laughs and all. The anti-hunters already kicked our butts the last election cycle... they don't need any more help from us. :dizzy:

They simply should not have aired it because in spite of what you claim, this obviously is not a wide-spread deer hunting tactic, so why give the impression that its somehow acceptable and even laugh about it? I am assuming MOOD will address this issue during their next broadcast and I, for one, will give them the benefit of the doubt if they set the record straight to the viewers.

JMHO

[outdoor junkie]

I did not say 90% nowadays, But back a few decades ago it was a more accepted and regular event. Back when most hunters were hunting to put food on the table and not mainly for sport like many trophy hunters today. Ask around and do a little research before you start shooting down statements. I bet there are a few old timers around who if you called them a slob hunter, might just tear into you. I am not in any way saying I would take a texas heart shot, but I know my grandfather has. And he most definitly is not a slob of any kind. Back when he would haul a big army tent up and spend a nice chunk of his earnings to hunt for a week, if he only seen one deer the entire time he would take any shot given to him, he couldn't lose that amount of money and not bring something home to put on the table.:dizzy:

[Dking(MI)]

TIME OUT!! TIME OUT!!!:Modified_ WHOA, STOP!!!!

Everyone stop and breath, I think we are missing the picture here, wait no we are not!

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/Is_this.jpg

Courtesy of death_from_above
Sorry, couldnt help it.

[Fur-minator]

:yeahthat:

[jeffthedj]

sorry i could not help myself! now lets get back to what really matters...QDMA!..lol

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/Dead_Horse.jpg

[Whit1]

After six pages I think MOOD gets the message so I'll take a chance at drawing accusations of "bias" and close this down..............:yikes:......:lol:..........Humo r! All in good humor. :lol: